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fullroundaction posted:Smash was a thrash album that was marketed as punk because no one knew what to do with it. If you skip the radio hits it’s still a fun listen. Thrash at its core is just punk made by dudes who liked DnD but also loved beer.  And offspring are most definitely pop punk.
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Phosphine posted:Almost everyone, including themself and also the music industry? That's precisely what I'm saying: far fewer people wouldn't consider The Offspring a punk band than I would.
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Warbird posted:The Aquabats are the only true punk band. 😡😡😡
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Buddy if you ain’t dressed up as a schlubby pseudo superhero group with other dudes in your 40s, you ain’t punk.
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Warbird posted:Buddy if you ain’t dressed up as a schlubby pseudo superhero group with other dudes in your 40s, you ain’t punk. Gwar is punk
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:That's precisely what I'm saying: far fewer people wouldn't consider The Offspring a punk band than I would. The more commercial stuff they make now is not the same as the stuff they made in their first two records: There's are all from the first album and are all very much 'banging poo poo out in my basement'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR1b1IGvJx0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjLriFOSW0o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDVA9O5gQc If the first offspring song you heard was that horrible get a job song you'll probably have a very different impression to someone who listened to it from the start. There's arguably four anti-war songs and an eat the rich song on their first album, compared to their latests album which I didn't listen to because of the whole 'gen x are actually terrible after all' vibe they have going. Party Ape has a new favorite as of 14:45 on Nov 13, 2022 |
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EDIT: ^ thanks for the link Offspring had a track called "Kill the President" on their first album, that's pretty punk imo. It's less punk that they took it out of the album when it got re-released, but it's insane to me that you would claim they were never a punk band just because they got older. What's your definition of punk even supposed to be, that the music has to sound like rear end?
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:That's precisely what I'm saying: far fewer people wouldn't consider The Offspring a punk band than I would. 
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Nov 13, 2022 14:50
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Gatekeeping music genres has the same energy as different flavors of leftists attacking each other because they disagree on which font is most proletarian to print their manifesto in.
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Nov 13, 2022 14:55
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There's nothing less punk than arguing about what isn't punk, ironically that is most of what punk is
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I was a huge Offspring fan in my youth and I would not call them punk simply because they were good and most punk is terrible.
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"fewer" is correct, it's a countable
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Serperoth posted:"fewer" is correct, it's a countable We need less energy like this fyi
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If most people don't consider The Offspring a punk band - and I'm not saying they wouldn't, but if they did - that's still far more than it would've been if most people hadn't. Yes or no?
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Serperoth posted:"fewer" is correct, it's a countable e: The Wicked ZOGA posted:If most people don't consider The Offspring a punk band - and I'm not saying they wouldn't, but if they did - that's still far more than it would've been if most people hadn't. Yes or no?
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HEY HEY YOU YOU I DON'T LIKE YOUR DERAIL
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:HEY HEY This isn't very punk
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Lmao. Bad Religion Christmas Album
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Boy this genre that is defined by not following the rules and doing what you want despite convention sure has some very strict requirements!
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I heard an interview once with one of those 1970s British Iggy Pop era dudes and he was of the opinion that Punk died the moment some journalist for a very concerned middle class newspaper coined the term "Punk Rock" to explain to its readership just what was going on with these scary kids in London, and then corporate record labels picked up the term to be able to package and sell it, thereby putting a fence around it. That's what makes Punk gatekeeping very funny - for the original people who were making what became called "Punk Rock" it was about unlabelled, unrestricted experimentation (according to the dude in the interview).
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I got a couple giggles out of it but at no point did I vomit
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Dr. Lunchables posted:Lmao. Bad Religion Christmas Album This is the only Christmas music my children will listen to because the old versions are “corny”.
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I don't really care about defining strict lines between musical genres but still want to participate in the derail, so I'm here to say that Disco Elysium is coppunk.
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Serperoth posted:"fewer" is correct, it's a countable 
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I've seen Aqua labelled as punk Also, this derail is fun. Can we gatekeep death metal next? Ooo, lets gatekeep baroque art!
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which music genre even wants to claim the offspring?
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Rainbow Knight posted:which music genre even wants to claim the offspring? Dad rock.
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sassassin posted:Dad rock. Dad rock keeps claiming more and more punk bands. Their expansion must be stopped!
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Y'all act like Oi to the World, the greatest Punk Christmas Album doesn't even exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNlfuqViMUs
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If it's on a Tony Hawk Pro Skater soundtrack it is punk. Johnny Cash? Punk. KISS? Very punk. Sublime? Oh you know it's punk baby. https://twitter.com/JomboyMedia/status/1591536694536376320
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So you're all saying that The Offspring is more of a rogue-lite than a rogue-like?
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bigperm posted:Y'all act like Oi to the World, the greatest Punk Christmas Album doesn't even exist. Saw them on warped tour in 04. They were big unironic Dubya supporters
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Prof. Spaceman posted:Gatekeeping music genres has the same energy as different flavors of leftists attacking each other because they disagree on which font is most proletarian to print their manifesto in. Counterpoint, singing about murdering your abusive spouse, hiding the body, and going into a business venture with your potentially gay lover is both punk and hip hop.
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Friend posted:If it's on a Tony Hawk Pro Skater soundtrack it is punk. 
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the offspring were way too successful to be punk you cant draw money and be punk this is the fact of the matter
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RFC2324 posted:Dad rock keeps claiming more and more punk bands. Their expansion must be stopped! Punk isn't dead, it just goes to bed at an earlier time.
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https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1591827463583453190 I guess Elon hasn't checked the news because it's a bad idea to epic le troll a member of congress who sits on the committee that has jurisdictional authority over all of his companies
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A lot of people iit arguing about which major label money machine they heard on the radio is punk or not lmao. If it wasn't recorded in a basement squat with a dumpstered tape recorded and pressed to a split 7" its not punk
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Punk lasted for like 6 months before the London sewer kids doing real punk died of heroin and hepatitis. It's such a fun word though it'd be a shame if that's all we used the label for.
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zedprime posted:Punk lasted for like 6 months before the London sewer kids doing real punk died of heroin and hepatitis. It's such a fun word though it'd be a shame if that's all we used the label for. Like yeah it does suck that it got diluted and corporatized pretty much instantly and various subshades are more/less gritty, with some of the ones to get labeled "punk" being essentially just bubblegum. But like, it happened. Move on.
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