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Tempest_56 posted:You're actually not entirely off base. If I remember some ancient history correctly, Bill Clinton's troubles started when he snubbed then-Speaker Newt Gingrich by seating him at the back of Air Force One on the way back from a foreign event. Gingrich took offense to that and made it his mission to ruin Bill's presidency going forward. Which was the beginning of the Republican white-hot hatred for all things Clinton. That was also the beginning of Gingrich engineering a government shutdown, which squandered all the momentum of his huge House victory and ensured Clinton had two successful terms, so good job
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PhazonLink posted:baseless / tinhat idea. Hillary was one of her era's equivalent of the groyper weirdos, a Barry Goldwater supporter. any college republicans she friendzoned would be on the grounds they were pinko sympathizers not willing to bring back segregation.
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:I will always find it hilarious that the same chuds who whined about Cara Dune eventually defended her when Gina Carano was kicked off the cast. It's a great example on why it's stupid to care that they care since they don't actually care. They just have intentions and use that to manipulate people into being mad.
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Can't wait to see how Trump responds to this. https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1594101244586598400
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Charlz Guybon posted:Can't wait to see how Trump responds to this. i do like all the quislings who were fine with all this stuff finally being "brave" the second the think the lion is wounded enough, but even then most of them are too scared to politically finish him off, i feel like 24 is gonna be crowded again because a bunch of these chickenshits want to be the one that plants the political killing blow to trump and then will rat king themselves and lose.
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PhazonLink posted:baseless / tinhat idea. The genesis of the hatred of her was actual misogyny and a desire to go back to the 1950s. She was a lady doing man things and was dismissive of traditional First Lady things, like having a favorite cookie recipe to share. So it is in the incel wheelhouse, just not because she friendzoned them for Chad Clinton. Or course Bill and Hillary then spun that actual bullshit into a cover with which they would attempt to deflect all criticism and disagreement. Dapper_Swindler posted:i do like all the quislings who were fine with all this stuff finally being "brave" the second the think the lion is wounded enough, but even then most of them are too scared to politically finish him off, i feel like 24 is gonna be crowded again because a bunch of these chickenshits want to be the one that plants the political killing blow to trump and then will rat king themselves and lose. Biden is almost certainly not going to one term himself and god only knows if anyone will actually challenge him. So the entire Republican party teaming up to make Trump have flashbacks of the time Obama mocked him at a dinner is the best option for the country to limp on through another election. Nobody is as petty and vindictive as ol' Tiny Hands. Disregarding this fact would make it extremely difficult for the Republicans to win once God Emperor Trump sics his faithful on the betrayers. Gyges fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Nov 20, 2022 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i do like all the quislings who were fine with all this stuff finally being "brave" the second the think the lion is wounded enough, but even then most of them are too scared to politically finish him off, i feel like 24 is gonna be crowded again because a bunch of these chickenshits want to be the one that plants the political killing blow to trump and then will rat king themselves and lose. Yeah. The knives are out now that he's weak, and I won't mind seeing him get (metaphorically) shanked.
