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Deteriorata posted:You might want to talk to Steve Bannon about that. They got 1! Now how about the others, including Trump? How about literally ANY consequences for the subject of this lauded committee? As you say, they're just gonna run out the clock and nothing will happen. Jaxyon posted:Congress has a right to literally any US citizens testimony lol Not if they don't enforce the rules they don't.
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mutata posted:Not if they don't enforce the rules they don't. Did you forget that you replied to this already on the last page
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Nov 17, 2022 00:55
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I respect the effort of the J6C. But they have accomplished very little aside from the public viewing of the crime and the associated public evidence that DOJ can use, and has used to the effect of many convictions and prison sentences. Their public document will be valuable. But it will not be sufficient, or even close to it. What's coming is gonna be wild.
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mdemone posted:I respect the effort of the J6C. But they have accomplished very little aside from the public viewing of the crime and the associated public evidence that DOJ can use, and has used to the effect of many convictions and prison sentences. What did they have the power to accomplish?
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Levitate posted:What did they have the power to accomplish? Not all that much, I guess, is the sum of it. They could obviously have done more to enforce contempt charges against Trump and Bannon, etc, and done it earlier and all the other things we wanted them to do. But that was never going to happen.
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Jaxyon posted:Why on earth would you think that white conservatives would face the same justice system as anyone else? a bunch of white conservatives did see consequences for Jan 6. Just not the wealthy or powerful ones. This is not a disagreeing statement, just an extension.
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Nov 17, 2022 01:53
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Jaxyon posted:Did you forget that you replied to this already on the last page lol yeah I did. My brain is fried after being sick and then sleeping for 18 hours straight only to wake up and feel worse than ever.
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Nov 17, 2022 01:56
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mdemone posted:I respect the effort of the J6C. But they have accomplished very little aside from the public viewing of the crime and the associated public evidence that DOJ can use, and has used to the effect of many convictions and prison sentences. Yes if you set aside everything they did, they didn’t do anything.
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Nov 17, 2022 02:08
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Jaxyon posted:Congress has a right to literally any US citizens testimony lol The common rabble's, maybe. The system is designed to protect people like him, it can't actually make him do anything unless he angers someone more wealthy/powerful than him Xiahou Dun posted:Yes if you set aside everything they did, they didn’t do anything. "But not sufficient" is the part you passed over there Yinlock fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Nov 17, 2022 |
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Yinlock posted:The common rabble's, maybe. I can read. That’s not the part I was objecting to and it stands alone without a silly tautology.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Yes if you set aside everything they did, they didn’t do anything. What have they done that will have meaningful impact on the health of our election system and/or the next "Trump But Smart This Time" elected leader? Because I haven't seen much at all. Even Bannon got, what, a few months of jail? Oof, pack it in, insurrectionists, it's all over! The whole J6C has once again outed the Dems as weak house cats with no teeth or claws. mutata fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Nov 17, 2022 |
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Lol, wat? The J6C did exactly the thing that they were capable of doing which is document what happened from trumps private meetings in November through the assault. That’s the only thing they ever could do. that you think there was more and that they didn’t do it is you being some kind of weird authoritarian fascist with no regard for law. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Herstory Begins Now posted:He's gonna run i thought he already did on january sixth, which is why they want him to testify in the first place
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Murgos posted:Lol, wat? Ah, so they meant this all along, you say. We'll tha ks for the heads up, J6C, but what now then? Your own is dumb, though. You know drat well what I mean. Cool appeal to Godwin, though. Fuckin' goons, lol.
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mutata posted:Ah, so they meant this all along, you say. We'll tha ks for the heads up, J6C, but what now then? I dunno man, maybe go read about the Star Chamber poo poo during the Civil War or Unamerican Activities Committee if you need a refresher on why what you want is a bad, bad thing.
