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Yeah, the thing is that doing this intentionally means he's doing it by making himself a figure of ridicule in the public eye more and more every single day for weeks/months on end. I can't see him willingly do that, he's far too fragile.
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This smells strongly of panic and desperation. He's not calming down until he's had a few weeks outside the madness, so this is going to blow up first.
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Nov 14, 2022 19:01
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I'm not a businessman by any means, but it's bizarre how he went in swinging dick and went to SLASH EVERY EXPENSE and not just trim some fat, looking for ways to cut expenses and increase revenue. I suppose it's a testament to how lovely the deal he made is, how unprofitable Twitter is and the fact that, like many say in this thread, he's a narcissistic dipshit who happened to make the right investments at the right time until now.
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Nov 14, 2022 19:05
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I think Musk has correctly identified that ad-centrism is the root cause of most of what makes social medias awful. Mind you, like all of his "insights", it's something that a lot of actual serious and believable people have been saying for years. The ultimate goal of weaning off twitter from ad revenue, or at least the current dynamics of it, somehow is something that is 100% needed. He seems to be doing the equivalent of "If we act as if we were in a post-racism society, then racism would go away". Transition plans are clearly not something he does, and he doesn't seem to realize that twitter absolutely needs one in order to survive. So he takes his idealized "vision" of how twitter would be eventually operating in "steady state" in 5 years (efficient, thin, popular, profitable, independent, etc), and goes: Let's just pretend we are there already. Any effort spent building anything else is a waste since it won't be part of the final product. This is obviously stupid, as a social media platform can never be a self-contained system. Aramis fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Nov 14, 2022 |
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Nov 14, 2022 19:11
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I don’t think there is a realistic way to move past adds without replacing it with something that’s just as annoying or maybe worse
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Nov 14, 2022 19:12
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Maybe he thought this one was one he could solve himself. Not hiring business professionals to run it day to day, but stepping in, taking the reins and showing everyone how much internet techboom know-how he gained at Paypal. Really show that he's more than just a big-promising investor. Prove he has the big boy business skills that will make his ex understand just how great a person he is.
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Nov 14, 2022 19:16
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  Lance.
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Well the alternative is charging users to use the platform which tends to self limit as you run out of people who wants to register. Look at SA for instance. It was huge when the internet was small and now is slowly contracting.
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Nov 14, 2022 19:17
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Drone_Fragger posted:Well the alternative is charging users to use the platform which tends to self limit as you run out of people who wants to register. Look at SA for instance. It was huge when the internet was small and now is slowly contracting. This site is a reverse Goatse.
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Aramis posted:I think Musk has correctly identified that ad-centrism is the root cause of most of what makes social medias awful. Mind you, like all of his "insights", it's something that a lot of actual serious and believable people have been saying for years. The ultimate goal of weaning off twitter from ad revenue, or at least the current dynamics of it, somehow is something that is 100% needed. But he wants ad revenue. He's been telling advertises that everything is business as usual and they should totally keep giving him money
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Nov 14, 2022 19:18
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mobby_6kl posted:But he wants ad revenue. He's been telling advertises that everything is business as usual and they should totally keep giving him money I mean, at the very least half of this sentence is a bald-faced lie, so I wouldn't give much credence to the rest.
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Side note/random question: Has the SA forums been seeing any uptick in new users with people leaving Twitter? Some little part of my dumb brain would love to see a huge influx of twitter refugees to this site. Someone needs to get to recruiting!
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Nov 14, 2022 19:21
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Here you go, the worst yet. 
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Aramis posted:I think Musk has correctly identified that ad-centrism is the root cause of most of what makes social medias awful. Mind you, like all of his "insights", it's something that a lot of actual serious and believable people have been saying for years. The ultimate goal of weaning off twitter from ad revenue, or at least the current dynamics of it, somehow is something that is 100% needed. The fact Twitter has only turned a profit in 2 quarters in 16 years of being incorporated suggests quite clearly to me that the problem of monetising the service to a sufficient level is enormous. Frankly, if Musk had only paid the going rate for Twitter - estimated to be ~$8b - he'd still be facing trying to reinvent a loss-making company in a way no one prior to him in 16 years had conceived of. As it is, with debt servicing at ~$1b a year, it seems like an entirely impossible task. Your average Twitter user is not going to pay anything at all to consume the content, much like how they don't when using YouTube, etc. Ads are pretty much the only way to coax any money out of the hundred million odd actual users who post nothing at all.
