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AreWeDrunkYet posted:You can be dismissive about people openly proclaiming their Nazi sentiments, but as someone whose ethnicity would be wiped out by that ideology, I'm going to comfortably keep calling it out when I see it. If that gets me ridiculed by you, so be it. I’m Jewish, at least through heritage if not actually religious. My wife’s family literally fled the pogroms. I also remember being a young dumb enlisted male in a combat zone. Until there is an action that is actually indicative of intent to follow up on that piece of cloth I’m not going to lose sleep over it. From my point of view the Ukrainian forces are fighting the good fight against totalitarian extremism and racism and so ACTIONS >>> words. At this point it’s like getting pissed off at Pvt Jokers piece symbol.
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I don’t know why this poo poo turns into a 40 post derail every time. gently caress whatever rando wears some dumb Nazi patch on purpose. I’ve known plenty of American morons who would do the same. If he didn’t know it was a Nazi thing I hope he throws it away when he finds out. What else really needs to be said?
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Nov 12, 2022 19:32
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It's an internet thing, people need to demonstrate that they are the Most Correct, and explain in excruciating detail why a thing is bad (and by implication, that you are bad for not sharing their viewpoint 100%)
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Nov 12, 2022 19:45
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Who keeps track of all of these obscure as gently caress Nazi patches? Why should some Ukrainian kid in a warzone know what unit wore crossed grenades 75 years ago?
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The X-man cometh posted:Who keeps track of all of these obscure as gently caress Nazi patches? Why should some Ukrainian kid in a warzone know what unit wore crossed grenades 75 years ago? Antifa Also nazis and war historians Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Nov 12, 2022 |
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Nov 12, 2022 19:57
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Hekk posted:Nazis are bad Nothing about this was hard to parse.
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Nov 12, 2022 20:01
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The X-man cometh posted:Who keeps track of all of these obscure as gently caress Nazi patches? Why should some Ukrainian kid in a warzone know what unit wore crossed grenades 75 years ago? A lot of nazis know a lot about nazi symbology. When the stage of cpac 2021 was set up as an othala/odal rune, you better believe a lot of nazis picked up on it, and it's meaning. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 12, 2022 20:05
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Let's talk about the actually war https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1591488510804262912
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Nov 13, 2022 03:17
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Why are we talking about this in the milhist thread?
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gently caress, I had the milhist thread tab next to this one and misclicked
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I feel this has a lot to do with Ukraine's history during WW2. We all agree that the Nazis were objectively baddies, but Ukrainians seeing them during the initial stages of Barbarossa/during the invasion, they saw them as liberators having initially preferred them over the Soviet Union. You got to remember, that Ukraine just experienced the Holodomor during the early 30's so that was still fresh in the millions of Ukrainians that saw the panzers rolling past their villages in 1941. Of course Ukraine suffered just the same under Nazi rule as did the Soviets lorded over them and post-war they were right back in the USSR. Now FFWD to Ukraine today where they're seeing Russians returning to their country in force after enjoying a few decades of being by themselves as an independent country, I don't feel too surprised to see few Ukrainian Soldiers wearing Nazi paraphernalia/patches while fighting against the Russians. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Flesnolk posted:gently caress, I had the milhist thread tab next to this one and misclicked
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CabooseRvB posted:I feel this has a lot to do with Ukraine's history during WW2. We all agree that the Nazis were objectively baddies, but Ukrainians seeing them during the initial stages of Barbarossa/during the invasion, they saw them as liberators having initially preferred them over the Soviet Union. Are you loving kidding me?
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Charlz Guybon posted:What's the name of that thread. Would like to check it out. It's just called the milhist thread. It's usually near the top of ask tell
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Flesnolk posted:gently caress, I had the milhist thread tab next to this one and misclicked Why are you talking about Ukraine in the Sonic inflation thread? oh poo poo Charlz Guybon posted:Let's talk about the actually war I mean the same could be said of the colonel himself so
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Alan Smithee posted:lol False, at current prices a Russian colonel (est. 80kg) is only worth a single $170,000 GMLRS. At $56/gram for gold, that means that a Russian colonel is only worth 3035 grams of gold. in short a russian colonel is only worth about 1/26th of his weight in gold. And that's only if you can find someone to pay it: the going rate for information leading to cashing in a Russian colonel for his value in GMLRS is much, much lower.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:False, at current prices a Russian colonel (est. 80kg) is only worth a single $170,000 GMLRS. At $56/gram for gold, that means that a Russian colonel is only worth 3035 grams of gold. in short a russian colonel is only worth about 1/26th of his weight in gold. to be fair have you seen the size of russian colonels? At pennies on the dollar you're still getting a fuckload of pennies
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is Banksy Ukrainian? Why is he tagging rubble?
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Nov 13, 2022 05:39
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Banksy goes everywhere he did some "we should improve society somewhat" thing in Palestine
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Alan Smithee posted:Banksy goes everywhere This was hilarious because the usual suspects in the west cheered him on for being brave for doing his spraypaint bullshit on the border wall, while the Palestinians weren't impressed at all, because they want the drat wall blown up.
