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FlamingLiberal posted:One of them, yes. Sinema is less important at least. We still have to deal with Manchin. Mandela Barnes, Cheri Beasley or Tim Ryan would have been the knockout blow to Manchin, but alas none of them panned out.
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Yes, everyone should breathe a deep sigh of relief that the only person we now need to placate is this guy:MANCHIN REACTS TO BIDEN'S OUTRAGEOUS COAL COMMENTS posted:Charleston, WV – Today, U.S. Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) released the following statement on comments President Biden made about shutting down coal plants.
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Nov 13, 2022 04:35
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Ringo Star Get posted:If Warnock can win, does that invalidate the need to placate Sienema and Manchin? They don't really gently caress with judges and it's still unlikely Dems keep the house so they may not much matter. But yeah, every bit helps. Perhaps the carried interest loophole can be closed just as a finger in Sinema's eye.
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FlamingLiberal posted:One of them, yes. Sinema is less important at least. We still have to deal with Manchin. Disagree. Sinema needs to be courted, Manchin is likely to retire in 2024. He's old and from a state that would likely vote against him next election, as not many dems are too enthusiastic for voting for him. She needs to be brought to heel or she will likely get primaried out of her job in 2024.
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Nov 13, 2022 04:43
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Cimber posted:Disagree. Sinema needs to be courted, Manchin is likely to retire in 2024. He's old and from a state that would likely vote against him next election, as not many dems are too enthusiastic for voting for him. She needs to be brought to heel or she will likely get primaried out of her job in 2024. She IS getting primaried. It's far too late to change that.
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Nov 13, 2022 04:47
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evilweasel posted:She IS getting primaried. It's far too late to change that. The AZ Dems need to run Scott Kelly against her. Give the United States the first twin senators.
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Nov 13, 2022 04:51
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nine-gear crow posted:The AZ Dems need to run Scott Kelly against her. Give the United States the first twin senators. Twin Astronaut Senators from Arizona is one hell of a pitch to be honest.
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It's going to continue the way it has been going for the past few months...the GOP will continue to further restrict or ban abortion entirely in places where they can get away with it
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Nov 13, 2022 05:49
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Cimber posted:Disagree. Sinema needs to be courted, Manchin is likely to retire in 2024. He's old and from a state that would likely vote against him next election, as not many dems are too enthusiastic for voting for him. She needs to be brought to heel or she will likely get primaried out of her job in 2024. Manchin will die in office, he’s going nowhere, and his popularity is quite high in WV because they love the fact he sticks it to the Dems and they suck up to him because they need him. Sinema is already getting primaried like plans are actively in the works and a candidate has already all but declared (Ruben Gallego).
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Oracle posted:Manchin will die in office, he’s going nowhere, and his popularity is quite high in WV because they love the fact he sticks it to the Dems and they suck up to him because they need him. Sinema is already getting primaried like plans are actively in the works and a candidate has already all but declared (Ruben Gallego).
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Nov 13, 2022 06:50
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Charlz Guybon posted:I thought he was thinking of retiring. Is he going to run again? Nobody retires anymore.
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Nov 13, 2022 06:56
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Charlz Guybon posted:I thought he was thinking of retiring. Is he going to run again? No Manchin will be running till he dies. I don't like him, you might not like him, but it turns out that a majority of people in West Virginia love him and his approval ratings indicate they're going to vote for him again. Meanwhile, the citizens of Arizona have made it aggressively clear that they loving hate Sinema and have already picked out the guy they want to replace her with the second they're legally allowed to do so. Turns out her "I'm going to immediately abandon all the things that made people want to vote for me in the first place and sell out to team evil thus intentionally and actively screwing over all the campaigners who worked hard to get me this job in the first place" strategy made her pretty unpopular for some mysterious reason.
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Assuming Warnock wins, we'll get to see if claims that other Dem senators are hiding behind Sinema are true very soon.
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Boggles the mind how stupid they are https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1591725751530704896 https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1591725756052291584 https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1591725759252795393
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Charlz Guybon posted:Boggles the mind how stupid they are I think the infighting and fascism of the GOP did help, but I think the student loans and weed movement made it go over the top. People vote for you when you do stuff for them. It's simple as that. I was on the fence for voting in the summer; I was likely to do it, but not be excited about it. Then Biden came through on student loans and I thought, "well, he did the thing I wanted, it would be very rude to not vote for him now!" I just hope the dems don't take away "be more moderate" or some poo poo.
