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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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you're also missing that the executive and the mod are effectively two separate power blocs within the rf
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Nov 10, 2022 17:33
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Vox Nihili posted:people here really believe the razor-thin half-assed cover story casus belli, it's incredibly sad This is utter bullshit, the separatists in the east are the primary drivers of russian intervention, the Kiev nazis were setting up eastern ukraine to be ethnically cleansed of russians and insufficiently ideological Ukrainians. There was a coup in 2014, and the Ukrainian civil society changed and not for the better. The Moscow regime doesn't want to know about it, because they are bandit capitalists and the only thing they care about are there bank accounts. This is going on a long time and the russian military intervention is based off of very many historical factors.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:35
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Ardennes posted:What is a non-nationalist power on this planet at the moment? BTS Army
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Nov 10, 2022 17:36
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I hold orcs responsible for what orcs do, but maybe I ought to reconsider. After all, nobody blames the dog for biting
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Nov 10, 2022 17:37
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Vox Nihili posted:theyve formally annexed the rest of the territory they've taken, you'd have to have your head up your rear end to think they wouldn't have taken Kyiv if the initial plan had worked out youre a dumbass
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Nov 10, 2022 17:37
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the USSR fought the Great Patriotic War that doesn't mean the Soviet Union was nationalist
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Nov 10, 2022 17:37
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Calibanibal posted:I hold orcs responsible for what orcs do, but maybe I ought to reconsider. After all, nobody blames the dog for biting bricking this orc, but somberly, for its own good
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Nov 10, 2022 17:38
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Conspiratiorist posted:you're also missing that the executive and the mod are effectively two separate power blocs within the rf Yeah like I said, I can see that there’s political stuff driving the poor decisions, the specifics are beyond me.    e: They should really learn from us 
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Nov 10, 2022 17:39
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i dunno if they woulda annexed all ukraine but they obviously wanted some chunks of it given that they formally annexed territory beyond lpr and dpr territory. i dont think its a stretch to say that the russians would have wanted to take more if they had the means to do so and they certainly wanted some regime change that would have made ukraine a close satellite of russia
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Nov 10, 2022 17:41
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OctaMurk posted:and they certainly wanted some regime change that would have made ukraine a close satellite of russia its this, op territorial gains are secondary because if they get friendly regime change they can get most of the benefits of claiming territory without all of the cost
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Nov 10, 2022 17:43
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OctaMurk posted:i dunno if they woulda annexed all ukraine but they obviously wanted some chunks of it given that they formally annexed territory beyond lpr and dpr territory. i dont think its a stretch to say that the russians would have wanted to take more if they had the means to do so I think they probably would have annexed some additional territory too (though likely nothing as crazy as Kiev, despite Putin's idiotic eliminationist rhetoric from the beginning of the war), but I'm not sure the annexations they actually did prove that because imo the timing of them was pretty clearly meant to be a boost to morale back home to show that the mobilization wasn't for nothing since the actual war aim of destroying the government in Kiev was well out of reach.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:45
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A version of the Doctrine Manual about Doctrine Manuals I have to work from is cleared for public release if you want to gaze into the abyss: Doctrine Development Manual   
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Nov 10, 2022 17:45
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:I think they probably would have annexed some additional territory too (though likely nothing as crazy as Kiev, despite Putin's idiotic eliminationist rhetoric from the beginning of the war), but I'm not sure the annexations they actually did prove that because imo the timing of them was pretty clearly meant to be a boost to morale back home to show that the mobilization wasn't for nothing since the actual war aim of destroying the government in Kiev was well out of reach. any annexations they might have considered are pretty minor in comparison to land route to crimea, which they have now anyways at least until they retreat and give it up
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Nov 10, 2022 17:47
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Marenghi posted:Any war which weakens the American empire is good for socialism. If it succeeds, yeah. This one sure hasn't, though.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:48
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i don’t think Russia wanted to annex territory because of it being completely meaningless like right now. Kherson is technically Russian according to them, all these analysts saying that it’ll give them an excuse to drop a bomb so far have turned out to be wrong. all it’s done is make the war even more of a farce since who knows what the Russians are even fighting for anymore
