|
What is the most powerful flying bug? This poll is closed. |
|||
|---|---|---|---|
| 🦋 |
|
15 | 3.71% |
| 🦇 |
|
115 | 28.47% |
| 🪰 |
|
12 | 2.97% |
| 🐦 |
|
67 | 16.58% |
| dragonfly |
|
94 | 23.27% |
| 🦟 |
|
14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
|
87 | 21.53% |
| Total: | 404 votes | ||
|
Putin should gently caress off. Sad pathetic loser
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:41
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 05:13 |
|
|
Hadlock posted:Is there a link to this somewhere, like, I'm not surprised to find this out but it's strange that in 1997 the US decided to back bill the Vietnamese government for the Vietnam war; you'd think they would challenge it on statue of limitations ending in, what 1982 maybe. Additional information would be helpful understanding this with whom would you challenge it? the US is the law and they say pay up
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:41
|
|
|
mlmp08 posted:The US and world leaders have developed a system where annexing a government means the creditors can go after the new owner of the annexed territory (This clearly can be used to financially punish nations that succeed in war against nations the US supports / saddles with debts). Then on top of that, US law prohibits some types of aid to countries defaulting on unsettled debt. Ok this makes a lot more sense thanks for explaining
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:42
|
|
|
RWA extremely mad that Russia won't formally declare war on NATO and attack them for their material support of Ukraine https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1592504259203182592
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:42
|
|
|
Buffer posted:with whom would you challenge it? the US is the law and they say pay up but vietnam had ~agency~
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:42
|
|
|
mlmp08 posted:I took issue with you misrepresenting Luna Oi’s claims. You’d get corrected less often if you weren’t so frequently wrong about basic facts and events. ACHSKHULLY US officals say the debt doesn't cover bombs so good job doing a dizinformationia
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:43
|
|
|
please don't deny Le Duan's lived experience as a Vietnxmese
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:43
|
|
|
Irl lol on the "ACTUALLY you're dismissing vietnamese agency".
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:46
|
|
|
It’s always worth checking the University of Kansas Press for military history stuff like this, and I knew they had a well-reviewed book on the economy of South Vietnam. So, let’s see what they spent all that money on: Diem's Final Failure: Prelude to America's War in Vietnam Often portrayed as an inept and stubborn tyrant, South Vietnamese president Ngo Dinh Diem has long been the subject of much derision but little understanding. Philip Catton’s penetrating study provides a much more complex portrait of Diem as both a devout patriot and a failed architect of modernization. In doing so, it sheds new light on a controversial regime. Catton treats the Diem government on its own terms rather than as an appendage of American policy. Focusing on the decade from Dien Bien Phu to Diem’s assassination in 1963, he examines the Vietnamese leader’s nation-building and reform efforts—particularly his Strategic Hamlet Program, which sought to separate guerrilla insurgents from the peasantry and build grassroots support for his regime. Catton’s evaluation of the collapse of that program offers fresh insights into both Diem’s limitations as a leader and the ideological and organizational weaknesses of his government, while his assessment of the evolution of Washington’s relations with Saigon provides new insight into America’s growing involvement in the Vietnamese civil war. Focusing on the Strategic Hamlet Program in Binh Duong province as an exemplar of Diem’s efforts, Catton paints the Vietnamese leader as a progressive thinker trying to simultaneously defeat the communists and modernize his nation. He draws on a wealth of Vietnamese language sources to argue that Diem possessed a firm vision of nation-building and sought to overcome the debilitating dependence that reliance on American support threatened to foster. As Catton shows, however, Diem’s plans for South Vietnam clashed with those of the United States and proved no match for the Vietnamese communists. Catton analyzes the mutually frustrating interactions between Diem and the administrations of Eisenhower and Kennedy, highlighting personality and cultural clashes, as well as specific disagreements within the American government over how to deal with Diem’s programs and his hostility toward American goals. Revealing patterns in this uneasy alliance that have eluded other observers, he also clarifies many of the problems, setbacks, and miscalculations experienced by the communist movement during that era. Neither an American puppet, as communist propaganda claimed, nor a backward-looking mandarin, according to Western accounts, Catton’s Diem is a tragic figure who finally ran out of time, just a few weeks before JFK’s assassination and at a moment when it still seemed possible for America to avoid war.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:46
|
|
|
crepeface posted:ACHSKHULLY US officals say the debt doesn't cover bombs so good job doing a dizinformationia Not believing the CIA is denying the agency of the Vietnamese people
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:47
|
|
|
Everyone was so happy two days ago and now everyone is fighting, it is so sad 
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:48
|
|
|
speng31b posted:RWA extremely mad that Russia won't formally declare war on NATO and attack them for their material support of Ukraine Sorry, this is the Vietnam thread now.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:48
|
|
|
Hmm the US deliberately undermined the RVN to encourage economic dependence that’s weird. Bodes well for Ukraine, which if you remember, is receiving military aid as loans, not grants.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:49
|
|
|
Ardennes posted:Everyone was so happy two days ago and now everyone is fighting, it is so sad War is back baby 
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:49
|
|
|
Ardennes posted:Everyone was so happy two days ago and now everyone is fighting, it is so sad this is the war thread
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:50
|
|
|
anyway, it's mostly dumping on mlmp, which is pretty standard for the thread
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:51
|
|
|
speng31b posted:Seems like Russia ramped up missile strikes on energy infrastructure today, and a few hit Kyiv that seemed to target their government/residential district where the embassies are. That was the first wave of missiles, now's it's supposedly a second wave of "drones".