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Nov 13, 2022 13:43
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Charlz Guybon posted:Boggles the mind how stupid they are As always, it is fear and hate that carries the day. The GOP is basically mainlining the Democrats' propaganda to the brains of people for them, imagine what they could wring out with actual propaganda of their own. It's ridiculous that Joe loving Biden has basically went furthest in calling Republicans what they are as far as notable Democrats are concerned.
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Oracle posted:Manchin will die in office, he’s going nowhere, and his popularity is quite high in WV because they love the fact he sticks it to the Dems and they suck up to him because they need him. Sinema is already getting primaried like plans are actively in the works and a candidate has already all but declared (Ruben Gallego). Meanwhile Sinema apparently has delusions that she's what the country wants as a president, and I can't imagine that the normal fallback plan of a sinecure lobbyist job is very likely for a (probable) one-term senator that is hated by both sides of the aisle.
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Nov 13, 2022 14:25
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nine-gear crow posted:The AZ Dems need to run Scott Kelly against her. Give the United States the first twin senators. Can you imagine the prank possibilities? Heh heh...
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Shooting Blanks posted:This is one of the dumber headlines I've seen lately: That's our narrative moving forward.
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Can you imagine the prank possibilities? Heh heh... Like you think you're getting hosed by one Senator but they swap out halfway?
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Failed Imagineer posted:Like you think you're getting hosed by one Senator but they swap out halfway? Like both senators vote but hey wait, isn’t senator Kelly in Hawaii? *cue rimshot*
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Failed Imagineer posted:Like you think you're getting hosed by one Senator but they swap out halfway? Don't forget the flourish at the end when people ask what the name of the act is: "The
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Charlz Guybon posted:Boggles the mind how stupid they are How's the article match up to the headline? I don't have a sub and to be entirely honest don't want to waste valuable weekend time on the NYT getting around their paywall, but now's probably the most perfect time for some shithead editor to ham it up. I'm definitely expecting some interestingly unhinged takes since it was basically only their own local Dem party moderates that they invented a crime wave to support that had their backs broken.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Boggles the mind how stupid they are Could you provide a little more commentary please? Who is this guy, why is his opinion notable, and do you think he's right or wrong? Who do you think is being mind bogglingly stupid here?
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Epic High Five posted:How's the article match up to the headline? I don't have a sub and to be entirely honest don't want to waste valuable weekend time on the NYT getting around their paywall, but now's probably the most perfect time for some shithead editor to ham it up. I'm definitely expecting some interestingly unhinged takes since it was basically only their own local Dem party moderates that they invented a crime wave to support that had their backs broken. The article is largely about the GOP, blaming them for completely squandering a set of conditions that everyone expected to lead to a red wave. It's generally written as a "How the GOP blew it" piece. I can't make a ton of sense of Marshall's objection, since he's doing the thing where someone conveys their position exclusively through smug, snippy sarcasm instead of just loving saying what they mean. I think he's saying that the Dems won because they had the Correct positions on the Correct issues, and that all the little details like gas prices and picking candidates and campaigning are just "PressBrain" nonsense that don't matter. I don't have much to say about it, except that it's real loving rich for Josh Marshall - the founder of Talking Points Memo, who graduated from political blogging to political journalism a decade and a half ago - to accuse anyone else of having "PressBrain". He's got it just as bad as his opponents do, if not worse, if he thinks you can look at an incredibly close election like this and point to one overriding factor that decided everything. There's no doubt that the GOP going full fash and overturning Roe had some impact, but Trump's feuding with McConnell and Rick Scott stealing all the money certainly had some impact as well, as did the lineup of absolute vampires they were running like Blake Masters.
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Fister Roboto posted:Could you provide a little more commentary please? Who is this guy, why is his opinion notable, and do you think he's right or wrong? Who do you think is being mind bogglingly stupid here? He runs a very large and reasonably successful news and opinion website that is decades old. He’s definitely more in the third way kind of space but his correspondents are increasingly left leaning.
