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Yeah the Accord is a good car even with the base powertrain. It's well massive and feels big when you drive it, though.
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Yeah it was mostly subjective things that led to to the Sonata N Line instead, I bet most people in my situation would have gone with the Accord even in 2021.
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I like the exterior of that Accord more than the current one, but wow does the dash look bad. They broke my heart getting rid of the option for a third pedal.
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carry on then posted:Yeah it was mostly subjective things that led to to the Sonata N Line instead, I bet most people in my situation would have gone with the Accord even in 2021. I wanted a Sonata N Line but couldn't find one to test drive that was closer than 3 hours away, so I went with the Accord. It's a nice car, but it's not the GTI that I traded in. I'm hoping once I can put tires on it and possibly tune it that it'll wake up a bit. I have been thinking about trading it in for a manual Accord, but that would probably be financially stupid. It's still crazy to me that my Accord only weighs about a hundred pounds more than my GTI did. I prefer the look of the 11th gen Accord, but no 2.0 would be a deal breaker.
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I'm just glad they got rid of the chrome c-pillar kink and the stapler taillights.
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I had a 2007 Accord, it was a nice car but it handled like a boat. I'm currently committing self-harm by shopping for something new.
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I'm not really sure why you'd buy an Accord anymore? The Civic has become big enough due to the overall trend of cars getting fatter and Honda's excellent interior packaging. The Accord used to have a way nicer interior than the Civic, but that gap looks to have closed significantly with the latest Civic.
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Nov 11, 2022 19:50
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Significantly more cost cutting in the Civic would be my gut opinion until proven otherwise. With econo boxes, a huge number of decisions are made with a priority of “how low can we get this MSRP”, with Civic by definition having more of that than Accord. Now that may not affect reliability, but I like things I touch often to not be the lowest possible cost material, same with chassis and suspension stuff, etc. But as you stated, as with the entire industry, differentiation has really stalled so it may come down to personal preference.
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Inner Light posted:Significantly more cost cutting in the Civic would be my gut opinion until proven otherwise. With econo boxes, a huge number of decisions are made with a priority of “how low can we get this MSRP”, with Civic by definition having more of that than Accord. Now that may not affect reliability, but I like things I touch often to not be the lowest possible cost material, same with chassis and suspension stuff, etc. The exact opposite has happened with Civic since the bad days of 2012 and Honda will never try to move it downmarket again because of how bad that poo poo went.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The exact opposite has happened with Civic since the bad days of 2012 and Honda will never try to move it downmarket again because of how bad that poo poo went. Indeed, I can see how the choice is hard for consumers now. Maybe that is how Honda wants it, I dunno what their MBAs are thinking, but it’s the same thing with Apple that has like 10+ similar laptops to choose and they find big buyer tranches for all of them.
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I think they're pretty differentiated  The accord is big. It's 17" longer and 2" wider, and that is substantial. It's more expensive, it's significantly roomier, and it's more powerful, while getting less good fuel economy (with base engines). It will ride more quietly and be a more comfortable highway cruiser and family car. It's for people who want a nice classic Japanese midsize sedan.
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Plus it's slightly less likely to be confused for an Audi.
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The real question is why does anyone buy a Camry instead of an Accord. I have owned or leased 3 in the last 10 years so am obviously biased, but Accords are fantastic, the only negatives they have are the CVT on base models, garbage audio on all trims, and the 2.0t is now dead. The hybrid is the model to get now.
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sanchez posted:The real question is why does anyone buy a Camry instead of an Accord. I have owned or leased 3 in the last 10 years so am obviously biased, but Accords are fantastic, the only negatives they have are the CVT on base models, garbage audio on all trims, and the 2.0t is now dead. The hybrid is the model to get now. Have yours been hybrids? The Accord hybrid drives weird. Not poorly, just very unusual because of the 1 speed non-cvt trans. People are getting Camrys just because of availability over the last few years, Honda dealers seem to have more trouble just getting any inventory.
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sanchez posted:The real question is why does anyone buy a Camry instead of an Accord. I have owned or leased 3 in the last 10 years so am obviously biased, but Accords are fantastic, the only negatives they have are the CVT on base models, garbage audio on all trims, and the 2.0t is now dead. The hybrid is the model to get now. Because 50mpg and medium large sedan from trusted Toyota. It’s also pretty nice inside.
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Do Camry hybrids even have enough acceleration on the highway if you wanna make some moves or dodge left lane hogs by getting in between the diagonal gap between the left lane hog and the guy in the middle lane driving slightly ahead of him?
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Yes, they have plenty of power.
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Twerk from Home posted:Have yours been hybrids? The Accord hybrid drives weird. Not poorly, just very unusual because of the 1 speed non-cvt trans. Interesting. I thought the hybrid rental I had was a CVT but it’s something else?
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Camrys are just the platonic ideal of Car for people who don't pay much attention to cars. They are heavily optimized to be A Car while minimizing the amount of Car Thinking you have to do.
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VW announced a new model: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um7Ihij9vk0
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Kraftwerk posted:Do Camry hybrids even have enough acceleration on the highway if you wanna make some moves or dodge left lane hogs by getting in between the diagonal gap between the left lane hog and the guy in the middle lane driving slightly ahead of him? We have the Avalon hybrid, same drivetrain. Plenty of power, in fact it's quicker than my wife's previous car, an LS460. In the LS the trans had to kick down first and then get into the torque curve to push all that weight so it took a few seconds for it to get going. In the Avalon when you step on it, it's immediate and it just goes, I was pretty surprised how quick it was when I first drove it. I was actually expecting not to like it at all but it drives great.
