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To all of you SFF naysayers: today I'm working from a friend's place while a leak over my desk gets fixed, and I just tossed my entire PC in my backpack and took it over. It ruled
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What’s people’s issue with sff? Gpu space? For me it’s just a question of money, otherwise I think I’d enjoy both the selection and building processes.
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Nov 21, 2022 20:05
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change my name posted:To all of you SFF naysayers: today I'm working from a friend's place while a leak over my desk gets fixed, and I just tossed my entire PC in my backpack and took it over. It ruled The backpack 
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Nov 21, 2022 20:07
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Rinkles posted:What’s people’s issue with sff? Gpu space? I don't think anyone has a legit issue it's just that SFF people are hilariously defensive so it's fun to bait them.
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Nov 21, 2022 20:11
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Micro Center currently has a bundle with a 12700K and an Asus Z690 Plus Tuf Gaming WiFi DDR4 motherboard for $350: https://www.microcenter.com/product/5005927/intel-core-i7-12700k,-asus-z690-plus-tuf-gaming-wifi-ddr4,-cpu-motherboard-combo My buddy had been in the market for a new gaming/work PC since UPS shipping destroyed his old one, and this Microcenter deal came at the perfect time. We ran down to the Marietta, GA MC this past Saturday and the MC rep who was helped us get our parts together shared that they've been having a hard time keeping 12700k's in stock since they started running the combo. Sounds like a lot of folks have been going for it! It made enough buffer room in his build budget that we were able to fit an MSRP 4080 into the system too, so he's absolutely stoked about the whole thing. 12700k still a very good lil' CPU.
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Nov 21, 2022 20:33
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:people bitch and moan about the 212's mounting mechanism but I never had much trouble with it Count yourself lucky. My X570 board has some scars from a failed 212 install - one of the mounting screws had snapped in half but it took me a while to figure that out. Nothing more than cosmetic damage, at least, but a big and stressful waste of time.
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Nov 21, 2022 20:56
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Sir Lemming posted:At the risk of asking too many questions -- since I'm already dealing with the repercussions of not asking enough -- is there any real significance to the "120 SE" vs. "120" or are they just slightly different models of the same thing? (There are pricing/availability/color differences and it would be easier to pick if the "SE" doesn't matter.) The SE is slightly shorter (155m vs 157mm), doesn't have a name plate, and has three fewer fins (50 vs 53) compared to the non-SE. Pick whichever you like, the difference in cooling performance will be minimal.
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Nov 21, 2022 22:38
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155mm is a magic clearance height for a few cases, but for your case either would fit just fine. If you ever plan to go to a smaller format case of any type, and reuse the cooler, you should get the 155mm one.
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Nov 21, 2022 23:10
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Isn't the protruding bits of heat pipes at the top kind of a big deal to speed up condensation?
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Nov 21, 2022 23:13
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CordlessPen posted:Isn't the protruding bits of heat pipes at the top kind of a big deal to speed up condensation? condensation?
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Nov 21, 2022 23:14
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:condensation? Oh god I hope not!
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Nov 21, 2022 23:16
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CordlessPen posted:Isn't the protruding bits of heat pipes at the top kind of a big deal to speed up condensation? Why would there be any condensation? The heatsink and the pipes are always hotter than the air passing through them.
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Nov 21, 2022 23:24
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The one thing that you had to pay attention with Thermalright coolers was whether the listing included the right bracket (LGA 1700). But a year later, this might not be an issue anymore.
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Nov 21, 2022 23:27
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Rinkles posted:The one thing that you had to pay attention with Thermalright coolers was whether the listing included the right bracket (LGA 1700). But a year later, this might not be an issue anymore. Sound advice for almost every make of cooler right now, actually
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Nov 21, 2022 23:41
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Rinkles posted:The one thing that you had to pay attention with Thermalright coolers was whether the listing included the right bracket (LGA 1700). But a year later, this might not be an issue anymore. Noctua sent me the bracket for my cooler I bought in 2019 after I sent them the invoice for the mobo with the lga 1700 and the old cooler for free. Took 2 weeks but if people are upgrading and are wanting to use the old coolers some manufacturers are sending it out.
