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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

ymgve posted:

is this alameda research just bankman-fried in a big coat?

I don't think there is even a coat.

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Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


happyhippy posted:

All the crypto dudes believed a guy just because he has a double barrelled name and one of them had 'bank' in it.

The boom mic, so professional

aw frig aw dang it
Jun 1, 2018


kw0134 posted:

Oh, we're in the wildcat banking stage of reinventing finance capitalism and have entered the Panic of 1837 era of "why we don't do this poo poo."

it owns so hard lol

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002


i just want to do a little math with the numbers from this article

ftx had $16 billion of "customer funds" (and, thus, $16b of customer liabilities)
it sent $10 billion to alameda and got, well, some chuck-e-cheese tokens
it then had $5 billion of customer withdrawals

what does that mean about how turbo-hosed anyone whose withdrawals were not processed/didn't get one sent in time

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


kw0134 posted:

Oh, we're in the wildcat banking stage of reinventing finance capitalism and have entered the Panic of 1837 era of "why we don't do this poo poo."

The Steely Dan effect

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

hotdog feet posted:

went to bed with some filthy fiat money in my wallet and it's still in there today, nice

but does that dirty fiat money look like a bored ape?

Also what was the point of tether?

CSM
Jan 29, 2014

56th Motorized Infantry 'Mariupol' Brigade
Seh' die Welt in Trummern liegen
The best thing about this Twitter thread is when he pretends Alameda Research is a different person:

https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1590709189370081280?s=20&t=sC1mysSaU1Xqpw5cjzBdCg

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

CSM posted:

The best thing about this Twitter thread is when he pretends Alameda Research is a different person:

https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1590709189370081280?s=20&t=sC1mysSaU1Xqpw5cjzBdCg

https://twitter.com/netcapgirl/status/1590431481385857024

Cowcaster
Aug 7, 2002



happyhippy posted:

All the crypto dudes believed a guy just because he has a double barrelled name and one of them had 'bank' in it.

it's incredible, why would you trust a fried man about a bank?

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
I look at these tweets and I don't even know if this is the real SBF or some impersonator that bought a blue check for $8 because I have no clue what his twitter handle was nor do I care to find out. That's the end of my twitter rant

NorgLyle
Sep 20, 2002

Do you think I posted to this forum because I value your companionship?

Big Burke from Aliens energy.


https://youtu.be/v59yQPlU3QU

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

Paladinus posted:

If you're an investor, only give money to support mains. Like me.

Support mains are the subs of the gaming world.

WalletBeef
Jun 11, 2005


Such a punchable face.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

evilweasel posted:

i just want to do a little math with the numbers from this article

ftx had $16 billion of "customer funds" (and, thus, $16b of customer liabilities)
it sent $10 billion to alameda and got, well, some chuck-e-cheese tokens
it then had $5 billion of customer withdrawals

what does that mean about how turbo-hosed anyone whose withdrawals were not processed/didn't get one sent in time

I mean, a major venture capital firm wrote down an almost quarter billion dollar stake in FTX to zero. Not re-selling it for pennies on the dollar, not holding onto it so they don't have to realize the loss right now, not hunkering down while they throw money at lawyers to try and get loving SOMETHING back on that, just wrote that fucker off like it was a totaled 1990 Camry.

That should tell you everything you need to know.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Cyrano4747 posted:

I mean, a major venture capital firm wrote down an almost quarter billion dollar stake in FTX to zero. Not re-selling it for pennies on the dollar, not holding onto it so they don't have to realize the loss right now, not hunkering down while they throw money at lawyers to try and get loving SOMETHING back on that, just wrote that fucker off like it was a totaled 1990 Camry.

That should tell you everything you need to know.

This isn't sailors needing to get worried when they see the rats swimming for shore, this is watching rat-Noah march the cockroaches onto a tiny ark two by two while flipping your captain the bird.

gregday
May 23, 2003

https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/status/1590746721860321282

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

We really are gonna see a whole generation of people who tweeted themselves into long prison sentences.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Neito posted:

Support mains are the subs of the gaming world.

So?

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

smellmycheese posted:

Sowing / Reaping .tweet





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVFUgYfLhZI

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person


https://twitter.com/RMFifthCircuit/status/1590750774119657481?t=25LF1xBYoP2-5npMtTfS6g&s=19

Amazing.

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






lol are there people still out there who think going to law school means someone is automatically smart or capable of critical thinking

halokiller
Dec 28, 2008

Sisters Are Doin' It For Themselves


clearly the warren buffett of crypto

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






halokiller posted:

clearly the warren buffett of crypto

he's the golden corral buffet of crypto

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

haljordan posted:

he's the golden corral buffet of crypto

That's not accurate at all.

