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So is that blue thing a shard of her girlfriend or not
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seems like allison's dissatisfied with her oculus grift
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Nov 11, 2022 18:09
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Tenebrais posted:She lost a leg too. Ok cool but why remove the eye. That eye looks like it actually works it has connectors and stuff.
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Nov 11, 2022 18:36
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Mindblast posted:Ok cool but why remove the eye. That eye looks like it actually works it has connectors and stuff. the artificial eye and arm are symbolic of allison pretending like cio dying never happened and/or actively choosing to avoid internalizing that fact, and retroactively justifying her inaction. her choice to destroy them is not a practical consideration, but one of metaphorical intent. "symbols" are things authors use sometimes to convey meanings that are not exclusively literal. Cowcaster fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Nov 11, 2022 |
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Nov 11, 2022 18:41
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allison has just finished her "Heroic BSOD" and now is experiencing her "Epiphany Therapy" and will soon be "Putting the Gang Back Together" with white chain to unlock her "11th Hour Superpower" to go "Beyond the Impossible" in breaking the wheel
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Nov 11, 2022 18:50
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Nov 11, 2022 18:54
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Nov 11, 2022 19:05
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Cowcaster posted:allison has just finished her "Heroic BSOD" and now is experiencing her "Epiphany Therapy" and will soon be "Putting the Gang Back Together" with white chain to unlock her "11th Hour Superpower" to go "Beyond the Impossible" in breaking the wheel I'm gonna march on TVTropes like the villagers in Beauty & the Beast
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Nov 11, 2022 20:01
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Mr. Baps posted:I'm gonna march on TVTropes like the villagers in Beauty & the Beast You mean "Torches and Pitchforks" against a "Monster with a Heart of Gold" after "Malicious Slander" by a "Rabble Rouser" Tvtropes delenda est
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Nov 11, 2022 20:14
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Kill Six Billion TVTropes Pages
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Nov 11, 2022 20:24
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Thundarr posted:Kill Six Billion TVTropes Pages Maybe we can get Elon to buy tvtropes too
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Nov 11, 2022 20:26
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So did Zaid just like, instantly convince her and if he stuck around for like a minute longer wouldve Ubered her out on his sword
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Nov 11, 2022 20:30
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Buschmaki posted:So did Zaid just like, instantly convince her and if he stuck around for like a minute longer wouldve Ubered her out on his sword Honestly if he were there he might have tried to stop Allison from maiming herself.
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Nov 11, 2022 20:33
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Buschmaki posted:So did Zaid just like, instantly convince her and if he stuck around for like a minute longer wouldve Ubered her out on his sword I think it was the mask shard that she found in her arm that was the final straw. Also the fact that despite her best efforts, she's still been suffering this entire time despite her best efforts to choose non-suffering. Because try as she might, she's not over Cio's death at all. Zaid just gave her a tiny push, but it's likely she came to that conclusion on her own.
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Nov 11, 2022 20:37
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Cowcaster posted:the artificial eye and arm are symbolic of allison pretending like cio dying never happened and/or actively choosing to avoid internalizing that fact, and retroactively justifying her inaction. her choice to destroy them is not a practical consideration, but one of metaphorical intent. "symbols" are things authors use sometimes to convey meanings that are not exclusively literal. It works on multiple levels, because up until the reveal that her arm and eye were replacement parts, the reader could still be somewhat assured with a belief that this was all an extremely elaborate dream sequence. The thing Operant told us we wouldn't like at the end of the book wasn't Cio being destroyed, but the realization that it actually happened and she's been gone for years at this point.
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Nov 11, 2022 21:11
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wait are we sure the thing Operant thought we'd be upset about has already happened yet
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Nov 11, 2022 21:31
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sure a lot of people died and all,
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i don’t know enough about art in the technical sense to identify specifics but something about the composition of this update has me over the moon about it. just feels like a really good union of content and composition.
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Nov 11, 2022 21:39
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didn't Allison say two pages back that the arm that was hurting wasn't the one she lost, yet it's a robo arm? did I miss a thing
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Nov 11, 2022 21:47
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Pyrus Malus posted:didn't Allison say two pages back that the arm that was hurting wasn't the one she lost, yet it's a robo arm? did I miss a thing The one that was hurting was the real one, which she pulled Cio's mask shard out of. THEN she used it to rip the fake skin off the robo arm.
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Nov 11, 2022 21:56
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Schwarzwald posted:wait are we sure the thing Operant thought we'd be upset about has already happened yet That was Cio's death.
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Cowcaster posted:allison has just finished her "Heroic BSOD" and now is experiencing her "Epiphany Therapy" and will soon be "Putting the Gang Back Together" with white chain to unlock her "11th Hour Superpower" to go "Beyond the Impossible" in breaking the wheel Arguably, Allison is probably the youngest of which who suffers from this Trope. This is practically the invisible label that's under the invisible Berserk Button of this key wielding philosophy major. She broke 33 wheels in her life, and had a good friend break two of those wheels because they were too hard. She even yelled at someone because that guy was the third person who asked if he could be punched for the third time, with Jagganoth only a mile ahead!