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Alan Smithee posted:to be fair have you seen the size of russian colonels? At pennies on the dollar you're still getting a fuckload of pennies lmao i knew 80kg was lowballing it, too
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gently caress, I love y'all. Got a Russian Polkovnik right here. Best $10 I ever spent.  She sleeps 20 hrs a day, eats and drinks for free, and runs away from any possible conflict at the first opportunity.
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That one looks like it very well is worth its weight in gold  In other news: hug harvest appears to have been fruitful in Ukraine this year, they're giving them away like they grow on trees. even journalists are getting swamped Also footage of wrecked russian equipment from Kherson region is starting to make it out and we should have a decent picture of that probably in 2-3 days. E: https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1591473124188782593 also lol @ that patch 
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McNally posted:Are you loving kidding me? but hey, this seems like a good opportunity to mention that the excellent yale open ukrainian history course has gotten through the 1930s-1960s in the last few weeks, so if you want the more complicated messy version of the historical era everyone loves to fixate on, it's right there!
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Herstory Begins Now posted:
Oh now you've done it.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:also lol @ that patch What does the first half say?
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Loezi posted:What does the first half say? зсу (zsu) which is the acronym of armed forces of ukraine just a hilarious thing to literally make history in, gonna be great when he has to show his kids his war-time pictures some day lol
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VSOKUL girl posted:but hey, this seems like a good opportunity to mention that the excellent yale open ukrainian history course has gotten through the 1930s-1960s in the last few weeks, so if you want the more complicated messy version of the historical era everyone loves to fixate on, it's right there! I've just found my podcast for my upcoming drive down to Florida for the Artemis 1 launch. Thanks!
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Z’d up and copiumed out early model, un-upgraded T-62: https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/ytnmzv/russia_is_now_using_base_model_t62_from_1961/ You could probably crack the side armor on this with modern .50 cal AP rounds.
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Murgos posted:Z’d up and copiumed out early model, un-upgraded T-62: There are a squadron of A-10 pilots somewhere who need to see their doctors due to a 4 hour erection.
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poo poo's been going down hill for russia so fast I now even question the idea that the GAU-8 couldn't mission kill even the most modern tank russia is still operating.
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Ukraine has Su-25 aircraft - I'm surprised we haven't seen video of gun runs against Russian armor. Maybe artillery and guided munitions have made using the 30mm an unnecessary risk?
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CainFortea posted:poo poo's been going down hill for russia so fast I now even question the idea that the GAU-8 couldn't mission kill even the most modern tank russia is still operating. GAU-8 absolutely can kill almost every tank that anyone is using. It just has to risk the platform a lot more for less chance of a kill than if you are shooting hellfires or SDBs or something. MBTs do not have a lot of side or rear armor. GAU-8 can shoot right through the rear hull sides or the back of a M1, let alone anything less modern. And GAU-8 was never able to shoot through the front armor of any tank it was expected to face, it'll bounce right off that T-62 if you try to shoot at it from the front. So in that way, there is little difference whether you are shooting at a M1 or a T-62. This is an almost-universal design tradeoff of the MBT: you sacrifice protection from other directions in order to provide maximum protection from frontal arcs. I'm not sure but I think some Merkavas are the only exception, in that they are heavily armored from at least sides and maybe rear too, but they are made for different kind of fighting than most other MBTs. BRRRRT is not obsolete because BRRRRRT can't kill tanks. If the plane is not being shot at, it is still pretty near as good at killing tanks than it's ever been. The problem it faces is that proliferated radar-guided light AAA and missile AA means that even if something going low and relatively slow gets a single attack run, they for sure aren't getting a second.
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Wombot posted:Ukraine has Su-25 aircraft - I'm surprised we haven't seen video of gun runs against Russian armor. Maybe artillery and guided munitions have made using the 30mm an unnecessary risk? both sides are packing loads of anti aircraft missiles, gun runs would be suicide. thats also why they're both using helicopters as lovely mlrs
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Tuna-Fish posted:GAU-8 absolutely can kill almost every tank that anyone is using. It just has to risk the platform a lot more for less chance of a kill than if you are shooting hellfires or SDBs or something. Rule of cool should apply 
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Tuna-Fish posted:GAU-8 absolutely can kill almost every tank that anyone is using. It just has to risk the platform a lot more for less chance of a kill than if you are shooting hellfires or SDBs or something. I am sure the experience of going through the sounds and violent shaking of being in a Russian tank taking GAU-8 rounds off the front armor would compel me to surrendering anyways
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OctaMurk posted:both sides are packing loads of anti aircraft missiles, gun runs would be suicide. thats also why they're both using helicopters as lovely mlrs And they've both been losing SU-25s left and right: https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/11/01/has-the-ukraine-war-killed-off-the-ground-attack-aircraft quote:Old-fashioned airpower has kept a low profile in the conflict in Ukraine, eclipsed by the kamikaze drones and cruise missiles used by both sides. When the Russian air force appeared to step up its activity inside Ukrainian airspace in September, its losses increased sharply. Close-air support (cas) aircraft have fared particularly badly, raising questions about the future of these planes and the prospect of sending similar American jets to Ukraine.
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Don't think a whole lot of tanks have enough top armor to stop armor piercing 30mm either, even from A-10 shallow attack dive angles.
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A.o.D. posted:What does the coloring book have to say about all of this? We dont know. We can't connect the dots. Shockingly, the army ate all the crayons this time.
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