A golden corral buffet can at least feed a family of 4.

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






Cyrano4747 posted:

That's not accurate at all.

A golden corral buffet can at least feed a family of 4.

lmao

aw frig aw dang it
Jun 1, 2018


Cyrano4747 posted:

That's not accurate at all.

A golden corral buffet can at least feed a family of 4.

lol gently caress

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Cyrano4747 posted:

That's not accurate at all.

A golden corral buffet can at least feed a family of 4.

dear god, man, he's already dead

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011


Literally every cryptodude has a spiel on how banks are bad because fractional reserve banking is a scam, then they throw their money into cryptobanks that do fractional reserve banking but ten million times riskier

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009



I'm going to go back and read this and start giggling every few hours.


--


So my understanding of this whole system is:

-Russian, Iranian, and North Korean government entities create shitcoin and astroturf interest in them
-legitimate institutional investors like pension funds invest millions into crypto exchanges meant to grow the business
-These crypto exchanges instead use the money to pump shitcoins to draw "mom and pop" investors into the hype to make money off of transaction fees
-Rugpulls, hacks, etc
-Sanctioned entitites now have funds outside of their country to use for clandestine operations.
-Institutional, individual investors, and exchanges now have nothing

Also, Tuesday's NOVA was on crypto. I'm watching it now, i expect laughs in hindsight considering FTX comes up a lot in the opener.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/crypto-decoded/

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

loving LOL. it all makes so much sense now. I hope he gets real jail time.

RocketMermaid
Mar 30, 2004

My pronouns are She/Heir.


Cyrano4747 posted:

That's not accurate at all.

A golden corral buffet can at least feed a family of 4.

:vince:

drk
Jan 16, 2005
If anyone is curious about the relationship between SBF, FTX, and Alameda, FT posted this chart to help explain



simple, really

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Cyrano4747 posted:

I mean, a major venture capital firm wrote down an almost quarter billion dollar stake in FTX to zero. Not re-selling it for pennies on the dollar, not holding onto it so they don't have to realize the loss right now, not hunkering down while they throw money at lawyers to try and get loving SOMETHING back on that, just wrote that fucker off like it was a totaled 1990 Camry.

That should tell you everything you need to know.

no that just tells me creditors are impaired (so equity gets nothing)

the math above says if depositors are lucky they get 37% but probably sub-9%

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002


yeah I don't know what fiduciary duties Antigua imposes on a ceo but this tweet thread is an open and shut case of violating us fiduciary duties

not that you really need it since "well I sent all the money to my wholly-owned hedge fund and gave back some magic beans" is too

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

"US customers are completely okay" sounds unlikely

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Powershift posted:

I'm going to go back and read this and start giggling every few hours.


--


So my understanding of this whole system is:

-Russian, Iranian, and North Korean government entities create shitcoin and astroturf interest in them
-legitimate institutional investors like pension funds invest millions into crypto exchanges meant to grow the business
-These crypto exchanges instead use the money to pump shitcoins to draw "mom and pop" investors into the hype to make money off of transaction fees
-Rugpulls, hacks, etc
-Sanctioned entitites now have funds outside of their country to use for clandestine operations.
-Institutional, individual investors, and exchanges now have nothing

Also, Tuesday's NOVA was on crypto. I'm watching it now, i expect laughs in hindsight considering FTX comes up a lot in the opener.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/crypto-decoded/

Yes, and a bunch of clueless techbros who love being out front that will faceroll any problem or red flag they can't just ignore, because it's now their safe social community and the arrogance of money sinks in deep fast and hard

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Chromatics posted:

"US customers are completely okay" sounds unlikely

according to a leaked org chart the us entity and the foreign entity are unrelated entities, the foreign one doesn't own the us one

also of note: the same org chart says alameda is entirely independent of both. lol.

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!
US entity is separate but is also run by crypto idiots who gamble customer funds into various proprietary token shitcoins.

All of these people run their company like a regular bank making 3-4% interest or whatever for a few months or a year, get bored because that's lame, and then gamba everything to get MOON LEVEL returns.

Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Nov 10, 2022

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


*names both entities in suit*

"N...NO! How could they nail us like this?!"

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haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






Waffle House posted:

*names both entities in suit*

"N...NO! How could they nail us like this?!"

*george bluth sr voice*

"they can't charge the same two entities with the same crime"

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