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Nov 17, 2022 04:46
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Literally every interesting and reliable thing about J6 that people know has come out because of the J6 committee. This goes from the funny but trivial stuff like Hawley running away from the insurrectionists, to legally meaningful stuff like the gap in the call logs or Hutchinson's testimony. Legally, exposing information and proposing new laws for the future is the only thing a congressional committee can do. I hope the DoJ does their job faster too, but the J6 committee has been huge, sorry if you were expecting it to throw people directly in jail.
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Nov 17, 2022 04:57
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Ah, sure sure. The consequences are coming ANY DAY NOW.
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NYTs editorial board was calling for consequences today.
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mutata posted:Ah, sure sure. The consequences are coming ANY DAY NOW. You have a point in that if the DoJ doesn't follow up on it, it was mostly a waste of time. They're still building their cases, as witnesses are still appearing before the Grand Jury. Once that wraps up, we'll have an answer. The Georgia case is wrapping up, though, so maybe they'll take the first crack.
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Nov 17, 2022 05:19
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Murgos posted:Lol, wat? Aren't they capable of making criminal referrals, they've just decided not to?
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Nov 17, 2022 05:21
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Bar Ran Dun posted:NYTs editorial board was calling for consequences today. The Grey Lady has decided that now, halfway through her ride on the euthanasia coaster--a death ride that she herself gleefully helped build--that she's not enjoying it anymore and wants off the ride now please.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Aren't they capable of making criminal referrals, they've just decided not to? Tens if not hundreds of thousands of people in the US can make criminal referrals; that's not anything unique to J6C. Also the DOJ doesn't need them to refer anything to prosecute anyone anyway. Also they have already made criminal referrals, and they have explicitly said they will make more, so no
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Fuschia tude posted:Tens if not hundreds of thousands of people in the US can make criminal referrals; that's not anything unique to J6C. Also the DOJ doesn't need them to refer anything to prosecute anyone anyway. Also they have already made criminal referrals, and they have explicitly said they will make more, so no The claim was that the J6C did exactly the thing that they were capable of doing. But they could have made a criminal referral against Donald Trump and haven't.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:The claim was that the J6C did exactly the thing that they were capable of doing. But they could have made a criminal referral against Donald Trump and haven't. Did you? Congress doesn't actually have any more authority in telling the DOJ what to do than you, they just have nicer letterhead. mutata posted:Ah, sure sure. The consequences are coming ANY DAY NOW. Do you get mad that your fridge doesn't take you to work too? You seem to not be grasping that things have things they can do, but also things they can't. Prosecution is an Executive power, hence why there's a Department of Justice. The House of Representatives is a Legislative power so they can only legislate, i.e. pass laws. You wanna get mad at the DOJ that's at least a conversation. This is you being pissed that the mailman didn't put out your house fire.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Did you? Congress doesn't actually have any more authority in telling the DOJ what to do than you, they just have nicer letterhead. The idea of the January 6th committee making criminal referrals is not particularly outrageous. In fact, at least one member thinks they should too. https://twitter.com/repelaineluria/status/1536506115713814528?s=61&t=kAuWyKUWrT-mMDj1xS4tEA And to address your direct question: I did not make a recommendation to the DOJ to prosecute Donald Trump. I did, however, write my representative who is a member of the committee and ask her to do so. Here’s a tiny bit of googling for you. It’s been discussed and not dismissed out of hand like you are doing. https://rollcall.com/2022/06/17/jan-6-committees-criminal-referral-spat-was-avoidable-and-unnecessary/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jan-6-committee-may-make-criminal-referral-witness-tampering-cheney-2022-06-30/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-committee-will-not-make-criminal-referrals-chairman-says-rcna22325 Maybe a small amount of humility is in order. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Nov 17, 2022 |
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I never said it was ridiculous and I don't know why you would assume I thought that. I said it didn't matter. Edit to expand and less drive-by shitposting : Yes the committee can make a recommendation and I think they're idiots if they don't. Part of why I think that is because the criminal referral only has the legal weight of "the House of Representatives wrote this". It doesn't actually make the DOJ act any quicker and in as much as it has any effect at all is pretty much just down to Merrick Garland's internal calculus. And he's made it pretty clear that he's going to neatly and carefully do the job and only speak through filings. Absolute best case it's a cool press opportunity, get some public sentiment going, put a little bow on proceedings. But it can't accomplish anything or even help something along. Xiahou Dun fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Nov 17, 2022 |
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Xiahou Dun posted:I never said it was ridiculous and I don't know why you would assume I thought that. Dude. Your response was “did you?”. Are you saying this was a genuine inquiry if I had made a criminal referral to the DOJ, and not an attempt to paint the idea of the committee doing so as ridiculous? Edit: Nevermind, I see the backpedal. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Nov 17, 2022 |
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Dude. Your response was “did you?”. Are you saying this was a genuine inquiry if I had made a criminal referral to the DOJ, and not an attempt to paint the idea of the committee doing so as ridiculous? You literally edited around the other half of a two sentence post where I clearly said what I meant.
