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If Gene hadn't been so insistent on having the bridge on the top, then they could've just put the main bridge in the hull section. Even otherwise, they should've had the battle bridge be just the main bridge with a few bits swapped. Maybe have it so you can pull out the horseshoe and drop in a bigger tactical console. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Even if they didn’t show the separation, they would still have to pull apart (and use) the 6ft model to film other effects while separated. This is all for something that wouldn’t make a narrative difference.
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Nov 16, 2022 06:52
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Another problem I don't see pointed out often is that the engineering hall is uggo without the saucer. It looks terrible.
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Nov 16, 2022 06:59
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MikeJF posted:If Gene hadn't been so insistent on having the bridge on the top, then they could've just put the main bridge in the hull section. I find it mildly hilarious with that thought in mind that in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline where the bridge is specifically called out as the CIC, they didn't use the battle bridge set or imply that the CIC was actually buried in the middle of the saucer or where the battle bridge is to reflect a more militarized mindset of the divergence timeline Federation. That was always one of the things Ron Moore crowed about on BSG was how much smarter the Colonials were compared to Starfleet because the CIC on Galactica was as close to the volumetric middle of the ship as it could get for safety purposes.
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Nov 16, 2022 07:05
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There should have been an episode where the phaser bank at the top of the engineering hull accidentally blasts a hole right through the saucer
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Nov 16, 2022 07:05
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CPColin posted:There should have been an episode where the phaser bank at the top of the engineering hull accidentally blasts a hole right through the saucer That would have made the USS Yamato's destruction even more terrifying 
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Nov 16, 2022 07:10
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nine-gear crow posted:I find it mildly hilarious with that thought in mind that in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline where the bridge is specifically called out as the CIC, they didn't use the battle bridge set or imply that the CIC was actually buried in the middle of the saucer or where the battle bridge is to reflect a more militarized mindset of the divergence timeline Federation. Yesterday's Enterprise was already fairly expensive and they would have had to rebuild the battle bridge flats; the set skeleton was still around, but the old movie-bridge walls that the battle bridge was converted from for Farpoint and Arsenal of Freedom were inadvertently destroyed when they were left outside and a freak storm hit and soaked everything.
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Nov 16, 2022 07:39
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nine-gear crow posted:I find it mildly hilarious with that thought in mind that in the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline where the bridge is specifically called out as the CIC, they didn't use the battle bridge set or imply that the CIC was actually buried in the middle of the saucer or where the battle bridge is to reflect a more militarized mindset of the divergence timeline Federation. That was always one of the things Ron Moore crowed about on BSG was how much smarter the Colonials were compared to Starfleet because the CIC on Galactica was as close to the volumetric middle of the ship as it could get for safety purposes. Smart enough to shield their command center, not smart enough to detect androids that light up when they orgasm....
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Nov 16, 2022 07:44
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Yesterday's Enterprise was already fairly expensive and they would have had to rebuild the battle bridge flats; the set skeleton was still around, but the old movie-bridge walls that the battle bridge was converted from for Farpoint and Arsenal of Freedom were inadvertently destroyed when they were left outside and a freak storm hit and soaked everything.
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Nov 16, 2022 08:19
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nine-gear crow posted:That would have made the USS Yamato's destruction even more terrifying Yamato should have done that at warp. You could still use the model of the saucer melting away for it!
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Nov 16, 2022 08:23
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LividLiquid posted:They built so many sets. So, so many. They built bridges for tons of ships. Almost every one of those was the battle bridge set redressed, which was itself a refurbishment of the movie bridge set. (Indeed, the reason the battle bridge changed so much between Farpoint and BoBW was that the movie bridge set had to be reconstructed between 5 and 6). It was also the courtroom, the cybernetics lab, a few other things... They basically only had a few sets like that, which got slightly modified each time for all of the episode-to-episode sets. The TMP bridge/Battle Bridge was in use up to the end of Voyager, it was in active use for something like 25 years. (The Defiant bridge became a bunch of generic alien bridges and rooms on Voyager too) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Nov 16, 2022 08:24
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There is nothing cooler to a 7 year old than the concept of a Battle Bridge.
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Angry Salami posted:Smart enough to shield their command center, not smart enough to detect androids that light up when they orgasm....
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END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:So they should have made everyone orgasm to prove they're not Cylons? I feel like that would have been a very different show. Gaius Baltar is smacking his forehead right now.
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Nov 16, 2022 15:35
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Mirrored ceilings are lostech.
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END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:So they should have made everyone orgasm to prove they're not Cylons? I feel like that would have been a very different show. They build a gently caress machine to test it but it immediately decides the cylons were right
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Nov 16, 2022 16:00
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Hollismason posted:It makes sense from Starfleets view to have families on board starships because the Enterprise isn't a warship. Its all about exploration and first contact situations. They're coming from the mindframe that Starfleet is not a military organization. i wouldn't stick kids on a long distance explorer/first contact vehicle either.
