Southpaugh posted:

Reddit is representative of the worst normies, no matter what the subject or location.

Frosted Flake posted:

Don’t the Scandinavians also hate the Sami? I think they had residential schools and everything. Obviously that’s really informed a lot of the experience with oppression Amber brought to Chapo.

speng31b posted:

not the worst. CNN has a comment section

Frosted Flake posted:

Don’t the Scandinavians also hate the Sami? I think they had residential schools and everything. Obviously that’s really informed a lot of the experience with oppression Amber brought to Chapo.

e: This was one of the least horrifying comments on an askreddit thread “are gypsies that bad”

mlmp08 posted:

I don’t think anyone will ever convince me this flavor of techno is good music.

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1591466265687769088?s=46&t=hgVpvAaa3KstmPuf5dSYnQ

speng31b posted:

first reply, it's always the first reply

https://twitter.com/tafkak/status/1591475352840306690

mlmp08 posted:

I thought first reply twitter showed you is tailored to your user profile. For example, the first reply I see is a different one.

Frosted Flake posted:

Doesn’t Ireland still need to industrialize? Having skipped from an agrarian economy to a service one, you’d think there’d be room for the Travellers to become idk steelworkers or something. If they were known for being skilled tinsmiths, and expensive pots and pans, cast iron etc are middle class status symbols, the government could just invest in an Irish Made luxury cookware industry and make money from something other than tax sheltering foreign corporations.

Frosted Flake posted:

Doesn’t Ireland still need to industrialize? Having skipped from an agrarian economy to a service one, you’d think there’d be room for the Travellers to become idk steelworkers or something.

euphronius posted:

lol

lobster shirt posted:

manufacturing accounts for more than 1/3 of ireland's gdp according to a google search

Rutibex posted:

i think they care about the traveling part of the lifestyle more than the metal working part

mawarannahr posted:

it’s almost entirely Guinness and butter

Frosted Flake posted:

Doesn’t Ireland still need to industrialize? Having skipped from an agrarian economy to a service one, you’d think there’d be room for the Travellers to become idk steelworkers or something.

Southpaugh posted:

. . .
My point being the revolution provided no change in the system, just who benefited from the system. Ireland in the present day is a post industrial, agrarian export economy with small amounts of high end manufacturing and lots of computer touching. Rip twitter. That manufacturing is pharma and food. A lot of the whey products you see on the shelf are Glanbia, as is Kerry Gold butter, we make a lot of generic pharma, the infamous horse paste ivermectin was developed in Ireland.
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quote:

EXPORTS
The top exports of Ireland are Vaccines, blood, antisera, toxins and cultures ($33B), Packaged Medicaments ($32.4B), Nitrogen Heterocyclic Compounds ($26.3B), Integrated Circuits ($11.2B), and Scented Mixtures ($8.65B), exporting mostly to United States ($57.4B), Germany ($22.7B), United Kingdom ($17.5B), Belgium ($16.2B), and China ($11.9B).

In 2020, Ireland was the world's biggest exporter of Nitrogen Heterocyclic Compounds ($26.3B), Scented Mixtures ($8.65B), Nucleic Acids ($7.27B), Hormones ($4.3B), and Sulfonamides ($4.01B)

Lostconfused posted:

https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1591686767312343040

Southpaugh posted:

TOP EXPORT: Blood.

Southpaugh posted:

So Ireland didn't really industrialise in the typical european fashion, it industrialised as a colony, unlike our neighbours which were all nation states. So Industrialisation took place in Dublin, Belfast and Cork. All coastal port towns, Belfast had harland and Wolfe and the linen industry, Dublin mostly did food processing on an industrial scale, biscuits, glass bottles that sort of thing. There were steel works but it was on a more artisan scale. You'll still see the odd steel plate on the streets that was cast in a Dublin foundry before my parents were born. Theres no coal or steel in Ireland, so heavy industry was never really an option outside of Dublin and Belfast. You can bring materials into the port for production and manufacturing but otherwise they have to take a train somewhere so all those industries were centred in the port cities because the manufactured goods were for export.

When the Free State was formed the trade terms that allowed heavy industry in the free state locations went away. TW for Train enthusiasts: we took up a phenomenal amount of track as what industry we did have contracted into a more sustainable form or went away entirely. Ireland essentially de-industialized from what it had upon creation of the free state which led to all kinds of boring history on De Valeras "dreary Eden" as Ireland became inward looking and "self sufficient". Outside of heavy industry Dublin city centre was basically a large red light district and sex work was the largest employer of working class irish women. This is changed by the Legion of Mary, a group of people as scary as that name might suggest.

