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Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
I actually liked the first season of the OA (people thought the twist was too silly but if anything playing something that silly 100% straight is a real big dick move on Brit Marling's part) but my SO had no interest in S2 so I was content to just pretend it was a one and done miniseries and frankly its stronger for it

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PlushCow
Oct 19, 2005

The cow eats the grass

Wolfsheim posted:

I actually liked the first season of the OA (people thought the twist was too silly but if anything playing something that silly 100% straight is a real big dick move on Brit Marling's part) but my SO had no interest in S2 so I was content to just pretend it was a one and done miniseries and frankly its stronger for it

The tease at the end of the second season setting up the third was insane and I would've loved to have seen it.

Martman
Nov 20, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
The OA creators claimed to have a 5 season plan too, which is pretty hard to imagine

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

stop. don’t make me watch the oa season 2. nooooooo *reaches for apple tv remote*

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Oh man oh man I loving loved The OA. I love the way it played the silly twist -- if the twist you're thinking about is the same one I'm thinking about -- completely straight; it's a great subversive choice and a clever way to end the first season.

The second season was great too, though I think it might have been slightly lesser. That cut to the opening credits, during the first season, was so sudden and strange it brought me to actual tears the first time I saw it, I can't explain why, and the second season doesn't have anything near that level. (But very little does tbh.)

They've got a new show coming, I think it's been completely filmed and has a killer cast, but it seems to be wrapped up in whatever is going on over at Paramount so who knows when it'll actually air.

Papercut posted:

You're the sad guy on the dark side of the bus obsessing about the particulars of global capitalism as it relates to art, and the rest of us are happily on the sunny side of the bus enjoying the shows that are good.

FWIW, I'm both of these people, and I think it's possible to be both someone who enjoys a show like Andor -- that's me -- and someone who'd like to talk about wider trends in pop culture through a critical lens -- that's also me.

I also think that Black Lighter really was trying to engage with good faith and wasn't here to dunk on people or their opinions, but then the situation escalated and that possibility went out the window. But, honestly, I think it's time to drop this and move on.

Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Nov 10, 2022

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Okay, Prime is telling me that there's a third Fletch movie, starring Jon Hamm, and I'm like... well in theory that should be fine, but also, I've never heard of it so it prolly sucks

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

precision posted:

Okay, Prime is telling me that there's a third Fletch movie, starring Jon Hamm, and I'm like... well in theory that should be fine, but also, I've never heard of it so it prolly sucks

It’s actually pretty funny. Hamm is great in it.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Open Source Idiom posted:


I also think that Black Lighter really was trying to engage with good faith and wasn't here to dunk on people or their opinions, but then the situation escalated and that possibility went out the window. But, honestly, I think it's time to drop this and move on.

I thought so too and initially engaged in good faith. Regardless of the fact that she hadn't seen the show - or really any Star Wars lately - and was attempting to pass off some film school 101 critique.

Star Wars, regardless of the tone of the OG trilogy, has made a decades long impact on the cultural zeitgeist and has expanded its reach across tons of mediums and properties/shows and, therefore, different audiences/tones/etc.

I don't even particularly *like* most Star Wars stuff. Literally I find the majority of it not really good. But you can't attempt to reduce it down to a single thesis based on some campiness of the 70s/early 80s movies. That just doesn't hold up under even the lightest of scrutiny.

Then....

Black Lighter posted:

Enjoy your baby food, I guess?

... this happened. The mask was completely off and it became immediately clear this was some 20-something with a flimsy and infantile sense of film history that was just trying to dress up a "me no like" hot take in some sort of pseudo intellectual discourse.

That's not good faith.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

precision posted:

Okay, Prime is telling me that there's a third Fletch movie, starring Jon Hamm, and I'm like... well in theory that should be fine, but also, I've never heard of it so it prolly sucks

I really enjoyed it. FWIW it's supposed to be more accurate to the book portrayal of him than Chevy was.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008

BonoMan posted:

The mask was completely off and it became immediately clear this was some 20-something with a flimsy and infantile sense of film history that was just trying to dress up a "me no like" hot take in some sort of pseudo intellectual discourse.

That's not good faith.