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LividLiquid posted:They built so many sets. So, so many. They built bridges for tons of ships. There isn't a good reason why they couldn't have built a new battle bridge set even for just one episode, but when you factor in the fact that they could've reused it for several seasons afterward, the only thing that makes sense is that they'd also need to do visual effects for every saucer separation and that's when the math met the money. Sure, there were other ship bridge sets dressed for other episodes - Yesterday's Enterprise already had one with the Enterprise C! But time and money were limited quantities for TNG and there may simply have not been any left to re-do the Enterprise D battle bridge. Actually as I was writing this I realized, they probably used that battle bridge set for the Enterprise C, so using it for the D would have entailed more production difficulties. Plus, I rather suspect the writers/producers really wanted to see a darker take on the main bridge rather than just sticking the cast in a wholly different set, and I can't blame them for that either.
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skasion posted:They build a gently caress machine
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Actually as I was writing this I realized, they probably used that battle bridge set for the Enterprise C Yep!
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Nov 16, 2022 16:51
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List of set reuse with a big section for the Enterprise Refit/Battle Bridge. https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/reused_ship_interiors.htm
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zoux posted:On TV they're barely in space but in the movies they take great joy in exploding corridors and sucking people out into vacuum and for that reason I think that children should not be on starships that get into shenangians on a weekly basis. Because the only way to die in space is horrifically. (exceptions if they are actually officers who have been turned into children by a transporter thing or an omniscient entity.) Its also a problem of being a TV show, we only see the parts where stuff happens. Because following a supply ship USS North Atlantic hauling medical equipment to colonies in 2-3 sectors, and bulk containers of rare metals back to spacedock, for 35+ years in a row until it doesn't pass the space-worthiness inspection anymore and is scrapped for parts and recycled for metals and plastics isn't really interesting.
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MikeJF posted:They basically only had a few sets like that, which got slightly modified each time for all of the episode-to-episode sets. The TMP bridge/Battle Bridge was in use up to the end of Voyager, it was in active use for something like 25 years. (The Defiant bridge became a bunch of generic alien bridges and rooms on Voyager too) Edit: I think what's happening here is some peeps are explaining the rationale the creators had and I'm saying I think *they* were wrong. Not the people saying why they did what they did. There is no good reason why we couldn't have seen the battle bridge more often. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Der Kyhe posted:Its also a problem of being a TV show, we only see the parts where stuff happens. I think it's interesting ._.
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LividLiquid posted:
Other than the fact that it adds no narrative value to the story at best and slows down the story at worst. 3/4ths of the time the Enterprise stumbles into an issue without prior warning due to story pacing and dramatic tension where there wouldn't even be time to separate the ship. It was a neat idea for an SFX showcase in the pilot, but the concept rarely made sense to explore in the show itself. As far as the bridge being more protected, I question that as a strategy when you have directed energy weapons and antimatter weapons that shrug off physical structure if the shields are down. In the end, it was a smaller, less detailed set that would have been harder to shoot on that would have really only been used to satisfy the saucer separation concept.
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It is really funny how much of a huge deal it was that the D could separate and they only every did it four times. How many s1 scripts had saucer separation sequences before the accountants were like "knock it off"
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The answer was simple; give the bridge crew a Voltron-esque sequence of dramatically sliding through a tube to the Battle Bridge and being dumped perfectly into place ready for action every time the shields went up. They were cowards for robbing us of this.
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i never want my D to separate, thank you
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zoux posted:It is really funny how much of a huge deal it was that the D could separate and they only every did it four times. How many s1 scripts had saucer separation sequences before the accountants were like "knock it off" 2
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The answer was simple; give the bridge crew a Voltron-esque sequence of dramatically sliding through a tube to the Battle Bridge and being dumped perfectly into place ready for action every time the shields went up. And somehow they come out of the slide dressed in their special Battle Uniforms!
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How much does it cost to do poo poo? They had a budget of over a million per episode.
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wesleywillis posted:How much does it cost to do poo poo? They had a budget of over a million per episode.
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Apparently it wasn't so much a cost thing, as that's why they filmed the SFX shot of the separation in the pilot, so they could just reuse those when ever they needed, spending 15-20 seconds on showing that often just messes with the pacing of the show, particularly as usually when they would want to do it, would be an action/tense scene where you really don't want to be cutting away to unimportant stuff.
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This all started because somebody asked how families on a ship that frequently sees combat works. That's why they did the saucer thing and I just think it's a shame they didn't use it more often. It could've been a never-more-than-once-per-season "OH poo poo THIS IS GETTING SERIOUS" device and it would've worked really well for that.
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Didn't help that the drive section looked really weird without the saucer.
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Burning_Monk posted:Didn't help that the drive section looked really weird without the saucer. yeah it should have been designed to actually look good too bad the execs didn't tell probert that they wanted to split at the neck before he finished designing the overall concept lol
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wesleywillis posted:How much does it cost to do poo poo? They had a budget of over a million per episode. The majority of that million is standing costs that they always have to pay no matter what the episode is about. There’s a smaller discretionary budget
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Burning_Monk posted:Didn't help that the drive section looked really weird without the saucer. Tunicate posted:yeah it should have been designed to actually look good
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admittedly, his pre-neck design doesn't look great either
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Yeah but the action would've been focused on the battle section and that looks okay.
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