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Infantino almost stumbled onto a real rebuttal at some point in his speech when he said Europe doesn't actually give a poo poo about migrant workers and if they did they wouldn't let tens of thousands of migrants drown in the Mediterranean, and then he promptly made it very clear he didn't actually understand his own point at all with 56 minutes of claiming he understands the plight of gay disabled Muslim women because as a child he was bullied for being Italian, just to clarify that he'll say literally anything to defend his enormous Qatari bank account.
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I'm not gonna lie if any of the gulf royals gave me as much money as the qatari's gave Infantino I will immediately sell all of you out and dive into my money pile. I wont even bother defending it. I wish these westerner officials would stop pretending they're something more than just a money grubbing hypocrite and just say 'gently caress you I'm a millionare now eat poo poo losers'. that's the only argument that would be morally consistent with the types to who go do LIV gold of something.
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AceOfFlames posted:Ok, this is probably going to sound like the stupidest question in the world: how do these people then deposit this money in the bank? Do they all have Swiss bank accounts (I guess since their HQ is in literal Switzerland). I ask because if I get a transfer from abroad (I still have some savings back home) my own bank immediately sends me an email asking me where I got this money and all but asking me if I am a money launderer. I can't imagine asking for a bribe and not getting caught thanks to the nature of banking. All of your favorite banks love laundering money for dictators and criminals though. quote:Over 2,100 suspicious activity reports (SARs) covering more than $2trn (£1.5trn) in transactions were leaked to BuzzFeed News and shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ).
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Idk what it is that makes powerful white men go to this exact rhetorical well to try and convince people they care, but somehow it keeps happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RjZFP5jEs Grimson posted:All of your favorite banks love laundering money for dictators and criminals though. HSBC is a criminal money laundering enterprise with a side hustle as a bank.
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Crazy Ted posted:Literally from the same Swiss state as Sepp Blatter. I am calling to pause the Swiss until we figure out what the hell is going on
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They made an enormous Fyre Festival https://twitter.com/rhiachohan/status/1593912019111084033?t=PneHJ596aQBHq9Cyepnlwg&s=19
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:I am calling to pause the Swiss until we figure out what the hell is going on helvetia delenda est
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Al-Saqr posted:What I love the most about rich arab gulf potentates is that fundamentally they truly understand the one thing western officials truly understand, Money and hypocrisy. That's two things OP 
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i did *not* expect to wake up and see bald rear end johnny infantino threatening to feel a migrant worker on CNN but here we are 
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shirts and skins posted:They made an enormous Fyre Festival I realise almost all my posts in this thread are variants of 'lmao' But lmao
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$200b to chuck some futons in the middle of a gravel pit and call it a day
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Jose posted:Lol *Italian Shania Twain voice*: EEEEEEEEEEY I feel-a like-a da woman!
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But how fancy are the VIP and sponsor hotels?
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Al-Saqr posted:I'm not gonna lie if any of the gulf royals gave me as much money as the qatari's gave Infantino I will immediately sell all of you out and dive into my money pile. I wont even bother defending it. I wish these westerner officials would stop pretending they're something more than just a money grubbing hypocrite and just say 'gently caress you I'm a millionare now eat poo poo losers'. that's the only argument that would be morally consistent with the types to who go do LIV gold of something. In other "incredibly stupid" question, why is it that people who get bribed simply not keep the money and not do anything? What can the bribee do in that case, call the police for them not taking your illegal bribe? If someone paid me 1m to vote for them, I'd just keep it, not do it then get another job. Edit: i guess the answer is "hope they bribe you again in the future" but given the pettiness of the people who do these things i wouldn't count on it, personally. I'd be the worst criminal. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Nov 19, 2022 |
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I am bald, I'm Qatari Today I am from Harare I'm disabled, I am gay I do not feel ashamed I was bribed Now I'm rich I'm still a ginger bitch And you wouldn't want it any other way
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shirts and skins posted:They made an enormous Fyre Festival https://twitter.com/dude_javis/status/1593940066853785601?s=20&t=LICR5zA2liOWTgrvSPRSYw 
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Wazzerphuk posted:I am bald, I'm Qatari
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AceOfFlames posted:Ok, this is probably going to sound like the stupidest question in the world: how do these people then deposit this money in the bank? Do they all have Swiss bank accounts (I guess since their HQ is in literal Switzerland). I ask because if I get a transfer from abroad (I still have some savings back home) my own bank immediately sends me an email asking me where I got this money and all but asking me if I am a money launderer. I can't imagine asking for a bribe and not getting caught thanks to the nature of banking. The Swiss banks have specialists who will manage the whole process for you. UBS, Julius Bär, etc. all have "scandals" in their recent past. AceOfFlames posted:In other "incredibly stupid" question, why is it that people who get bribed simply not keep the money and not do anything? What can the bribee do in that case, call the police for them not taking your illegal bribe? If someone paid me 1m to vote for them, I'd just keep it, not do it then get another job. The kind of people who can afford a bribe for a rich man to compromise his career can easily afford bribes for a number of poor men to commit violence and a number of police to look the other way.