“Big-budget IPs like Star Wars and Marvel have taken over everything and there is not as much room for original or more realistic works to get made” and “we should have matured beyond using metaphors to talk about real world things by now” are two wildly different arguments. One is certainly a good faith argument, the other is… well, I guess it could still be good faith, it’s just also extremely stupid. That poster’s whole problem is that when anyone criticized their second argument, they acted like it was actually their first argument being criticized, even though those were two completely different things.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

precision posted:

Okay, Prime is telling me that there's a third Fletch movie, starring Jon Hamm, and I'm like... well in theory that should be fine, but also, I've never heard of it so it prolly sucks

I've never seen a Fletch movie, and I legit laughed more at that movie than I've laughed at a comedy in a long time.

mystes
May 31, 2006

I really liked the second season of the OA but I feel like the way the first season ended, the show had a fundamental problem where people who liked the ending of the first season probably wouldn't like the second season and vice versa which probably hurt the number of people who watched the second season a lot

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
Google is telling me that Andor Season 2 could drop in 2023 and that better be loving true.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

mcmagic posted:

Google is telling me that Andor Season 2 could drop in 2023 and that better be loving true.

Gilroy said not to expect it before 2024, so unless they speed up production because of the overwhelming response to this season I can’t see 2023 happening.

Today’s episode was just incredible.

Upsidads
Jan 11, 2007
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates


This episode indeed fuckin ruled
I love a Empire that makes sense and thus a rebellion that does

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
I watched X on prime finally and ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

It's fine. But absolutely nowhere near as interesting as it thinks it is

Crows Turn Off
Jan 7, 2008


precision posted:

I watched X on prime finally and ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

It's fine. But absolutely nowhere near as interesting as it thinks it is
I like that Goth played the young lady and the old woman.

The prequel Pearl just came out, with Goth reprising her role as the old woman as a young lady. Far less of a horror movie, more of a drama than anything, but Goth does a good job.

Crows Turn Off fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Nov 10, 2022

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

mcmagic posted:

Google is telling me that Andor Season 2 could drop in 2023 and that better be loving true.

They're starting filming in November and they're going to film for about 9 months and then have a year of post production. Its not dropping in 2023. Andor is not some baby obi-wan poo poo that films on the volume over the course of 6 weeks. Its an actual production!!

snoot
Jun 8, 2006

danger lurks everywhere

precision posted:

I watched X on prime finally and ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

It's fine. But absolutely nowhere near as interesting as it thinks it is

I liked X and appreciated what it was going for with the title and subverting some genre cliches. Didn't realise the 'casting' thing until afterwards, and wasn't really sure what the accident with the cow was supposed to foreshadow/mean. Some blood on a headlight was the only callback.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

snoot posted:

I liked X and appreciated what it was going for with the title and subverting some genre cliches. Didn't realise the 'casting' thing until afterwards, and wasn't really sure what the accident with the cow was supposed to foreshadow/mean. Some blood on a headlight was the only callback.

I mean, the movie is kinda bookended by that scene and the scene at the end where Maxine runs over Pearl's head and splats it, so I guess that's something? :shrug:

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


Nihonniboku posted:

Deadite posted:

Is there anything on Apple TV I should check out? I have a few months free but it doesn't look like there's a ton of content.

I watched Severance (which was great) and I just started For All Mankind
For All Mankind is fantastic.
The Morning Show is good if you like the actors, but the themes and messaging are a little heavy handed.
See has great worldbuilding, but is otherwise kind of stupid.
Servant is a fun Shyamalan thriller at first, but just begins treading water and nothing really happens after a while
Foundation is incredibly ambitious, but only the story with the emperor is actually interesting
Mythic Quest is likable, but doesn't really have many laugh out loud moments. The best episodes are the serious dramatic ones.
Ted Lasso season 1 deserves all the hype it got. Season 2 not so much.
Bad Sisters is Sharon Horgan's followup to Catastrophe about a group of sisters who plot to murder their rear end in a top hat brother-in-law. Not as funny as Catastrophe
Central Park is the exact same show as Bob's Burgers and The Great North, but with more music, if those are your jam.
Watch the Sound with Mark Ronson is a fascinating docuseries about music production.

Edit: Prehistoric Planet is a nature documentary with CG dinosaurs from the creators of Planet Earth

To add to this—which I'd basically agree with in regards to the shows I've seen—if you like espionage thrillers, Slow Horses is pretty good. It's about a group of MI5 agents assigned to "Slough House," a posting for incompetents who have disgraced themselves but aren't quite fireable, who get wrapped up in an actual investigation for the first time in years.