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Gyges posted:The genesis of the hatred of her was actual misogyny and a desire to go back to the 1950s. She was a lady doing man things and was dismissive of traditional First Lady things, like having a favorite cookie recipe to share. So it is in the incel wheelhouse, just not because she friendzoned them for Chad Clinton. Hillary pretty much crystallised as a 90s feminist icon and froze there, basically ending up as a nepotism case taken way too far because she went all-in on aspirational white feminism, hence her small but rabid following. And there's no way Republicans are going to want to challenge Trump considering the 2016 primaries. That's career suicide. Weren't the mods trying to shut down the Hunter laptop story on this very forum until it turned out to be true? Though it's one of those  things where anyone in a position to do anything about it doesn't actually care.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Hillary pretty much crystallised as a 90s feminist icon and froze there, basically ending up as a nepotism case taken way too far because she went all-in on aspirational white feminism, hence her small but rabid following. i know my mom liked her because she helped push CHIP into being a thing and as a kid with "you would have been hosed if you had been born in the 80s" disease/syndromes, she is thankful for that. but yeah i agree with the posts. that being said, i dont care clinton, i dont think she is the evil hell witch or whatever, i just don't really like her one way or the other.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Weren't the mods trying to shut down the Hunter laptop story on this very forum until it turned out to be true? Though it's one of those Part of the problem is that there's an extremely high likelihood that the laptop isn't even Hunters. Or in the worst case scenario may have even been essentially a bunch of forged and cherry picked data ripped off of a stolen private email stash amongst other things which was set up to look as incriminating as possible by a mix of foreign agents and Republican propaganda agents working together. Between the vast number of issues, a few of which are: 1. Rudy Giuliani tweeting about the laptop with an attached screenshot of his phone still visibly connected to the russian MTS while talking about all the information he just received on the topic that would be so very damning (for the umpteenth time). This was after he kept loving up so many minor details regarding it and damned near incriminating himself, Trump, and other affiliated parties. 2. The incredibly sketchy way the laptop was "found" that makes no loving sense whatsoever to the point that the guy who had it handed to him can't really explain in any coherent way that doesn't change over time. 3. The even more sketchy way it was handled by the guy who claims that Hunter Biden flew across the country (to the point where the guy kept changing his story every few months when discrepancies with his past claims were brought up) just to give a laptop to him only to never return. Which eventually escalated to letting GOP propaganda agents and numerous other unknown people tamper with the data prior to an actual official investigation in such a way that makes it impossible to verify anything on the laptop after the heat was on him to provide an honest recounting after battleship sized holes had been blown in the veracity of the story by the various propagandist types loving up their side of things. 4. The fact that the forensic applicable metadata attached to the files is all so extremely hosed up to the point that literally no one can confirm it is legit in multiple relevant ways. Or even if it actually originated from a laptop Hunter Biden had and isn't just a bunch of hacked cherry picked data meant to make him look as bad as possible. Again, the GOP operatives and whoever the other unknown people that the guy let in on it are to blame here. As from what I recall they came in prior to any legit investigators that were allowed to look at it and tampered with the original data and not a forensic copy made for examination in such a way that it's functionally impossible to do any credible forensic analysis on it besides "Yup, I am reading this and this is definitely a thing that is here in front of my eyes here.". Meaning, there's no way to prove that the files originated on the computer, no proof that they weren't altered, no proof that the whole thing wasn't a sophisticated psyop to gently caress with our elections or not, etc, etc. The way in which the data was messed with would by forensic standards invalidate the veracity of everything on the hard drive in any reputable institution or court of law as from what some investigators have said what they saw means it can't be proven that the data even originated on the laptop to begin with.* In fact, the emails don't even have the attached necessary metadata to show that they weren't just copied onto the thing. Hell, according to one forensic investigator I read up on there aren't even responses to the emails by Hunter Biden. It's just a list of emails that were sent to a computer (note, not that computer. They can't even confirm that much due to the tampering.).  5. That the guy who got the laptop knew if not all of this then certainly most of it due to claiming he went through the computer's files and yet proceeded with his claims without walking them back after the tampering (which again it must be said changed in content over time and even had him start not "recalling" things that would have put him in the hot seat if he was lying) despite the egregiously untrustworthy nature of just about everything about the nature of this incident. 