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Nov 11, 2022 22:02
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pretty sure the robo arm can still feel pain, too. this was not a painless decision.
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Nov 11, 2022 22:03
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I like the usage of the word DOOM as a sound effect for her. It not only evokes a specific feeling sound, but also fits really well with the traditional usage of the word. As I understand it, there wasn't originally any specifically negative connotation to the word, it just meant something close to fate. A doom falling upon you doesn't mean you are screwed, it more means that fate has something specific in store for you and you are now on that path. It's a minor detail, but it works really well here and I suspect it is fully intentional. Now, this is SA, so we probably have some etymology nerd that wrote their doctoral thesis on old English stuff. Feel free to correct me in my understanding of the word!
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Nov 11, 2022 23:44
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The absolute beauty of using the mask shard for it. It's often said that the hardest part of therapy is that it requires being vulnerable and honest with yourself. You're eviscerating yourself in a way. Just ripping all your walls down, every coping mechanism, to build yourself back up. It gets worse before it gets better. It's work! Hard work! It's something that doesn't happen passively. But it's also worth it. Like, this is a symbol of everything she's been avoiding facing head-on, a symbol of grief and loss, literally getting under her skin. The symbolism of it hurting, but trying to ignore it. It's exactly what you go through in therapy. The guilt, the trauma, buried under your skin, embedded so deep inside you, and you know on some level it's there, but you're so afraid to look at it directly. To really feel the full spectrum of your grief and misery and cope with what it means to you, to try to find a new meaning to life now that these things have happened to you, to destroy what little you feel like you've gained. You're so afraid to be in pain again. You're so afraid to let go of the false coping, even if it's a facade that's hurting you worse. You don't want to destroy the proverbial breakfast. And then finally opening the wound and using that crystallized grief and loss to literally eviscerate the barriers and faulty coping mechanisms she's built up around herself to avoid looking at what she's lost. One eye is gone, but the other eye is wide open. I instinctively, immediately understood this page completely when I saw it because as a traumatized person it's just an absolute masterpiece of a metaphor. (Jadis, of course, already knows all of this is going to happen, and has dressed in mourning garb as a result.) Thank you so much, Operant. (especially thanks for the extremely tasteful eye removal as someone who hates eye gore) Tiny Myers fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Nov 11, 2022 |
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Schwarzwald posted:wait are we sure the thing Operant thought we'd be upset about has already happened yet It was Zaid's sweet 90s entrance and exit
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I still think it's a bad idea to throw away a perfectly good eye prosthesis
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Mr. Lobe posted:I still think it's a bad idea to throw away a perfectly good eye prosthesis Now she has a convenient spot to store the shard if she ever needs it again!
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Mr. Lobe posted:I still think it's a bad idea to throw away a perfectly good eye prosthesis anyone else care what this non-royalty guy thinks?
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Cowcaster posted:anyone else care what this non-royalty guy thinks? I'm fine being a peasant if it means having depth perception
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Tiny Myers posted:The absolute beauty of using the mask shard for it. Quality analysis, thank you. 
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Guildenstern Mother posted:It was Zaid's sweet 90s entrance and exit He remains a huge drok
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shirts and skins posted:Maybe we can get Elon to buy tvtropes too Elon buying things fits a trope. It's metareferential, the best sort of reference. Nerds will eternally seek to document and define every possible nuance in existence
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All things considered Cio continuing to influence the story years after her death in plot would also be a big difference from how dead girlfriends usually disappear from the story once they can't have dialog.
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Tiny Myers posted:The absolute beauty of using the mask shard for it. Yeah this is the good stuff.
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Cowcaster posted:the artificial eye and arm are symbolic of allison pretending like cio dying never happened and/or actively choosing to avoid internalizing that fact, and retroactively justifying her inaction. her choice to destroy them is not a practical consideration, but one of metaphorical intent. "symbols" are things authors use sometimes to convey meanings that are not exclusively literal. Well yeah but it looks like she's keeping the arm just with no fake flesh, not really destroying it. I guess she can't make the eye look fake.
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Tenebrais posted:She lost a leg too. It's a very difficult and fine line to walk, here, because on the surface level we have someone suffering deep depression choosing to engage in self-harm and slicing her arm up as part of an action to feel again. Obviously there's a much deeper reading than that! But... caution is warranted in the depiction. On the other hand very badass page.
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Yeah, as another deeply traumatized person, this doesn't read as self harm for its own sake so much as doing whatever it takes to take ownership of your trauma and your body. The resignation of the past few pages has been painful to watch, and seeing her finally push through and show determination like this reads as a pure expression of triumph. In our world, seeing someone tear their arm off because they think there's a prosthetic underneath and they want to be honest about it would be mortifying. This setting has different rules and expectations, that can be a perfectly rational thought to have.
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