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Main Paineframe posted:The article is largely about the GOP, blaming them for completely squandering a set of conditions that everyone expected to lead to a red wave. It's generally written as a "How the GOP blew it" piece. his objection is this part of the tweet: quote:Democrats turned in the best midterm showing in two decades for a party holding the White House. Interviews with more than 70 people reveal the miscalculations, misreadings and infighting in both parties that led the GOP to blow its chance at a blowout. basically that the NYT couldn't manage to avoid both-siding an article about how the GOP blew it in this tweet
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Main Paineframe posted:The article is largely about the GOP, blaming them for completely squandering a set of conditions that everyone expected to lead to a red wave. It's generally written as a "How the GOP blew it" piece. Here's an archive link as well. Speaking of which, if anyone's come across any other good post-midterms "deep dive" analysis articles, please post them. I imagine we'll be seeing a lot more of them come out next week. EDIT: Here's the Brookings panel. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Nov 13, 2022 |
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Sinema has said other senators hide behind her, so I suspect (but am willing to be surprised) that the type of obstructionist role she played will have one or two senators jumping in to help. You aren’t down to negotiating with Sinema or Manchin. Now you’ll have other centrist/conservative Dems have to step up too, which might make them uncomfortable but the sinecure is guaranteed, so I suspect they’ll do it. There isn’t one easy trick to defeat the billions of dollars of will to defeat a fifteen dollar minimum wage. If all opponents have to do is buy one more Senator, that’s a small price to pay.
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selec posted:Sinema has said other senators hide behind her, so I suspect (but am willing to be surprised) that the type of obstructionist role she played will have one or two senators jumping in to help. Sinema is an idiot and a liar, even by politician standards, so I'm pretty willing to discount this as total bullshit unless literally any other senator has made statements indicating it's true.
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selec posted:Sinema has said other senators hide behind her, so I suspect (but am willing to be surprised) that the type of obstructionist role she played will have one or two senators jumping in to help. This line gets trotted out a bunch from a person who lies constantly, why is this politician the one you believe?
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socialsecurity posted:This line gets trotted out a bunch from a person who lies constantly, why is this politician the one you believe? I’m perfectly willing to believe Chris coons is way more conservative than he, well, openly let’s on, and more than willing to let sinema and manchin take the heat.
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selec posted:Sinema has said other senators hide behind her, so I suspect (but am willing to be surprised) that the type of obstructionist role she played will have one or two senators jumping in to help. Her quote about other people "hiding behind her skirt" was that there were a bunch of people who supported her, but would never vote against it publicly. She was saying that if it wasn't for her, then all the reckless taxes and spending would have sailed through because the other 3-4 Democratic Senators were political cowards. Even if you take her 100% at her word (you shouldn't, but let's say you do), it doesn't really matter if someone thinks it is bad policy, but votes for it because they are scared politically.
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There's some Mandela Effect on that Sinema quote:Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's from the book the "hiding behind my skirt" quote came from. Re-reading it, I just noticed she didn't actually claim anyone else told her they were opposed to parts of BBB, just that it was her "feeling" they were. Regardless, given the full spectrum of personalities and backgrounds in the party there are probably several members who aren't 100% behind every aspect of every piece of legislation, but that's very different than being a member who's willing to stand up and go against their ingroup when the entire rest of the caucus wants to move forward on something. Manchin and Sinema both did it for different reasons, but they also both had the kind of "rogue/outsider" personality type that would stand against their ingroup and smile while taking all that heat. Manchin is enough of a smug little prick, I think he actually gets off on being a fly in the ointment. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Nov 13, 2022 |
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selec posted:Sinema has said other senators hide behind her, so I suspect (but am willing to be surprised) that the type of obstructionist role she played will have one or two senators jumping in to help. Leaving aside what others said, why is "Person criticized for unpopular stance claims to be only one brave enough to say it out loud" ever evidence of anything but that person wanting to avoid blame?
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Manchin does it because he knows it plays well with West Virginia voters and he can stay in office as long as he wants while pissing off the other 99% of democrats. Sinema’s shtick is absolutely not playing with Arizona voters so she most likely won’t get a chance to keep doing it in two years
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Yea, it's the same as the silent majority bullshit that conservatives love to pretend exists.
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Is there a thread for the FTX debacle and other crypto/NFT silliness? I was going to post here but then thought it might not be the adequate thread.
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Sephyr posted:Is there a thread for the FTX debacle and other crypto/NFT silliness? I was going to post here but then thought it might not be the adequate thread. It's an ongoing disaster, so you can post about here. There's also the tech nightmare thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3763277
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