6. The fact that that the guy who claims to have had the laptop given to him didn't follow even the barest standard forensic procedure to ensure it was or would be taken as reliable data (like, say, don't let anyone touch the loving thing that could be a national or international scandal if it was true until a proper forensic copy can be made by qualified professionals without a vested interest in determining guilt or innocence. Which is something even the most amateur computer repairman or IT oriented person could figure out themselves.) despite for some reason deciding to go through this random laptop and realizing it could be a big deal nationally if something was on it. And the fact that he would then go so far as to hand the data off to Republican operatives with a vested interest in handling the situation to their benefit along with who even knows who else, all or many of which who would go on to tamper with the data so that future actual forensic federal and private investigators would be loving stumped if they tried to ascertain the truthfulness of it's existence does not speak well of the situation all by itself. And that is without counting the myriad other red flags that have popped up like Rudy Giuliani's involvement with it and him getting data about it over the Russian telecommunication services as his efforts started to flounder hard and direct attention towards himself and other affiliated Trump and Republican types. All suggests it was part of some sort of coordinated disinfo campaign that got screwed up due to Giuliani, Roger Stone, et al all being incompetent morons who couldn't act as proper middlemen for tampering with the election through targeted "gut feeling" based disinfo provided by a foreign power. Basically, Hillary's emails all over again if it also included a light dusting of conspiracy and collusion with a hostile foreign power on the part of the people trying to manufacture a scandal. That it was then picked up by the larger whole of the Republican as a rallying cry is loving disturbing in it's own concerns and potential implications given the situation. *Note that this doesn't stop it from being used in propaganda however. Unless Hunter was willing to sue for slander or libel it's hovering in that weird area where there's no real reason to believe it's true if you have even a remotely honest take on the situation but it can be infinitely harped on by Republicans trying to create an image of whataboutist corruption, much like how the entirety of the Benghazi and Hillary's emails fiasco was this perfect storm of "grey area" enabling bullshit to try and corrupt the discourse. Of course suing would put more pressure on him by the Republicans as they lashed out in retaliation through propaganda outlets so it's doubtful he'd even do that if he could get his life together enough to go through with it, so that's another factor in the Republican party's favor. Edit: Of course, this all works to the GOP's advantage, since like with Hillary's emails the nature of how this is so loving sketchy is hard to explain in a soundbite. Meaning that just like Benghazi and Hillary's emails the GOP can be predatory douchebags and just hammer the same talking points over and over while a lengthy explanation that's required to understand why it's so likely to be bullshit gets drowned out. Archonex fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Nov 20, 2022 |
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Anything we can do about this? https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1593996187278843905
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Charlz Guybon posted:Anything we can do about this? it sounds like most of the election deniers still screaming are chuds like my uncle with no power OR AZ republican party.
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Archonex posted:Part of the problem is that there's an extremely high likelihood that the laptop isn't even Hunters. Or in the worst case scenario may have even been essentially a bunch of forged and cherry picked data ripped off of a stolen private email stash amongst other things which was set up to look as incriminating as possible by a mix of foreign agents and Republican propaganda agents working together. Or to put it in a shorter way, "Everything about it pointed to a Gawker style revenge porn cloud leak attached to documents of unknown provenance and no real evidence of crimes involving government officials. For some reason attached to a convoluted story about how no really this is actually came from an actual physical laptop that we legally purchased." That's 100% enough to explain why even Trump--friendly media outlets treated it as radioactive with no conspiracies needed. Good job, Peter Thiel! (unironically)
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Charlz Guybon posted:Anything we can do about this? I'm not really sure who the "we" you're referring to is or what the "this" is, but reading to the end of the original thread suggests that there are indeed things that will be done about it. https://twitter.com/utilityreporter/status/1593782672358154240
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Killer robot posted:Or to put it in a shorter way, "Everything about it pointed to a Gawker style revenge porn cloud leak attached to documents of unknown provenance and no real evidence of crimes involving government officials. For some reason attached to a convoluted story about how no really this is actually came from an actual physical laptop that we legally purchased." Yeah all evidence suggests it was just more hacked data put onto a laptop like the world's most clunky thumbdrive.
