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DC Murderverse posted:Of all of the options I think Makoto is the one who won’t ever be able to find someone to compliment her better than Joker, she’s a narc who needs someone to encourage her to not be a narc without being an rear end in a top hat. i think the same is probably true of Yusuke too because he needs someone to tether him to the real world which I think Joker helps him with Minus the police stuff, Makoto is basically "literally every girl I was into during high school and college." It was literally always an academic overachiever one year older than me. Yusuke bugs me as a character because, outside of his intro arc, the game usually makes him into a comic relief. It's a shame, because there are aspects to his character I really like. Lord_Magmar posted:It's specifically only Haru and Kasumi who clearly have a romantic attraction to Joker, Ann and Makoto could be read that way, and Futaba's whole thing is well a thing, but Haru and Kasumi are clearly crushing on the boy in their respective "romance or not options". Ann definitely does; she gets kind of awkward and quickly flees immediately after you give the platonic dialogue option. But you're right about Makoto; I just checked hers and she's basically fine with it. The Kasumi one actually doesn't bother me specifically because she directly confesses to you and when you say "let's just be friends" it's a direct response to that.
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so I'm about halfway through the second palace in my replay of persona 5, and man, the writing just doesn't hold up imo. it just seems like a game at war with itself and its own main themes. like an obvious part is how the first (and best written bad guy) is all about sexual harassment, and using your power over people in an inappropriate way, and then several of the romances involve that very thing. basically every adult one, and futaba also being extremely egregious. another thing is the phantom thieves outfits, like is it how other people see it or how they see themselves? I also really am not feeling the main cast at all, other than ryuji. it seems to me that a lot of their personalities change between their introduction cutscene, and their role for the rest of the game. Like yusuke becomes basically "wierdo who can't function at all socially", whereas his personality was pretty different (and much cooler) in his introductory palace. most of the phantom thieves are like that. also, morgana is 100x more annoying than teddie. lol, literally viewing ann as an object and only liking her because of her looks, literally in the palace of the guy who's a bad guy for doing that. it's weird that teddie has the "rep" of being a sexually harassing wierdo, whereas in my eyes morgana is way worse. also the way that ryuji and morgana talk to each other bums me out so much. they have no respect for one another and are just using each other to reach their own ends. for me (and many others) what was best about p4 was the friendly enviorment of the cast, which is largely missing in p5. there's much more focus on the "plot" which is badly written itself. lol, theres plenty of good things about the game, the music, and there are really awesome moments I had forgotten (I loved yusukes mask off moment, for instance), but so far Royal has not changed my mind that 5 is way below 4 and 3. to end with a question (that I think I know the answer to) is there any way to hide the drat dlc personas in the compendium? so annoying having to scroll past them every time you open it. I really wish they let us choose which dlc to activate.
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Mirello posted:another thing is the phantom thieves outfits, like is it how other people see it or how they see themselves? From what I gathered, the costumes are supposed to represent each character's idea of what a "rebel" looks like, whatever the word itself means to them.
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Ugh. I missed picking up Charge from the Jazz Club on 9/4. My saves are either 8/1 and an entire dungeon behind or 9/6 where I've missed it by two days. 
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This kinda poo poo is why I developed a system for rotating save slots in nu-Persona. Save in a new slot every day until the end of the current week, and keep a save from the start of each week in the current month, then also keep a save from the start of each month. I look like a madman, but I never miss anything.
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Son of a Vondruke! posted:Ugh. I missed picking up Charge from the Jazz Club on 9/4. My saves are either 8/1 and an entire dungeon behind or 9/6 where I've missed it by two days. There's an accessory that will allow you to use Charge as a skill - it's obtained by getting the Will Seeds from the 7th Palace and having Jose upgrade this.
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I think the funniest part in P5 is when Yusuke texts everyone about his research on Medjed I will never not say "Well done."
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Joker: It seems like Alibaba used a computer to access my messenger app without leaving an phone number to trace back to. Yusuke: *thinking extremely hard* Could this be the phenomenon known as hacking?