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Wazzerphuk posted:I am bald, I'm Qatari
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goatface posted:But how fancy are the VIP and sponsor hotels? Some of them are not very fancy as they're still unfinished!
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AceOfFlames posted:In other "incredibly stupid" question, why is it that people who get bribed simply not keep the money and not do anything? What can the bribee do in that case, call the police for them not taking your illegal bribe? If someone paid me 1m to vote for them, I'd just keep it, not do it then get another job. In some cases, like the purchase of the World Cup, it's because the bribes haven't been paid out yet. To get the three African votes, Qatar promised each of them $1.5m in "development funds for their national confederations" but presumably that was paid out after the vote. Presumably, same thing for the $10m South Africa paid to Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer back in the day. In other cases it's part of the promise of an ongoing relationship, like when Mohammed bin Hammam gave brown envelopes full of $40k cash to Caribbean delegates in hotel rooms in Trinidad to try and buy their votes for FIFA president, with the assumption being that if elected he would continue finding other ways to funnel cash to delegates in the future. Also if you take the money and then don't do what they say, there's always the implicit threat of consequences. That doesn't have to be anything as severe as a Qatari hit squad killing you or anything Hollywood like that, but for instance, if you are the kind of person that takes bribes, this probably isn't the only bribe you've ever accepted, and the people bribing you may have evidence that they could leak showing that you take bribes, if you don't actually vote for them afterwards. It seems like in a lot of cases in Qatar, the bribes aren't just to win votes but to open up ongoing commercial and political relationships. Platini voting for Qatar in 2010 helped cement a lot of enduring ties between France and Qatar, including Qatar buying the football club Paris St. Germain and sinking billions of euros into it, and Qatar purchasing weapons from French arms manufacturers. In a case like that, it seems Qatar didn't even directly bribe Platini with an envelope of cash or anything, they just communicated to Sarkozy that it would be in the best interests of the budding France-Qatar relationship for Platini's French vote to secure the World Cup for Qatar, with the implication being that all those future deals and contracts were at risk if Platini didn't follow through. Same thing for the Thai vote, shortly after the World Cup bidding in which the Thai delegate voted for Qatar, Thailand and Qatar signed a natural gas trade deal.
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greazeball posted:The kind of people who can afford a bribe for a rich man to compromise his career can easily afford bribes for a number of poor men to commit violence and a number of police to look the other way. tbh I think it's more that to get a position of influence at FIFA or the IOC, you all scratch each others backs in a circle that's the trick to doing a corruption, if you do it on your own you're just a criminal, but if everyone's in on it then you get to have a good time with your buddies and they all get a little piece of pie to take home
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FullLeatherJacket posted:tbh I think it's more that to get a position of influence at FIFA or the IOC, you all scratch each others backs in a circle Yeah it's important to remember that if you're a member of a criminal organization like FIFA, your job isn't to run football, your job is to make money for yourself. The initial question treats it as "why not take a bribe once but then continue doing your job normally afterwards?" but that's the wrong way to look at it because it assumes the people involved do something other than take bribes in all their other activities. You take the bribe and do what they want because that's how you make every decision, because you're in it to make money by accepting the biggest bribe, you're not in it to do anything else.
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Wazzerphuk posted:I am bald, I'm Qatari
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That's it. I've had enough. I am toxxing myself to never take a vacation in Qatar. Someone had to stand up.
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have we revisited this classic article itt https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2010/nov/25/world-cup-2022-qatar-fifa
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vyelkin posted:Yeah it's important to remember that if you're a member of a criminal organization like FIFA, your job isn't to run football, your job is to make money for yourself. The initial question treats it as "why not take a bribe once but then continue doing your job normally afterwards?" but that's the wrong way to look at it because it assumes the people involved do something other than take bribes in all their other activities. You take the bribe and do what they want because that's how you make every decision, because you're in it to make money by accepting the biggest bribe, you're not in it to do anything else. that, plus while I don't want to go too far into "hurrah for the Raj" territory, in a lot of the world that's the accepted way of doing business and Mozambique has exactly the same say at FIFA as Germany or Argentina does I think £100 was the going rate for "the local police are now your personal henchmen" in India, but it might have changed since then
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vyelkin posted:$200b to chuck some futons in the middle of a gravel pit and call it a day someone put that convention ball pool in the photos
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shirts and skins posted:They made an enormous Fyre Festival no water without a wristband, in case you use it to make alcohol or have gay sex with it
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I also recommend This Is What Winning Looks Like if you want to see how far you can go purely on the power of grift and apathy
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jesus WEP posted:have we revisited this classic article itt this was written before the US destroyed libya and the syrian civil war broke out. i am curious about israeli passports because i don't remember that coming up lol
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Jose posted:this was written before the US destroyed libya and the syrian civil war broke out. i am curious about israeli passports because i don't remember that coming up lol iirc weren't you able to book tickets from Israel, but they would come with the country listed as 'Occupied Palestine'? gotta hand it to em, etc, etc
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FullLeatherJacket posted:iirc weren't you able to book tickets from Israel, but they would come with the country listed as 'Occupied Palestine'?
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