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Mendrian posted:Yeah all evidence suggests it was just more hacked data put onto a laptop like the world's most clunky thumbdrive. It doesn't necessarily mean any of the information was fake, and certainly not the dick pics and drugs that were clearly intended to become the social media shareables that they did. But it means that all that, of a private citizen, was legally dodgy for mainstream outlets to treat as a breaking news story. Fox would have been salivated and jumping on it if it was less outright weird, but they didn't. Also since it comes up in circular arguments in every laptopghazi discussion,unless the whole leak had been 100% fabricated including the dick pics, it would have been intensely dumb and counterproductive for any of the Bidens to have done a line-by-line refutation of any of its contents. Far dumber and less productive than Obama releasing the long-form birth certificate as though that would shut up any conspiracy theorists. Dumber even than Warren's blood test. Was any of the leak altered, whether the original source was cloud or laptop? Who knows! Certainly not any of us, and the Biden camp's reaction provide zero evidence one way or the other. There's room to interpret fishy things in the content of the leak. The behavior and of and story from those who leaked is absolutely weird. But claims of some sort of suspicious coverup, whether by mainstream media or SA forum mods, really feel like grasping at straws.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Hillary pretty much crystallised as a 90s feminist icon and froze there, basically ending up as a nepotism case taken way too far because she went all-in on aspirational white feminism, hence her small but rabid following. no, cpt obvious posted to ask if it was okay to post about and I believe he was told to hold off until we could pass his question on to mods. I think only one probes even went out that was only loosely over it. Mostly it just did not land at all as a story as it was so transparently sketchy giuliani poo poo and that was, bar none, the lowest moment giuliani's credibility had ever been at (as this was ~1 week after the video of him soliciting what he believed was a teenager came out). it was on 10/22/2020 if you want to look at the lepers colony. I think that my probe of selec was the only probe that happened that was at all connected to it. E: cuz it's actually interesting to go back and read how it came out at the time: that laptop saga started somewhere around here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3942616&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=447#post509175511 Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Nov 20, 2022 |
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I must say, the reinstatement of Trump's Twitter account feels way less like a harbinger of doom than it would have even 2 weeks ago. It's nice that it's happening right after Twitter has become a laughing stock.
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Gunman shot up a gay/lgbt+ nightclub in Colorado Springs that was hosting a drag performance night, and gonna assume a lot about the motive already because of all the stochastic terrorism pointed at drag performers
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The location is also called “Club Q”.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:Hillary was one of her era's equivalent of the groyper weirdos, a Barry Goldwater supporter. any college republicans she friendzoned would be on the grounds they were pinko sympathizers not willing to bring back segregation. Wasn’t even in college during Goldwater’s campaign. No one cares about high school kids supporting who their parents say is good.
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The truth about what's the truth with the Hunter laptop is well known. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/hunter-biden-laptop-guo-wengui-bannon-giuliani/ In short the videos of him doing drugs and avoiding women are real but probably not from the laptop and were stolen at another time. The laptop is real and part of an FBI investigation but that investigation is about tax fraud and an illegal gun purchase. There is real evidence of low level corruption but everyone's doing it so I guess no one cares? In short, a lot of it's real but everyone involved has a motive around it that's not just "corruption and abusing women is bad so this should be stopped" so it's also being manipulated for those goals. Overall the Hunter stuff is just a depressing look at the way the world works. Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Nov 20, 2022 |
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The laptop stuff is likely to be mostly true but it's still pretty irrelevant and doesn't much matter one way or the other. It's a little bit like Roger Clinton being a tremendous fuckup. This isn't going to stop the GOP from going full tilt into trying to turn it into the biggest scandal in presidential history, mind, but I still haven't been able to ascertain exactly what it is they think they can prove with it aside from things we already know about Joe Biden's troubled son.
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BiggerBoat posted:The laptop stuff is likely to be mostly true but it's still pretty irrelevant and doesn't much matter one way or the other. It's a little bit like Roger Clinton being a tremendous fuckup. This isn't going to stop the GOP from going full tilt into trying to turn it into the biggest scandal in presidential history, mind, but I still haven't been able to ascertain exactly what it is they think they can prove with it aside from things we already know about Joe Biden's troubled son. Laptop stuff isn't true. Don't accept the narrative that there is something to it: at most, dude hacked Hunter's cloud to get a sex tape. They're hoping to recreate the smoke around Benghazi and Clinton so eventually people will think "if there's smoke, there's fire". Thinking there's something to it, just blown out of proportion, is just feeding into it.