Keyser_Soze
May 5, 2009

Pillbug
they had to spend hours per day making Gary Oldman so gross and smelly

Grandpa Palpatine
Dec 13, 2019

by vyelkin
For All Mankind is great for about two seasons, but after that it sacrifices realism / legitimacy for entertainment.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Okay so with Andor there’s clearly been a miscommunication because I’m only a couple of episodes in, I’m sure things get much more intense, but like, this ain’t far off from what I recognize as Star Wars either. Sure the first scene has the protagonist straight up executing someone, but there’s still alien varmints pissing on droids and a lot of low key humor with human/alien interactions. It’s not like a deconstruction or anything, it’s just darker and more sedate than usual. Hell it’s more colorful than most of Disney’s Star Wars just through the costume and set design using a lot of reds and greens and yellows.

Like it is a change of pace but there’s a sense to which the “this ain’t your daddy’s Star Wars” is overstated. So far my only complaint is the flashbacks have no subtitles- like this is Andor’s past, HE knows what everyone’s saying, so why withhold that from the audience? Can’t be for naturalism’s sake when they have the “floating text to represent someone reading a screen” bit elsewhere.

Also not seeing any BR2049 parallels beyond maybe the first couple scenes, like both BR movies are themed around mortality and what it means to be human in a world that devalues humanity, so far this is more about forms of oppression and imperialism both soft and hard.

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

Barry Lyndon is on HBO Max. The second half is colossal in scale, filmed in actual palaces and castles. It's wonderful for watching the portraits and furniture and enormous bookshelves float through the background, which is good because it's also terribly boring for the most part.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
I wouldn't say I found it boring, but it is quite long and perhaps drags in some parts. Gave it a rewatch on HBO recently. Now I just gotta get around to watching The Duellists.

Tainen
Jan 23, 2004
Watched Run Sweetheart Run on prime and quite enjoyed it. Its a horror/suspense in the “woman has to survive the night while being hunted” genre that gets more and more ridiculous as the movie goes on. Fun watch that is on the upper tier of Blumhouse movies imo.

Tainen fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Nov 11, 2022

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Punkin Spunkin posted:

I wouldn't say I found it boring, but it is quite long and perhaps drags in some parts. Gave it a rewatch on HBO recently. Now I just gotta get around to watching The Duellists.

It didn’t click for me until the quote at the end, which really hits home that this guy wasted everything he had chasing something that didn’t matter in the end.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q33TkQKlIMg

drat. Had been hoping this was just going to be hours of expensive space and atomic-level CGI porn. I guess it's mostly about animals.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Papercut posted:

Lol my one complaint about Andor was that it ended on a total cliffhanger, I have only now discovered that the season wasn't over

The thing about Andor it feels like it's already had three season finale lmao

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."
I think mythic quest comes back today, haven't had time to check yet.

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006


Maxwell Lord posted:

Okay so with Andor there’s clearly been a miscommunication because I’m only a couple of episodes in, I’m sure things get much more intense, but like, this ain’t far off from what I recognize as Star Wars either. Sure the first scene has the protagonist straight up executing someone, but there’s still alien varmints pissing on droids and a lot of low key humor with human/alien interactions. It’s not like a deconstruction or anything, it’s just darker and more sedate than usual. Hell it’s more colorful than most of Disney’s Star Wars just through the costume and set design using a lot of reds and greens and yellows.

Like it is a change of pace but there’s a sense to which the “this ain’t your daddy’s Star Wars” is overstated. So far my only complaint is the flashbacks have no subtitles- like this is Andor’s past, HE knows what everyone’s saying, so why withhold that from the audience? Can’t be for naturalism’s sake when they have the “floating text to represent someone reading a screen” bit elsewhere.

Also not seeing any BR2049 parallels beyond maybe the first couple scenes, like both BR movies are themed around mortality and what it means to be human in a world that devalues humanity, so far this is more about forms of oppression and imperialism both soft and hard.

Once they leave the first planet that is when things really start feeling different.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Maxwell Lord posted:

Okay so with Andor there’s clearly been a miscommunication because I’m only a couple of episodes in, I’m sure things get much more intense, but like, this ain’t far off from what I recognize as Star Wars either. Sure the first scene has the protagonist straight up executing someone, but there’s still alien varmints pissing on droids and a lot of low key humor with human/alien interactions. It’s not like a deconstruction or anything, it’s just darker and more sedate than usual. Hell it’s more colorful than most of Disney’s Star Wars just through the costume and set design using a lot of reds and greens and yellows.

