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euphronius posted:blocks are not meaningless it’s literally a -2 point (more like -1.2 points I guess ) play this is 100% fantasy simulacrum
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indigi posted:this is 100% fantasy simulacrum u are getting confused stats can be narratively important (this happened ) and have meaning in telling a story of a game (“and then he score two points and blocked a shot on defense “) like in that sense the words have meaning and point to something that happened . what is the simulacrum is taking stats out of their narrative home and putting them in spreadsheets to determine things that are made up . like “embiid blocked 5 shots in the 4th quarter “ makes sense “block shots per game is an important stat which shows value on defense” does not make sense
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euphronius posted:blocks are not meaningless it’s literally a -2 point (more like -1.2 points I guess ) play depends on the block, block + possession negates a good shot and gives your team a fast break opportunity(~2 point play), block without possession turns a good shot into probably a worse shot but not necessarily (~0.2 point play)
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Nov 14, 2022 04:35
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fair enough I was assuming block plus possession yeah
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Nov 14, 2022 04:36
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Jesus H I've been playing Xenoblade but 59 goddamn points
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euphronius posted:like “embiid blocked 5 shots in the 4th quarter “ makes sense he certainly blocked five shots but that doesn't translate to +1.2x5 saved points because it completely lacks context. you can't just say "Embiid had blocks which prevent points" like that number in the box score is equivalent to describing those five individual particular plays.
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I can and I will Becuase it is correct
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Nov 14, 2022 04:42
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your immediately previous post already admitted it wasn't
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Nov 14, 2022 04:44
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in general but in this game specifically no I was correct espn and fantasy has so ruined stats that when people try to used them correctly (say what happened) people get all confused and import the whole simulacrum on top of basic narrative statements
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Nov 14, 2022 04:47
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here is what I said euphronius posted:[embiid had] 5 blocks in the 4th a simple narrative statement they described what happened
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Nov 14, 2022 04:48
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and I said that number provides no information about utility
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Nov 14, 2022 04:54
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all blocks are rad as all get out
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a new study bible! posted:like I’d trade Embiid for Haliburton, Heild, and Turner, but something tells me the Pacers wouldn’t do that.
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euphronius posted:trade embiid for a center right now
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euphronius posted:blocks are not meaningless it’s literally a -2 point (more like -1.2 points I guess ) play hm euphronius posted:he will have a lot of blocks and writers will think “that’s good defense !!” it’s in the box score you know
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I'm glad to see that by this time next year Embiid will finally complete his transition to PG.
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Vox Nihili posted:Giannis, Curry, Durant, Luka, and Tatum are probably the best players in the NBA. In that order. No questions, please. As amazingly as Tatum has played this year, Jokic should still be ahead of him and Durant imo. The top three players (Jokic/Giannis/Doncic) are all foreign Embiid made the case that he should also be ahead of Tatum and Durant today, and if Donovan Mitchell keeps balling out like this with improved shooting efficiency/passing/defense he has a chance to be in the discussion as well. Also Shai Gilgeous-Alexander deserves more attention but is on one of the worst teams. The fact that OKC is playing even okay is a miracle Right now I'd say first tier is Giannis/Doncic/Jokic/Curry, second tier is Tatum/Embiid/Durant/Mitchell/SGA, third tier is Morant/Lillard/PG3/Butler, and honorable mentions are Siakam/Booker/Bane/DJ Murray/Jrue/VanVleet/Halliburton. Harden is second or third tier based on his low sample size so far but we'll see if he can continue his success Yossarian-22 fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Nov 14, 2022 |
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"best player" is a lot more vague than who's having the best season. the players having the best season are pretty clearly luka/giannis and i'd put tatum third. it's tough to evaluate jokic because he's playing so differently than last year, both in terms of where he puts his effort and the playcalls in terms of running PNR or DHO sets (where his role is primarily playmaking) instead of a lot of dedicated post-up sets (where his role is primarily scoring unless/until a team sends a double). last year he averaged 28/14/8, and in the game that just ended, he posted 8/6/14, +29 in 27 minutes.
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kingcobweb posted:"best player" is a lot more vague than who's having the best season. the players having the best season are pretty clearly luka/giannis and i'd put tatum third. He's CP3 at the center position, and every year the analytics show his defense improving such that now he's arguably an elite defender at center. Vucevic was 4/10 today and got no offensive rebounds. He's doing an incredible job setting up Porter/Murray even as they come back from injuries and KCP as well who is shooting at career high efficiency He's hitting a career low 3 point percentage, as he's only shooting 28%, so although he's sharing the ball more I imagine his ppg will improve Tatum is having a ridiculous scoring/efficiency year but so is everyone. Scoring is up across the entire NBA. Right now the only player who has separated themselves from the pack on offense has been Steph but I imagine he'll come back down to earth Yossarian-22 fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Nov 14, 2022 |
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Nov 14, 2022 06:15
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I should mention that playoff Butler is the best player in the NBA and my tier list should probably be completely reshuffled come playoff time
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if hes really the best in the playoffs why couldnt he drag his cast of undrafted scrubs to the finals?
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But anyway, tonight is embiid’s night, I hope this will give my sixers poster friends hope once again. Absurdly dominant game
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Right now I'm happy about my Kings looking like they could end the biggest playoff drought in sports. Their offense is crazy
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Nov 14, 2022 07:23
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blocks don't necessarily lead to preventing points until the rebound, not in the way that a dunk is necessarily scoring. but blocks are awesome. dropping 50 with 5 swats is stunning.
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20 points off 24 free throws is a silly regular season quirk though so i'm personally rounding his points down to the nearest round number. Congratulations two-way titan Joel Embiid!
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that was a good example of how important a two way center is
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Joel-Hans Embiid is very good.
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I can’t believe the cavs lost to the worst team in the league
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kingcobweb posted:But anyway, tonight is embiid’s night, I hope this will give my sixers poster friends hope once again. Absurdly dominant game I'm mad i woke up too late to watch it before work. lmao embiid wants Doc gone so bad, look at the snub at the start of this video https://twitter.com/sixers/status/1592005757209280517 my preseason theory that Embiid and Harden were going to be coaching the team on the court is looking truer and truer
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indigi posted:if Embiid really wanted him gone he'd be gone the owners hired him, not Morey
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Stevie Lee posted:the owners hired him, not Morey this is the nba. if Embiid said "him or me" rivers is gone
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a new study bible! posted:I can’t believe the cavs lost to the worst team in the league You mean against the future top two seed in the West? The Cavs didn't have Donovan Mitchell in that game :|
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if Mitchell plays Garland has like 18 points, sadly.
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I was told the Cavs were unstoppable and the wolves were doodoo rear end
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although I’ll acknowledge that playing Mitchell 40 mins a game is good cover for faking an injury to duck Gobert. not sure why they would feel it’s necessary to do that though. maybe they don’t trust him?
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if you can watch the 4th quarter of the jazz sixers game I’ve never seen anything like it
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I was told Embiid should be traded for Halliburton, Hield, and Turner. And DLo doesn't go 30/12 with Mitchell on defense lol Cavs being a top four team and the Wolves being garbage is still true
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