Meanwhile agriculture and agrarian concerns are where all of the money and power were then, and are in the modern era. Ireland continued to ship large amounts of food out of the country

Imo, the famines of the 1840s destroyed the character of the irish countryside. The land movements of the late 19th century have an entirely different character to the one they might have had, but the poor and the dispossessed were already dead or displaced by the time they came along. Its worth noting that civil unrest had always been on a simmer coming out of the 18th century, this led to, in order; Wolfe Tones 1798 Rebellion, the Act of union 1800, the dissolution of Irish parliament 1801, the gradual repeal of the penal laws, growing agrarian violence, the emancipation of catholics and then the Famines of the 1840s. It is after this time period that the nation state and an irish republic starts to get talked about and its these people that we recognise from late 19th century politics, into the 20th century and the present day. De Valeras grandson is still in the Dáil for example.

Suffice it to say the Irish eventually got the land, and then immediately set about replicating the british social order absent new lords and ladies.

Returning to the point though, industrial relations at the time would have gone something like this. the Foundry is owned by an aristocrat, a lord dunsany lets say. Lord Dunsany employs a middle class agent to setup the foundry. Skill labour in the foundry and management are all middle class. Working class people do the backbreaking everyday labour in the foundry, travellers would work with the working class guys to bring materials and so on to the foundry. So its the bourgeois, the petty bourgeois, the proletariat and the lumpenproletariat in order. Thats essentially as that would be in the present day, except the travellers, the lumpenproles are no where to be seen in the modern equivalent of this equation. They have been pushed out by both changing society and changing technology. With no one to champion their class interests they are left out in the cold.

My point being the revolution provided no change in the system, just who benefited from the system. Ireland in the present day is a post industrial, agrarian export economy with small amounts of high end manufacturing and lots of computer touching. Rip twitter. That manufacturing is pharma and food. A lot of the whey products you see on the shelf are Glanbia, as is Kerry Gold butter, we make a lot of generic pharma, the infamous horse paste ivermectin was developed in Ireland.

The people who benefit from the current and future irish economy are the same people that always had and always will. There remains no place in Irish society for Travelling people and without some kind of meaningful effort on behalf of the government there never will be.

Southpaugh posted:

mawarannahr posted:

Toxins!

quote:

Turkish media cited President Tayyip Erdogan as saying on Saturday, as he accused the United States and other Western countries of provoking Moscow.

State broadcaster TRT and other media quoted Erdogan as saying: "The West, and especially the U.S., is attacking Russia seemingly endlessly," without elaborating on what he meant.

[...]

"We are working on how to create a peace corridor here, like we had the grain corridor. We think the best way for this is a path from dialogue to peace," Erdogan said, adding Ukraine's view would be important.

Lostconfused posted:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1591807214616182784

Frosted Flake posted:

Culture springs out of modes of production, so unless the Irish government provides them with cows and sheep, I don’t know how this would do anything but immiserate them.

Nonsense posted:

Turkey can’t even protect their own citizens from Gullenist agents setting up car bombs in front of Erdogan’s palace

speng31b posted:

they really can't just help but brag about the purges huh

Donrf posted:

Meanwhile, arrests of Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchy) priests have begun in Ukraine. The force behind which millions of sincerely believing parishioners stood a few years ago has been reduced to insignificance, lost the trust of the flock, marginalized, and begun to be withdrawn from circulation through a policy of acquiescence. Meanwhile, the dissenters are converting their false church to Catholicism at a breakneck pace. In a generation Orthodoxy will not be there. Western sectarians are already up to 20%, and the Center and the East are Catholicizing. What the ancestors of the Ukrainians in the 17th century defended in a bloody war, the descendants sold for lentil soup burger and cola. Which they had anyway. Although it was easy and simple to defeat the jelly that the UOC MP had become. Onc again an rear end sitting on two chairs collapsing to the floor, and getting stomped into the ground . And the Russian Orthodox Church keeps quiet and doesn't say anything.

speng31b posted:

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1591817435086454785

🤔 surely totally legit reasons they don't want reporters around while they purgeliberate things

iCe-CuBe. posted:

I hope the third Black Panther movie is set in Ukraine

Cao Ni Ma posted:

oh my loving god

Nonsense posted:

Shuri's actress can combat the World Health Organization for Hydra Vaccines