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Xiahou Dun posted:You literally edited around the other half of a two sentence post where I clearly said what I meant. There you go. I added "I said it didn't matter." back into the quote. It changes absolutely nothing. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Nov 17, 2022 |
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Are they going to try to get Trump or whoever else for contempt of congress which carries a penalty of up to a year in jail and is a thing they can do?
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Jaxyon posted:Congress has a right to literally any US citizens testimony lol  Ever hear of the Fifth amendment of the constitution? Yeah .. pretty important. Might be time for you to study up on the Bill of Rights, you seem to have forgotten some key components of it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:
quote:Amendment V As long as 2 crimes by 2 different people exist in the United States, then every person is subject to giving testimony--just not all testimony all the time. Does this apply in clearly non-criminal cases as was established on this very page? I'm not confident--I am not a lawyer. Why has the last page of the thread become uncommonly virulent?
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piL posted:Why has the last page of the thread become uncommonly virulent? I think everybody is a little frustrated at this point, having watched the committee spell out clear and public crimes all summer and fall, only to have Trump declare his candidacy for president again. The only consequence of any of this so far is what, 4 months of Bannon in jail for contempt? It's infuriating. Many shitposters dropped into this thread to tell us nothing was actually going to happen and we held on to hope anyway. The evidence was too strong, the public was too informed, the committee was too targeted on Trump himself for any of this to simply blow over. But the guy is a presidential candidate right now. What the gently caress.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I think everybody is a little frustrated at this point, having watched the committee spell out clear and public crimes all summer and fall, only to have Trump declare his candidacy for president again. Has Turmpf filed any paper work? Only filing for primaries and paying the fees to do so makes it official. DJT says lots of things but between now and 2024 is a geologic age in American politics.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I think everybody is a little frustrated at this point, having watched the committee spell out clear and public crimes all summer and fall, only to have Trump declare his candidacy for president again. This makes a sort of sense, but SA has a different level of discourse most of the time, even in the face of disappointment, which is why I use this and not sljsuy scream into Twitter. Beyond that, though, I think things have happened. I think the results of this midterm election were affected. More importantly, I think the public tone has been affected--there was a lot of opportunity for more violence during these midterms that has been stymied by the even tone of the proceedings. The worst probably isn't over yet. The obvious thing most of want hadn't happened, but they seem like some of the most dangerous and difficult things to do in a democracy.
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The fact DJT has declared his candidacy means exactly dick to Merrick Garland and all the reporting is about the talks between Trump's lawyers and the DOJ is about when he's going to be indicted, not if. Just last week DOJ was examining other document theft cases for a template for starting the charges. And the Coup investigation is just too huge and contains too many high-level actors to move any faster. I no longer have any doubt that ship has sailed and nothing about these midterms changes that. I'm still confident. You should be, too.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Ahahahahaha no. Midterms are over and the fucker hasn't been charged. He announces his run for 2024 tomorrow. They won't charge an active presidential candidate. Do you have any idea how many crimes Trump would commit in his second term? He's walking right into Chuck and Nancy's trap: we'll really have him dead to rights then! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:
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