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Nov 10, 2022 17:48
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Majorian posted:If it succeeds, yeah. This one sure hasn't, though. citations needed.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:49
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I think if this ends even with international recognition of crimea as Russia that is a pretty big win
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Nov 10, 2022 17:50
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Vox Nihili posted:theyve formally annexed the rest of the territory they've taken, you'd have to have your head up your rear end to think they wouldn't have taken Kyiv if the initial plan had worked out Russia didn't have nearly enough manpower to take Kyiv, much less annex Ukraine. It kind of seems to me like you're the one with your head up your rear end if you think the long-term occupation of the capital or full annexation of the country was ever on the table.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:52
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Doktor Avalanche posted:say a prayer for all the civvies left behind, they'll need it when the azovites come
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Nov 10, 2022 17:52
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euphronius posted:I think if this ends even with international recognition of crimea as Russia that is a pretty big win watch putin abandon crimea
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Nov 10, 2022 17:52
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euphronius posted:I think if this ends even with international recognition of crimea as Russia that is a pretty big win that would be big, hard to see now how that stacks against military and economic losses though
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Nov 10, 2022 17:53
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Lostconfused posted:citations needed. Nah, not really. It's playing out before our eyes. The U.S. empire's only being strengthened by this, at least in the medium-term.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:53
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Majorian posted:Nah, not really. It's playing out before our eyes. The U.S. empire's only being strengthened by this, at least in the medium-term. How?
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Nov 10, 2022 17:54
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Lostconfused posted:How? We're probably going to have to buy HIMARS for one, which is annoying.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:55
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Majorian posted:Nah, not really. It's playing out before our eyes. The U.S. empire's only being strengthened by this, at least in the medium-term. It continues to circle the drain, they have thoroughly hosed it for short term gain, just as a neo-liberal capitalist would.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:56
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Frosted Flake posted:We're probably going to have to buy HIMARS for one, which is annoying. Yeah but that's just impoverishing the Empire's periphery by sucking more resources into the core. Semiperiphery in the case of Canada. You're extracting from what is already in your empire, I don't see how that strengthens the empire itself. \/ \/ \/ Same response to that \/ \/ \/ If the war showed us anything is that Europe was already defacto periphery of the US empire, and is now being drained dry to feed the core. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 17:59 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 17:56
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Lostconfused posted:How? Europe's going to be increasingly dependent on the U.S. for energy and weapons. Lostconfused posted:Yeah but that's just impoverishing the Empire's periphery by sucking more resources into the core. Semiperiphery in the case of Canada. Remember how a few years ago there was talk about Europe becoming its own pole in an increasingly multipolar world, with interests that diverged from that of the U.S.? You're not going to be hearing much of that anymore.
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Nov 10, 2022 17:58
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Majorian posted:Nah, not really. It's playing out before our eyes. The U.S. empire's only being strengthened by this, at least in the medium-term. i would disagree here, we are fighting to stay at the top but our biggest weapon, which was economic sanctions, don’t work on developed, export rich nations. other countries now see this and some countries, especially India and Turkey, are pursuing diplomatic and economic paths independent of what Washington wants. the rhetoric against india from the early days of the war which was pure hostility to now which is more more conciliatory, and how we’ve embraced leftists like Lula in Latin America is showing that we’re recognizing our lost influence Europe is locked in, but even there, Germany and France are not happy about it
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Nov 10, 2022 18:01
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Majorian posted:Remember how a few years ago there was talk about Europe becoming its own pole in an increasingly multipolar world, with interests that diverged from that of the U.S.? You're not going to be hearing much of that anymore.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:01
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one might argue that the conflict has "helped" the US by driving more countries (back) into its arms that were otherwise shaky on the imperial periphery, while also emboldening its imperial architects by demonstrating that the eagle still has sharp claws others might argue that the conflict has accelerated America's decline as a global hegemon by having the US loudly demonstrate to the world how much contempt it will treat you if you step out of line (assuming they didn't already know this), by triggering economic rifts and recessions that further weaken Western capitalism, and by a sanctions regime that has driven some countries either into the arms of BRICS in general or China specifically