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AG3 posted:From what I gathered, the costumes are supposed to represent each character's idea of what a "rebel" looks like, whatever the word itself means to them. And then they dress Ann in an outfit that she is clearly uncomfortable with – look the game is written by the straightest guy ever.
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Neeksy posted:And then they dress Ann in an outfit that she is clearly uncomfortable with – look the game is written by the straightest guy ever. And then in her S.Link she says her role model is Fujiko Mine so 
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The characterization is not exactly consistent in 5, and I think it might be because that game had an extended production with rewrites and retoolings, but by someone completely out of their depth.
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Ann's level of comfort is directly related to the perception of power between herself and the people who are seeing her as sexy, it's actually somewhat consistent characterisation. When Ann is in control, wanting to look good for others, she's happy (see the beach where she very clearly appreciates Ryuji's interest). When Ann isn't in control, or isn't feeling sexy, she dislikes it (the cutscene in the desert is an example where she gets mad at Ryuji). Ann's feelings on her outfit match, she dislikes it when others oggle her when she isn't prepared for it, but she's actually pretty happy with it after that because it reflects the villainesses she was inspired by as a younger girl. But also yeah, that doesn't necessarily make it good writing, just a consistent characterisation that might not be immediately obvious. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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I have this theory that Futaba was supposed to be younger, but then they wanted more romance so she got aged up. If you put her lines on a literal child it makes more sense. it also makes sense given in her dungeon she's depicted as much smaller than her mom, but her death was only two years prior, when Futaba was 13.
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Maybe she's just a womanlet
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She subsists entirely off of Monster and curry, her growth is stunted.
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futaba's taller than her Japanese VA e: https://twitter.com/batsugeemu/status/853999830036873216 Motto fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Lord_Magmar posted:Ann's level of comfort is directly related to the perception of power between herself and the people who are seeing her as sexy, it's actually somewhat consistent characterisation. When Ann is in control, wanting to look good for others, she's happy (see the beach where she very clearly appreciates Ryuji's interest). When Ann isn't in control, or isn't feeling sexy, she dislikes it (the cutscene in the desert is an example where she gets mad at Ryuji). I think it is at least reasonable writing. Enjoying being beautiful or sexy doesn't mean you are okay with losing control or being exploited. You can like wearing cute outfits and still be creeped out by someone perving on you. You can enjoy wearing sexy cosplay and still be freaked out if someone tries to make you even if you like the outfit.
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I laugh every time Ann uses her sexy distract ability in the middle of a fight and the floating ball of eldritch horror goes "Sayyyyy...."
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futaba is not socially deprived. she Posts frequently
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Feels Villeneuve posted:futaba is not socially deprived. she Posts frequently the question is whether futaba is a superstar poster, or repeatedly gets her accounts banned by Posting Too Hard 
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Weird Pumpkin posted:the question is whether futaba is a superstar poster, or repeatedly gets her accounts banned by Posting Too Hard I don't think there's a forum on earth that could stop Futaba from posting, to be quite honest.
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Futaba re-reg spottet.
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Whether Ann likes the fact she's physically appealing or not, I very much dislike how it's like 90% of her characterization outside her social link.
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remember when people thought they were gonna do interesting things with ann, ryuji, and yusuke because they were basically modern versions of lisa, eikichi and jun
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Actually in retrospect I’m kind of shocked that at no point in Persona 5 is the fact that Ann is a model used to comment on modeling as a whole or the people who work in the industry. No creepy photogs or skeezy jobs, she’s not being exploited beyond the usual bounds of capitalism, the conflicts she has are either internal (“is this really what I want to long term?”) or dealing with competition within the field, which isn’t really exclusive to modeling.
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DC Murderverse posted:Actually in retrospect I’m kind of shocked that at no point in Persona 5 is the fact that Ann is a model used to comment on modeling as a whole or the people who work in the industry. No creepy photogs or skeezy jobs, she’s not being exploited beyond the usual bounds of capitalism, the conflicts she has are either internal (“is this really what I want to long term?”) or dealing with competition within the field, which isn’t really exclusive to modeling. Tokyo Mirage Sessions has what you want but went the direction of Gravure Teens being good actually so I'm glad they didn't do more of that with Ann.
