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LividLiquid posted:Deep Space 9 finally addressed this. Jadzia Captained The Defiant during the war and was referred to as Captain despite not being ranked so. that's just because Ron Moore's a weird ROTC dropout
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Paradoxish posted:I unironically love the Nova class and I love this size of ship. Another one of Voyager's huge misses on potential was the idea that the Intrepid class never felt as small as it was supposed to be, and it still ended up with TNG's ship of endless hallways and infinite expendable crew effect.
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Bullbar posted:I was thinking today, Starfleet really needs a protocol for "this person isn't acting like themselves" so they can immediately start scanning to see if they're possessed or a shapeshifter or whatever They seemed to have things pretty in-hand right away in Lower Decks when past-Rutherford's personality took over, they jumped straight to 'yeah we've probably got a possession situation here' and took appropriate action.
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Heavy Metal posted:I just watched Vortex, that ep is a masterpiece! One of the best DS9's so far. Plus right before that was The Nagus, which even though it had some fun Quark, it was one of those ones I wasn't feeling enough to fully sit through. Vortex though, that is my jam, it's like an ep of Miami Vice meets Deadwood. Cool honor and intrigue among strangers, some almost Hateful Eight-esque ol' west characters and vendettas etc, and cool characterization for Odo. I thought the guest actor ruled, and looked it up, he stars in one of my fav underrated movies Shock Treatment (that follow-up to Rocky Horror). Cool stuff. Honestly if you enjoyed any season 1 episode that much -- well, aside from "Duet", which everyone loves -- you are in for a treat. I've never thought much of "Vortex" either way myself. But either way, there's lots of great stuff ahead.
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Has the whole kids on a ship that routinely gets put in danger ever come up in Trek? Like the whole bring your family along on a ship that can flip from looking at plants to fighting off a borg invasion seems kinda daft. None of the other species were shown to have kids/schools on their ships were they?
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Kin posted:Has the whole kids on a ship that routinely gets put in danger ever come up in Trek? Picard specifically grumbles about it in The Bonding. No, I don't think other nations were shown to have families on their combatant starships
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"I've figured out a way to make the men fight harder!" "How sir?" "Well they will have to you see." "Why is that?" "Or their families will be killed horribly!" "Brilliant!" "Also no one can leave the ship for 5 years!" "Uh well..." "Okay some can leave but they have to put on a red shirt and they may not be coming back... Ever..."
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Kin posted:Has the whole kids on a ship that routinely gets put in danger ever come up in Trek?
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Kin posted:None of the other species were shown to have kids/schools on their ships were they? The Borg. e: Yes, a maturation chamber counts as a school. 
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The Gem'hadar also have kids on their ships. Kind of
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A.o.D. posted:The Gem'hadar also have kids on their ships. i'm imagining they look like the kids from dinosaurs now, little baby hornheads
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Picard specifically grumbles about it in The Bonding. Didn't a group of Ferengi call out how dumb that is at one point?
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Didn't a group of Ferengi call out how dumb that is at one point? They also think that it is the height of perversion to clothe 
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wesleywillis posted:They also think that it is the height of perversion to clothe Yeah, when a group like that is able to call you out, you know you hosed up bad.
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Computer, activate self-destruct. Lock all escape pods and turbolift doors. Re-rout deadly plasma into the daycare ventilation system. That'll show this god-alien how serious I am...
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Bullbar posted:I was thinking today, Starfleet really needs a protocol for "this person isn't acting like themselves" so they can immediately start scanning to see if they're possessed or a shapeshifter or whatever star trekkers are insane thrill junky decorum bug chasers who want the crew to get possesed so they can put the skills they honed over hours in debate club into practice
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Trying posted:star trekkers are insane thrill junky decorum bug chasers who want the crew to get possesed so they can put the skills they honed over hours in debate club into practice Also because it required possession/mind control to force a white man to kiss a black woman on TV in the 1960s.
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Everyone posted:Also because it required possession/mind control to force a white man to kiss a black woman on TV in the 1960s. may I refer you to i_am_a_racist_but_i_would_totally_make_out_with_uhura.txt
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Trying posted:may I refer you to i_am_a_racist_but_i_would_totally_make_out_with_uhura.txt If that is an actual text, yes please. It sounds like something someone in the 70s would have written. But also lots of slave owning racists did "make out" with black women that they did not consider to be people.
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BonHair posted:If that is an actual text, yes please. It sounds like something someone in the 70s would have written. And made sure to pass laws ensuring that any children that resulted from said "make outs" would inherit the mother's status and not the father's. AKA they stayed slaves.
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BonHair posted:If that is an actual text, yes please. It sounds like something someone in the 70s would have written. Some 70s Southern Dude its on the Wiki posted:I am totally opposed to the mixing of the races. However, any time a red-blooded American boy like Captain Kirk gets a beautiful dame in his arms that looks like Uhura, he ain't gonna fight it. Not saying they're not racist, just that mind control isn't necessarily necessary. BonHair posted:But also lots of slave owning racists did "make out" with black women that they did not consider to be people. But I do not dispute this point.