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Morrow posted:Laptop stuff isn't true. Don't accept the narrative that there is something to it: at most, dude hacked Hunter's cloud to get a sex tape. I mean, I think gumball and bigger boat had a good synopsis... proof of a conspiracy and corruption on behalf of bidens administration, laughably unlikely. Hunter biden being a spectacle and everything surrounding that seems pretty likely though, and as unimportant as it ultimately is would anybody be surprised if a strung out wreck attempted to/ succeeded at cashing in on his family name?
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Morrow posted:Laptop stuff isn't true. Don't accept the narrative that there is something to it: at most, dude hacked Hunter's cloud to get a sex tape. amazingly the origins of the laptop part turned out not to be a lie, though on its face it was pretty unbelievable, but as his family has learned repeatedly over the course of his life, betting that Hunter didn't do something really loving stupid is not a winner the laptops total disconnection from the real corruption Hunter was involved in is probably why it's getting pushed so hard. the kids of politicians being used as daddy's bagmen is fully institutionally accepted corruption, from Jared accepting ludicrous amounts of money from the Saudis around the time Trump's policy on them made a u-turn, to Joe Manchin's daughter pulling down the big bucks from Big Pharma while dad says 'hey look we gotta charge diabetics what the market will bear or else that's socialism.' neither Republicans or Democrats want to go there, so making grumbling noises about something sexier and much less financial is probably the play.
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Another mass shooting that barely makes the news https://twitter.com/denverpost/status/1594362841708072962
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The laptop got the full attention of every RWM outlet for the whole of October leading up to the election, it didn't stick then so it's sure as hell not going to now. Like was said already it's table stakes, and it doesn't help their case that they can't say "Biden should've let his kid die on principle" which would be the natural endpoint of their insinuations so they can't even do anything but whine about it. Scott Adams tried pitching actually doing this to his own kid as some heroic act and I don't see anybody sticking up for him. Of course Trump being 10x worse with his own kids doesn't help, even if it doesn't hurt because hypocrisy isn't something that ever sticks unless you want it to. It's not really a good idea to annoy the class of affluent barely-politicals that they rely on while the Fed is engaging in a years long project of reducing their numbers. If I were a GOP strategist right now I'd be laser focused on fully subordinating the Libertarian Party like the Dems have their left and keeping sticks as quietly as possible in the spokes until SCOTUS gives them ISL. MTG's rioter defense investigations are probably smarter than the laptop stuff, and even that'll run out of rope pretty quick because you can't just oppose throwing people in jail here.
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Morrow posted:Laptop stuff isn't true. Don't accept the narrative that there is something to it: at most, dude hacked Hunter's cloud to get a sex tape. I was referring to the post above mine by Gumball Gumption, not ceding the narrative of the GOP and RWM.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:amazingly the origins of the laptop part turned out not to be a lie, though Love to make bad analogies like: Hunter:Jared Direct involvement in the running of a closely held private family real estate business does not equal : being on the board of a public company that is unrelated for ones name. Neither is good but they are different planets of involvement, and you know this, and you made the analogy anyway.
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the issue isn't whether it's verifiable that Hunter put a lot of the bad stuff currently on the laptop, on the laptop. It can't be verified. Referring to the right-wing media and to people who believe it was all him- no amount of evidence coming out that it's not verifiable will likely matter, no amount of proof that a bunch of it definitely wasn't put there by him will likely matter. Similar to election denial, Sandy Hook denial, etc., there is always going to be another level proof required and most people tuned in will keep on believing whatever they believe.