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Nov 10, 2022 18:02
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Lostconfused posted:How? america has europe so fuckin whipped that according to some people in this thread, the americans blew up germany's gas pipelines and destroyed the european economy yet the europeans are still being america's bitches instead of seeking a separate agreement with russia if america actually blew up the pipelines then they've just completely cemented control over europe in a way that wasnt possible before, while also militarizing the societies of the european nato members
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Nov 10, 2022 18:04
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dk2m posted:i would disagree here, we are fighting to stay at the top but our biggest weapon, which was economic sanctions, don’t work on developed, export rich nations. other countries now see this and some countries, especially India and Turkey, are pursuing diplomatic and economic paths independent of what Washington wants. I think this war has shown that our biggest weapon isn't economic sanctions, it's weapons exports. India's already been pursuing a diplomatic and economic path that diverges with the U.S.' for decades; that's nothing new. They were never in the West's orbit (at least since 1947, of course). Turkey is increasingly charting its own path, true, but Erdogan knows it's still to his advantage to ultimately side with NATO when the chips are down. He would much rather continue to play the potential Joe Manchin-esque spoiler inside NATO than just be another regional power outside of it. France and Germany aren't thrilled about it, but that has more to do with energy prices than it does being under the U.S.' strategic yoke at this point. Their populations want the war to end, but they're still gonna be scared of Russia for the foreseeable future. They'll want the U.S.' continued "protection." Lostconfused posted:Obviously that didn't matter since the Europeans are willingly letting themselves get looted at first notice. I don't think they would have been as willing before the war started and Russia provided the U.S. with the perfect bogeyman. Majorian has issued a correction as of 18:08 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 18:05
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gradenko_2000 posted:the USSR fought the Great Patriotic War Also, in Russian the word patriotic comes from the same root as father and it also be referred to as a “fatherland/homeland war.” It is one of those many cases where Russian/English don’t match up 100%. (I don’t want to comment on Ukrainian because I don’t know enough of it.)
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Nov 10, 2022 18:07
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Ardennes posted:Also, in Russian the word patriotic comes from the same root as father and it also be referred to as a “fatherland/homeland war.” It is one of those many cases where Russian/English don’t match up 100%. I mean, "patriotic" also comes from the same root for "father" in English: pater in Latin. (which itself has its own proto-Indo-European roots)
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Nov 10, 2022 18:09
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Besides that I think even you suggested that the EU itself is less united than before. What it clarified is that western europe is clearly part of the US empire but the other countries, including nato members, are now free to pursue their own regional ambitions. Which will come at the cost to other nations that are supposedly all eager members of this empire.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:12
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Majorian posted:I mean, "patriotic" also comes from the same root for "father" in English: pater in Latin. (which itself has its own proto-Indo-European roots) I would say the context in Russian is more recent than Latin to English though. You could easily just translate it straight off as the Great Fatherland War. It isn’t the same context as present day English which is very much rooted in the nation state, it is why it is a little bit tricky. Honestly, I think I want to see how much EU unity stands up on a time horizon though, it has been months and already there are crack and fatigue showing. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 18:20 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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Nov 10, 2022 18:13
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Ardennes posted:Also, in Russian the word patriotic comes from the same root as father and it also be referred to as a “fatherland/homeland war.” It is one of those many cases where Russian/English don’t match up 100%. It's the same in Ukrainian right now with "batko" and "batkivshchyna"
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Nov 10, 2022 18:14
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So far the only resources that the empire extracted in this war are what Ukraine had to offer, labour, raw material, and whatever financial wealth that can still be extracted from it.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:19
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Lostconfused posted:Besides that I think even you suggested that the EU itself is less united than before. The EU and NATO will certainly be less united than before, that's true - but their member-states will be no less dependent on the U.S. than they currently are. NATO will remain as a deterrent against any direct military action against its member-states, but it's not going to be able to take any unified proactive action for the foreseeable future. Instead, as we're seeing, member-states are increasingly just going to go directly to the U.S. for their defense and energy needs. It will be even more of a U.S. empire than before. I take no joy in saying this, but if one of the points of this war was to weaken the American Empire, it has backfired spectacularly.
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Nov 10, 2022 18:23
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