Like it is a change of pace but there’s a sense to which the “this ain’t your daddy’s Star Wars” is overstated. So far my only complaint is the flashbacks have no subtitles- like this is Andor’s past, HE knows what everyone’s saying, so why withhold that from the audience? Can’t be for naturalism’s sake when they have the “floating text to represent someone reading a screen” bit elsewhere.

Also not seeing any BR2049 parallels beyond maybe the first couple scenes, like both BR movies are themed around mortality and what it means to be human in a world that devalues humanity, so far this is more about forms of oppression and imperialism both soft and hard.

I never felt a BR2049 parallel in theme, just production design and feel. Which admittedly can be a bit vague... but they just both seemed to have a good (sort of grounded) sense in a realistic future with their production design.

For me the darker more sedate (and therefore excising the camp and ham-fisted writing) is the appeal to me. That's what makes it "this ain't your daddy's Star Wars." The scale of how impactful that is will vary from person to person of course so you may just come away with a lesser version of that which is fine.

In the grand scheme of things it's a subtle shift than something earth shattering, but it makes a lot of difference in how I enjoy the show.

Also things will definitely pick up once the bigger picture starts becoming clearer!

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Maxwell Lord posted:

Okay so with Andor there’s clearly been a miscommunication because I’m only a couple of episodes in, I’m sure things get much more intense, but like, this ain’t far off from what I recognize as Star Wars either. Sure the first scene has the protagonist straight up executing someone, but there’s still alien varmints pissing on droids and a lot of low key humor with human/alien interactions. It’s not like a deconstruction or anything, it’s just darker and more sedate than usual. Hell it’s more colorful than most of Disney’s Star Wars just through the costume and set design using a lot of reds and greens and yellows.

Like it is a change of pace but there’s a sense to which the “this ain’t your daddy’s Star Wars” is overstated. So far my only complaint is the flashbacks have no subtitles- like this is Andor’s past, HE knows what everyone’s saying, so why withhold that from the audience? Can’t be for naturalism’s sake when they have the “floating text to represent someone reading a screen” bit elsewhere.

Also not seeing any BR2049 parallels beyond maybe the first couple scenes, like both BR movies are themed around mortality and what it means to be human in a world that devalues humanity, so far this is more about forms of oppression and imperialism both soft and hard.

The people behind the show weren't setting out to make a show that wasn't Star Wars. It isn't a deconstruction. It's just adding alot more layers to what is already there, making it feel as realistic and weighty as it can get, like alot of the better EU content back in the day.

Captain Jesus
Feb 26, 2009

What's wrong with you? You don't even have your beer goggles on!!

Inspector Hound posted:

Barry Lyndon is on HBO Max. The second half is colossal in scale, filmed in actual palaces and castles. It's wonderful for watching the portraits and furniture and enormous bookshelves float through the background, which is good because it's also terribly boring for the most part.

Barry Lyndon is my favorite Kubrick movie. It might be boring, but only in all the best ways.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Shageletic posted:

The people behind the show weren't setting out to make a show that wasn't Star Wars. It isn't a deconstruction. It's just adding alot more layers to what is already there, making it feel as realistic and weighty as it can get, like alot of the better EU content back in the day.

Yea Gilroy and company's goal was to make a show about the person on the street so far removed from the "heroes" of star wars movies. The rebellion and empire has all these people churning in the background of the movies but why are they there what makes them tick.

The very very ground level look at all this stuff is what is elevating the show and in how meticulously they've written and planned this out.

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

Captain Jesus posted:

Barry Lyndon is my favorite Kubrick movie. It might be boring, but only in all the best ways.

I really tried to open myself up to the "best Kubrick movie ever" feeling I'd heard about, but it just doesn't top 2001 for me, another insanely slow movie. I was even baked, which should have totally leveled the playing field. I will say I can't really think of anything he should have cut out.

e I thought Mom and Dad on Hulu was better than it should have been, so that should probably color my opinion of Barry Lyndon. It's about the frustration of parenthood and the inability of generations to understand each other.

Inspector Hound fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Nov 11, 2022

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

Im watching barry lyndon. I made it past intermission already. This movie is basically catch me if you can but if the protagonist was a little shithead. it is exceedingly boring and if i wasnt a boring old person now i would probably hate it

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

IME people are more likely to have a powerful reaction to Barry Lyndon if they have daddy issues

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Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
It’s a great movie but you definitely gotta be in the right headspace to sit down and watch it.

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