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Kin posted:Has the whole kids on a ship that routinely gets put in danger ever come up in Trek? For the most part it seems like one of those weird early TNG ideas that got backed away from. I can sort of see the reasoning in how this space future society with the ability to provide anything anywhere could provide adequate living conditions for servicemen to bring their families along in the ship itself, but it's also contingent on interior Earth/Federation society not being fleshed out or considered at all, which makes it easier to imagine people just leaving their homes behind because of a spouse in starfleet if there's nothing on Earth to actually keep them tied down. For Vulcans it might even be better for their health to have their long-term postings on the same ship with their mates. Nominally, the Galaxy ships aren't meant to be frontline battleships, they're supposed to just be research ships (that regularly poke sticks into the dangerous unknown), but the show had very little interest in depicting much long-term research and academics onboard the ship. The show even had some kind of idea of leaving the civilians behind when something dangerous was going on, but never did anything with that either. TNG was probably the most ambitious Trek show with the most weird ideas that very often didn't work.
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In fairness to the Galaxy's "Yeah, in hindsight,  ?" mission profile planners, there had been a long period of relative stability for a few decades prior to TNG. They were probably thinking "Okay, there was that business with the Cardassians, but that's now over and this new ship can easily handle any border skirmishes. Totally safe to have families aboard." They couldn't foresee meeting Q, the return of the Romulans, first contact with the Borg, the Maquis deciding to pick a fight in the DMZ, the discovery of the Bajoran wormhole and eventual conflict with the Dominion...Kinda weird how whenever we follow a particular ship or station, Interesting Times return. 
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They also quietly back away from the entire idea of kids on board as soon as Roddenberry's out of the picture. I don't know that they explicitly ever said they'd moved families off the ship, but the references to them gradually shrink into nothing after Wolf 359 and the idea of other ships ever having families on board in the first place is never referenced outside of the first episode of DS9 with Sisko's dead wife.
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Roadie posted:They also quietly back away from the entire idea of kids on board as soon as Roddenberry's out of the picture. I don't know that they explicitly ever said they'd moved families off the ship, but the references to them gradually shrink into nothing after Wolf 359 and the idea of other ships ever having families on board in the first place is never referenced outside of the first episode of DS9 with Sisko's dead wife. Nah, the kids are on board until the end. For instance. there are the kids in the turbolift with Picard during Disaster (S5). Rascals, also S5, has the kid versions of the adults blend in with other kids on board. Alexander is explicitly going to school on board throughout S5. The Captain Picard day 'art' show is during Pegasus (S7).
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"The accumulated filth of all their treks and explorers will foam up around their waists and all the yeoman and ambassadors will look up and shout "Save us!" and I'll look down and whisper "No."
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bull3964 posted:The kid later grew up to invent the instrument that makes TMP’s score so iconic. I thought this was a joke I wasn't getting, but "As an LA studio session musician and electronic music composer, working under the name "Craig Huxley", he created the "Blaster Beam ", a massive stringed instrument responsible for the weird tonalities of V'ger bass blasts in Jerry Goldsmith's score for Star Trek: The Motion Picture, heard in the beginning of the film during the Klingon sequence. He also created the synthesizer programming for the Project Genesis sequence in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock. "After I created this music, I expanded it and included it on an album, Genesis Project, along with my version of the TV series theme," explained Huxley."
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MillennialVulcan posted:I thought this was a joke I wasn't getting, but Wow, that is cool as hell. I wonder if he knows that the entrance to the Denver Museum of Art sounded a lot like the Blaster Beam when you walk through it (which was also cool as hell)
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Roadie posted:They also quietly back away from the entire idea of kids on board as soon as Roddenberry's out of the picture. I don't know that they explicitly ever said they'd moved families off the ship, but the references to them gradually shrink into nothing after Wolf 359 and the idea of other ships ever having families on board in the first place is never referenced outside of the first episode of DS9 with Sisko's dead wife. The Federation are just too cowardly to move to an entirely ship based living setup.
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"You're not afraid to die in battle? Good for you. Listen. See the little kid behind the helmsman? That's Cadet Ricky. There's four generations of his family on this ship, and every one of those generations is ready and willing to time travel and risk getting erased from history just to make sure Wesley gets a date to the Academy Prom. Are you hearing me? Entire clans on this floating city, in the middle of a hostile empire, surrounded by warships, and it's just your average day at Pre-K. Call me back when you're ready to show real dedication."
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External Organs posted:There's probably a xenobiology paper postulating that spacefaring species with minimal sleep needs have a greater expansion potential - perhaps the iconians didn't need any sleep at all! Iconians lived in the Sigma Grind Quadrant. 
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On TV they're barely in space but in the movies they take great joy in exploding corridors and sucking people out into vacuum and for that reason I think that children should not be on starships that get into shenangians on a weekly basis. Because the only way to die in space is horrifically. (exceptions if they are actually officers who have been turned into children by a transporter thing or an omniscient entity.) Also I don't get too bent out of shape about how Starfleet ranks work because if I did I'd have to notice that there are zero enlisted people in Star Trek except Chief O'Brien.
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nine-gear crow posted:That is basically Beta Canon re: the Enterprise-B, yes. "Boringly competent." Except for that part where they do a false-flag op on the Romulans.
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It makes sense from Starfleets view to have families on board starships because the Enterprise isn't a warship. Its all about exploration and first contact situations. They're coming from the mindframe that Starfleet is not a military organization.
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