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:53
|
|
|
Pistol_Pete posted:Sorry, this is the Vietnam thread now.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:54
|
|
|
Does Ukraine have a historical grudge against Vietnam too?
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:56
|
|
|
crepeface posted:anyway, it's mostly dumping on mlmp, which is pretty standard for the thread It’s just the precision of language and tedium imo tbh, he seems alright otherwise. Good posting has an erreur circulaire probable.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:57
|
|
|
Lostconfused posted:That was the first wave of missiles, now's it's supposedly a second wave of "drones". I guess it would make more sense to go after priority targets with missiles, see where vulnerabilities exist, and follow up with cheap drones. It does seem pretty expansive across the country with Lvov taking hits. Frosted Flake posted:It’s just the precision of language and tedium imo tbh, he seems alright otherwise. Good posting has an erreur circulaire probable. Everyone has got a fetish
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:57
|
|
|
Crymetimeboys posted:Does Ukraine have a historical grudge against Vietnam too? I believe - don’t quote me on this - that Poland and Ukraine provided the Eastern Bloc contingent to the Paris Accords monitoring group (ICCS?). I know Canada provided the Western contingent but not much more beyond that, though, just references to Poles and Ukrainians.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 16:59
|
|
|
a missle is just a very fast drone
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:00
|
|
|
Frosted Flake posted:It’s just the precision of language and tedium imo tbh, he seems alright otherwise. Good posting has an erreur circulaire probable. I think the war thread understands the importance of conserving strength and picking battles instead of fighting at every possible opportunity.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:00
|
|
|
Uh, does anyone know more about ICCS, because what the gently caress is this: “On 7 April 1973 in Quảng Trị Province, near Route 9, two ICCS helicopters operated by Air America were targeted by People's Army of Vietnam air-defense units. One was hit by anti-aircraft machine-gun fire and managed to land without casualties, the other was struck by a SA-7 missile, leaving no survivors. The helicopters were carrying teams on inspection, and therefore the casualties came from all four contributing nations, plus the contracted aircrew.” Why were the impartial international observers contracting the CIA cover airline to visit sites in Vietnam during a US bombing campaign?
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:02
|
|
|
Crymetimeboys posted:Does Ukraine have a historical grudge against Vietnam too? Vietnam is host to an enormous Russian sub base just outside a city you'd mistake for Miami if the sand weren't beige yellow instead of white It's possible a not tiny group of Ukrainians have a grudge from their naval Soviet years, although how I don't know. The last time I was there was in the winter and all the Russians seemed really happy to be on the beach in shorts rather than freezing their rear end off back in Moscow
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:02
|
|
|
Frosted Flake posted:Why were the impartial international observers contracting the CIA cover airline to visit sites in Vietnam during a US bombing campaign? the international observers were likely not impartial
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:04
|
|
|
Frosted Flake posted:It’s just the precision of language and tedium imo tbh, he seems alright otherwise. Good posting has an erreur circulaire probable. maybe, but i only ever notice him doing the ACKSHUALLY thing with narratives that err on making the US/west to be fair i usually skip over his posts
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:05
|
|
|
gradenko_2000 posted:now you're expanding your argument from "the Vietnamese government didn't literally pay for the bombs dropped on them" over to "the Vietnamese government didn't pay for the war waged on them, however indirectly", which I would disagree with Bill Clinton just shook down the Vietnamese govt to fund a quick McDonald's run, McRib was back
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:07
|
|
|
Hadlock posted:Vietnam is host to an enormous Russian sub base just outside a city you'd mistake for Miami if the sand weren't beige yellow instead of white They're just as likely to Russian as Ukrainian.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:09
|
|
|
Does Ukraine have a sub base in Vietnam? Honestly curious
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:13
|
|
|
Hadlock posted:Does Ukraine have a sub base in Vietnam? Honestly curious i would be very surprised if ukraine had any submarines at all
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:18
|
|
|
crepeface posted:i would be very surprised if ukraine had any submarines at all didn't the UK give them one to blow up the pipelines with
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:19
|
|
|
https://mfa.gov.ua/news/dmitro-kuleba-proviv-zustrich-z-ministrom-zakordonnih-sprav-socialistichnoyi-respubliki-vyetnam-buj-sonomquote:Dmytro Kuleba: "On the sidelines of the ASEAN Summit in Phnom Penh, I met with Vietnamese Foreign Minister Bui Thanh Son to discuss strengthening bilateral cooperation between our countries. We also focused on the Black Sea Grain Initiative and its vital role in ensuring food security in Asia."
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:21
|
|
|
gradenko_2000 posted:didn't the UK give them one to blow up the pipelines with   
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:22
|
|
|
gradenko_2000 posted:didn't the UK give them one to blow up the pipelines with give? that was another lending program that the new ukrainian state is going to have to go into debt for
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:24
|
|
|
mlmp08 posted:The US and world leaders have developed a system where annexing a government means the creditors can go after the new owner of the annexed territory (This clearly can be used to financially punish nations that succeed in war against nations the US supports / saddles with debts). Then on top of that, US law prohibits some types of aid to countries defaulting on unsettled debt. if you posted like this more, i wouldn't scroll past your posts.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:25
|
|
|
Submarines don't exist. Have you ever seen one?
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:26
|
|
|
I really wonder what's going on in the sidelines of the G20, is Xi Jinping giving putin the 'you screwed it you dummy' speech, what are the non white countries thinking? what's america and europe saying to the folks, it's very interesting!
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:31
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 05:13 |
|
|
Hahahaha the race scientists are at it again https://twitter.com/Codeym369/status/1592317521222569985
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2022 17:33
|
|