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I think we're a long ways away from things like, a brand new Pontiac 1000 being unable to hit 60 before passing the quarter mile on Motorweek. Is there any brand new US-market car that doesn't have adequate power for safe highway maneuvers?
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carry on then posted:I think we're a long ways away from things like, a brand new Pontiac 1000 being unable to hit 60 before passing the quarter mile on Motorweek. Is there any brand new US-market car that doesn't have adequate power for safe highway maneuvers? My wife's 2019 Insight has that Honda e-CVT thing, and the cutover from electric motor to combustion direct drive happens between about 50 and 65MPH. Right when you want power for merging, it stops giving it to you. I don't know the cutover between adequate and inadequate, but that would have been a complete showstopper for me, if it was my car.
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Residency Evil posted:Interesting. I thought the hybrid rental I had was a CVT but it’s something else? There is no gearbox at all, think of it like an EV. There is a clutch that can directly connect the gas engine to the wheels at a fixed ratio (kind of like a 6th gear in a manual box), but a lot of the time you're driving a Nissan Leaf with a generator strapped to it. It is a very simple design, I'm hoping it's reliable long term. It makes a lot more torque than the 1.5 Turbo. Twerk from Home posted:Have yours been hybrids? The Accord hybrid drives weird. Not poorly, just very unusual because of the 1 speed non-cvt trans. Yes, my current one is a 2021 Hybrid. It drives exactly like a slow electric car if you're able to ignore what the ICE engine is doing. I get 53-55mpg in the summer and low 40's in the winter. My commute is ideally suited for the honda hybrid system though, the highest speed limit is 45mph. I understand the Toyotas are better on the highway and not everyone can hit the Honda EPA numbers. The new CRV apparently has two different lock up ratios vs. the one in my car, if the new accord gets the same thing it should help with feel and high speed fuel economy a bit. sanchez fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Nov 12, 2022 |
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Zorak of Michigan posted:My wife's 2019 Insight has that Honda e-CVT thing, and the cutover from electric motor to combustion direct drive happens between about 50 and 65MPH. Right when you want power for merging, it stops giving it to you. I don't know the cutover between adequate and inadequate, but that would have been a complete showstopper for me, if it was my car. I was curious what the 2019 Insight was since we don't have those here and found this C&D long-term test code:60mph seems fine, my Fit takes like 13 seconds and it's ok. For 100mph I've no idea (though it will make it) so I had to find another test for reference. The Altima takes 20 seconds code: E: they also had an original review of the Integra GS-R code:mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Nov 12, 2022 |
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The feel and delivery of these more complex drivetrains is the problem, not raw power. When you floor it from a stop, the car knows you want to go fast and shifts like it. Most of these hybrids keep the gas engine off unless they have to turn it on, but turning it on does take a moment and if you go from a slow start to quicker acceleration, it will take a moment for the gas engine to turn on and start delivering power. Its like the feeling if you ever confuse a dual clutch transmission: if the car guessed wrong and expected to upshift and you ask it to downshift, it takes longer than an old lovely 4 speed auto to actually get into the right gear.
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mobby_6kl posted:
I wonder what those figures would have been with the auto
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dissss posted:I wonder what those figures would have been with the auto Thankfully they wouldn't let you gently caress up like that in the US.
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Residency Evil posted:Interesting. I thought the hybrid rental I had was a CVT but it’s something else? Interestingly, if you floor it, you get power from the electric motor only. If the engine is coupled to the wheels when you do this, it will disconnect and rev up to charge the batteries as quickly as possible. I like this system. It is torquey at lower speeds and super quiet most of the time. I'm averaging about 45 mpg in my 2019 Accord even though most of my driving is 70+mph on the highway and stroads with higher speed limits, which are not ideal for the system. TheGoatTrick fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Nov 13, 2022 |
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It's entirely plausible to me that the Insight performs reasonably and I'm cranky about the shape of its power curve and the sounds it makes. The GS-R was a very good and special boy and cannot be fairly compared to any other car with a redline under 8000.
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Sagebrush posted:Camrys are just the platonic ideal of Car for people who don't pay much attention to cars. They are heavily optimized to be A Car while minimizing the amount of Car Thinking you have to do. melon cat fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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TheGoatTrick posted:I like this system. It is torquey at lower speeds and super quiet most of the time. I'm averaging about 45 mpg in my 2019 Accord even though most of my driving is 70+mpg on the highway and stroads with higher speed limits, which are not ideal for the system. Same with the Avalon. My wife commutes on mostly highway, averages 45, but it helps having EV mode in slow traffic.
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Nice pod. Which BYD is this?
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Piano black plastic wheel arches for the rugged outdoors look.
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smooth jazz posted:Nice pod. Which BYD is this? It's the new prius.
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The rear door/rear quarter area of the previous models is the ugliest mot ungainly part of the previous models, what they've done here is a 1000% improvement to me.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:The rear door/rear quarter area of the previous models is the ugliest mot ungainly part of the previous models, what they've done here is a 1000% improvement to me. Looks alot more like the Prius C to me.
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