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Gyges posted:The genesis of the hatred of her was actual misogyny and a desire to go back to the 1950s. She was a lady doing man things and was dismissive of traditional First Lady things, like having a favorite cookie recipe to share. So it is in the incel wheelhouse, just not because she friendzoned them for Chad Clinton. Very true - rape apologia, victim blaming, and enabling a serial sexual predator are all certainly “man things”. I’m not sure if “publicly offering a job to person investigating you” can really be considered gendered behavior.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Another mass shooting that barely makes the news It's the top story on the washington post, new york times, cnn, time...
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Regarding Hunter Biden, the laptop conspiracies are all unverifiable horseshit. According to leaks, there are two legitimate legal issues right now that the DOJ is currently weighing on whether or not to charge him on. 1) Apparently Hunter Biden failed to report all of his income from business deals. How serious this is depends on details we don't know. Taxes can get very complicated, and if he honestly thought there was income he didn't have to report for whatever reason but he was just simply incorrect and the Feds don't have evidence that he was trying to hide income, well that usually gets resolved with big civil penalties and interest on unpaid taxes, but not a criminal case. If he did clearly try to evade taxes by hiding income, then thats serious and should probably be prosecuted. The GOP will assume the latter till the end of time no matter what the evidence shows. 2) Apparently when he was buying a gun, Hunter Biden lied on a Federal form he had to fill out, where he had to say whether or not he recently had a serious substance abuse problem, and he checked no. I have no idea how often people get prosecuted for lying on a Federal gun form vs getting a stern warning.
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Hunter's Burisma involvement was, you know, worth an investigative once-over. What if Papa Biden did provide a quid pro quo to Burisma? It got it, long before the laptop. As far as I can tell, Biden snubbed the half-assed attempt to get access, and then a bit later the Obama admin actively if indirectly dunked on Burisma, by pushing the incredibly corrupt Ukrainian attorney (...general?) burying that investigation and a bunch of others. Someone in the chain was definitely getting schnookered, and my guess it would be any of Burisma's clients and investors who didn't know that the Hunter Biden connection didn't actually give Burisma access. The company kept him on after the snub, after all. The laptop is a non-story and if Hunter loses some money for evading taxes, who cares. Discendo Vox posted:It's the top story on the washington post, new york times, cnn, time... yeah i am... let's go with unhappy that this round of stochastic terrorism is more active than many
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Very true - rape apologia, victim blaming, and enabling a serial sexual predator are all certainly “man things”. I’m not sure if “publicly offering a job to person investigating you” can really be considered gendered behavior. Hillary also took a lot of poo poo for her whole Stand By Your Man approach to her husband's infidelity, which was not deserved and was 100% a personal/family issue. She even caught a lot of shade from feminists for not getting a divorce. I also remember people getting pissed off that she spearheaded the Clinton administration's health care approach. I could take or leave her, overall, even though I did vote for her but the demonization she catches and has had to endure for decades is off the loving chart considering she's basically just a run of the mill, normal politician that gets up to some questionable poo poo from time to time like any other one does. You honestly don't get to that level - running for president - without a few somewhat shady endeavors but good lord the right thinks she's the antichrist.
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Reactionaries are occasionally right for the wrong reasons. That doesn’t mean that we should care what they think.
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Can people provide sources of what is real and isn’t real about the whole Hunter laptop affair? This sounds like a situation where lefties can end up buying into some dumb conspiratorial disinformation because “Of course! America bad!”
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I think the argument “a crackhead only got high powered corporate fake jobs because of his last name” is pretty impervious to being cast as a right wing argument. If you want a different kind of society than we have, where that kind of thing doesn’t happen, then this story is an opportunity to highlight the fact that the ruling class cannot really be allowed to fail the way we do, cannot be made subject to the legal and social tortures we inflict on average sufferers of addiction every day. The fact that many of those tortures were designed and or promoted by the extremely powerful father of this particular sufferer is extremely salient. If you are okay with the kind of society we have or see this as a distraction from larger work to be done it’s easy to dismiss this. But the system we have now is dependent on having unequal protection under the law, when we say the opposite. That is how it is salient to a left winger in a way that no way relies on right wing agitprop.
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