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Waste of Breath posted:Tokyo Mirage Sessions has what you want but went the direction of Gravure Teens being good actually so I'm glad they didn't do more of that with Ann. That and Rise were the two things that came to mind to contrast it with (along with so much American media about models). I actually played some of TMS earlier this year but I didn’t get *that* far, kinda want to look at spoilers to see how they get to that particular outcome.
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The English censorship of Tokyo Mirage Sessions changed that (for the better, honestly, the arc makes a lot more sense in the new release and the changed outfit kicks rear end)
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Arist posted:The English censorship of Tokyo Mirage Sessions changed that (for the better, honestly, the arc makes a lot more sense in the new release and the changed outfit kicks rear end) Agree, but Tsubasa's nervousness/freakout makes zero sense until you realize it used to be a Gravure shoot. And then it's super uncomfortable.
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actually managed to max out Akechi's confidant level before end of November!... As someone who only got up to the start of the Casino palace in Vanilla, I didn't have any ideas besides "maybe it was Morgana or Mishima lol" for who betrays you. With the additional Akechi Confidant route in this one, they couldn't be clearer about how the character is a loving psychopath (asking you first to maybe leave your team, then the Mementos duel.) I figured maybe it was a normal "rival" back and forth for the Mementos thing, but the sudden outburst into the "I hate you SO much" poo poo was genuinely shocking lol..
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DLC Inc posted:actually managed to max out Akechi's confidant level before end of November!... One of the funniest (unintentionally I'm pretty sure) parts of the original P5 release related to your spoiler is that (spoiler for the next part of their plot, but being as intentionally vague as I can be) Akechi also turns out to be a psycho in the base game. But after they resolve that plot basically off screen literally no one mentions him again for the rest of the game, despite it being a Big Moment. It's super bizarre  . Honestly I can't wait to see differences in that event because it was very strange
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Weird Pumpkin posted:One of the funniest (unintentionally I'm pretty sure) parts of the original P5 release related to your spoiler is that (spoiler for the next part of their plot, but being as intentionally vague as I can be) Akechi also turns out to be a psycho in the base game. But after they resolve that plot basically off screen literally no one mentions him again for the rest of the game, despite it being a Big Moment. It's super bizarre that's pretty funny considering that in Vanilla, there's almost no Akechi content besides him showing up at the coffee bar drinking cups like a dick. Zero buildup for the kind of person he is and what's to come later with the story. I do have to give credit to the game here though: I didn't really expect this lol
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Royal did a lot to improve the base game and one of the most obvious examples is what they did with Akechi. That duel caught me completely off guard in the best way possible
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A fun trick is that after you win the duel, Daymond switches to his more off-kilter speaking cadence that Akechi otherwise doesn't use outside of his breakdown in Shidou's palace and in the third semester. Handicap or not, Akechi is livid Joker smoked him in the duel to the point his perfect mask slips for a bit.
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Being able to do that in Royal was a very nice bonus. Throughly look forward to it, as brief as it is, on replays.
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Sydin posted:A fun trick is that after you win the duel, Daymond switches to his more off-kilter speaking cadence that Akechi otherwise doesn't use outside of his breakdown in Shidou's palace and in the third semester. Handicap or not, Akechi is livid Joker smoked him in the duel to the point his perfect mask slips for a bit. What did he expect? I mean my Joker's default persona had nulls against literally all of his elements.
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"It's hosed up that old guys in politics just do whatever they want" - The World's Most Evil Man, Coincidentally An Old Guy In Politics, Unironically.
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Pwnstar posted:"It's hosed up that old guys in politics just do whatever they want" - The World's Most Evil Man, Coincidentally An Old Guy In Politics, Unironically. Tora isn't that evil...
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If only they hadn't done such a story botch job in the base game experience, I probably would be more willing to give Royale another shot rather than wait for that team to make their own from the bottom up in P6 if/when that sees the light of day.
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YaketySass posted:Tora isn't that evil... Yeah, he's like no good at most.
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