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Roblo posted:Here you go, the worst yet. lol, and, lmao
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Roblo posted:Here you go, the worst yet. You know, at first, I thought that the FBI did not have an official panty raid department. However, they are verified, so I guess they are credible and their opinions are valid. Good on Elon for following directions from a government agency for once. Aramis fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Nov 14, 2022 |
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Nov 14, 2022 19:30
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Roblo posted:Here you go, the worst yet. Advertisers are gonna love verifying accounts as bots by determining if said account talked poo poo to the fat kid Nazi murderer
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Nov 14, 2022 19:32
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Roblo posted:Here you go, the worst yet. jeeeeesus loving christ lmao
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Outrail posted:https://twitter.com/dogeofficialceo/status/1592187054892503040 Jesus Christ the stans and chuds in that thread just cheering Elon on as he burns it all down. Revins posted:I really really dislike this elon muska fella, he seems like an rear end in a top hat He doesn't just seem like an rear end in a top hat... He's the real deal. Sydney Bottocks posted:Or to put it more succinctly: Hanlon's Razor is always in effect. Jesus, it's alive!
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Roblo posted:Here you go, the worst yet. So is Rittenhouse saying he's going to kill journalists 'in minecraft' basically?
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Nov 14, 2022 19:38
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 Literally got fired for saying "You're wrong".
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Roblo posted:Here you go, the worst yet. Never mind the "verified" bullshit, Kyle, my dude, any seething hatred directed at you is very well informed and VERY rational.
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I wonder if Elon thinks he's being subtle about his shift toward right-wing mouthpiece. On one hand it's massively obviously because he's only boosting moronic conservative talking points, but at the same time he seems to be hedging all of his statements like "it really makes you think about things..." rather than just coming out and saying the Dems suck, as if he's fooling everyone by not being too blatantly partisan.
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Nov 14, 2022 19:39
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crime weed posted:the screenshot version:
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Ror posted:I wonder if Elon thinks he's being subtle about his shift toward right-wing mouthpiece. That ship sailed a long time ago. He's been explicit about the left in general, and Dems in particular, sucking for a while now. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144 If he's fooling anyone at this point, it's mostly himself.
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elon this is your lawyer. me and your other investors are begging you: keep posting this poo poo
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Elon sure post in response to a lot of questionable people on the right.
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doesn't this guy have a few businesses to run or dozens of kids to spend time with instead of posting to twitter all day?
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Why would he pay attention to people who disagree with him?
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:elon this is your lawyer
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. me and your other investors are begging you: keep posting this poo poo
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Yeah, I know nothing about the kind of systems something like twitter uses, but I spent a good while working in games QA, and one thing I learned along the way is that if things are working, don't start stripping out code that apparently does nothing, it never ends well. Once place I worked, they found something that literally appeared not to interact with anything else, and seemingly had no function at all. They took it out and every loving thing broke. It was like some kind of talisman.
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*stoking beard* Ah, and right on cue we see a preemptive puppetmaster defence. How droll. e: loving lol. My staff turn up when they feel like it and poo poo gets done. They're not working a production line who cares (control freaks. Control freaks give a poo poo). Outrail fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Nov 14, 2022 |
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Outrail posted:https://twitter.com/dogeofficialceo/status/1592187054892503040 ...How is this clown real? It's like a 4chan algorithm gave birth to a person  Does Twitter have amy advertisers left?
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TulliusCicero posted:...How is this clown real? Tesla and Star Link just purchased their first ever twitter ads! Twitter is gaining new advertisers it is growing!
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don’t think there is a realistic way to move past adds without replacing it with something that’s just as annoying or maybe worse Oh, there is, but it results in an expensive product that doesn't work well in an economy which is chasing growth potential more than profits or just plain old growth. If you have a lot of users and your platform is based on ads (or selling user data), you have the potential of reaching every single user in the world and monetizing that. You don't need to be profitable, just make the markets believe you can turn a lot of users into money at some point in the future. A platform based on a monthly subscription is quite obviously not something you can sell to everyone in the world. Even if the company is profitable and/or has decent growth - that kind of business model isn't really interesting to investors, unless they believe the growth can somehow be leveraged into monetizing the size of the user base. So moving past ads requires a more sane economy that doesn't have such an absurd fixation on potential. In a world where investors look for companies that are profitable right now, non-ad services can thrive more easily. In other words, when we hit a recession or at the least get an economy with a better balance of capital and assets, we can move past ad and hype-driven companies. As for Twitter - I think it's a good idea to make it profitable right now - I assume that is what Elon Musk is trying to do. It's going to cost him a fortune to do so - and I'm not sure it's helpful to be so openly antagonistic in public, but hey it's his billions to waste. I think ads will be part of creating profitable social media - sadly so - because most people won't pay the subscription fees or micropayments necessary to avoid ads. But I do think there is a future for ad-free social media, at the very least as an opt-in. I do not think there is a future for "you are the product" - except as a very low profitability sector with massive competition and eventually a host of distributed technologies will appear that make the currently dominant "type" of social media companies obsolete.
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