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Nov 21, 2022 23:45
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CordlessPen posted:Isn't the protruding bits of heat pipes at the top kind of a big deal to speed up condensation? edit: removing very wrong info! KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Nov 22, 2022 |
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Nov 22, 2022 00:00
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Uh, no, heat pipes are hollow and the insides are coated with a wick material such as sintered metal powder. Manufacturers insert a single drop of water into each pipe, which evaporates at the coldplate and condenses at the tip. Once condensed, the water is rapidly wicked downwards through capillary action before the cycle is repeated. The condensation happens inside the pipe, obviously. That said, it doesn't matter too much if the heat pipes protrude since the structure of the heatpipe is still the same either way. The tips of the heat pipes don't transfer heat as well as the rest of them, but that's about it. What this means is that the top fin or two may be less effective in the SE, but I don't think it makes a big difference in its cooling efficacy. Much more crucially is that the SE comes with LGA 1700 mounting hardware while the non-SE doesn't. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Nov 22, 2022 |
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Nov 22, 2022 00:11
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:to be very clear: heat pipes are solid metal and no air cooler has any liquid in it at all. It is a big high surface area hunk of metal strapped to your CPU to transfer heat into itself by conduction and then to the air by convection. Read this before being aggressively wrong next time
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Nov 22, 2022 00:15
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Are there any power supply brands to avoid? I'm probably going to buy a new PSU for my brother for Christmas, I gave him my old GPU and didn't realize his power supply doesn't have the plugs for it. I remember back when the Corsair... CX I think? were a line to avoid.
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Nov 22, 2022 00:20
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Are there any power supply brands to avoid? I'm probably going to buy a new PSU for my brother for Christmas, I gave him my old GPU and didn't realize his power supply doesn't have the plugs for it. I remember back when the Corsair... CX I think? were a line to avoid. Corsair are one of the more respected brands right now, probably the biggest avoid tag is on Gigabyte after they had a lot of power supplies sold as part of Newegg GPU bundles that exploded and then claimed people were running them under abnormal conditions.
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Nov 22, 2022 00:34
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The list of PSU brands to avoid is way bigger than the list of PSU brands worth buying right now. In PC Part Picker, filter for Gold, Platinum or Titanium power supplies, semi or fully modular, and at least the wattage you're looking for, then sort by price. Ignore cheap no-name brands like "Apex" entirely. But you also have to beware of specific models sold by otherwise good brands. The Thermaltake Toughpower GF1, Superflower Leadex, most Seasonic lines, many EVGA lines, Phanteks Amp, Fractal Design Ion, and the Corsair lines better than CX are all pretty good. That's a non-exhaustive list. Specifically look for PSUs that come with at least a 7-year warranty. 10-year warranties are even better. You don't care about the warranty itself per se, but the confidence of the manufacturer to stand behind the product for that long. They tend to give PSUs with better components longer warranties. PSUs that only come with 5 or 3 year warranties are to be avoided. edit: platinum and titanium-rated power supplies are almost all going to be good, too. The efficiency rating is just for that, efficiency, but it's also very hard to make a high-efficiency power supply that also really sucks in some important way and/or is dangerous. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Nov 22, 2022 |
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Nov 22, 2022 00:44
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holy poo poo thank you for posting that
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Butterfly Valley posted:I took a stab at something for you but others might be able to do better. I've gone heavier on the CPU and RAM rather than the GPU because if you're just sticking at 1080p 60hz you really don't need much GPU and some of those strategy games can benefit from a decent CPU. The RX 6600 is not a great GPU but for ~$US 200 it's at least fairly priced. You've got some overhead on the PSU in case you wanted to upgrade your GPU in the future, which you would need to do if you decided to get a better monitor. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:This gets quite close: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/8qs2nt Big thanks to both of you, this is very helpful. When I have time I'll pick and choose between your lists and come back with another proposal for the thread. And maybe I missed a reply to my other question: is this a good time to buy? Compared to say 3 months from now? I'm seeing chip prices go down quite dramatically which I've got to think will mean production and hence supply being cut to bring prices back up. I don't know enough to judge these cycles for myself however.
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Nov 22, 2022 00:57
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I ended up ordering this Phanteks 650w PSU because the SuperFlower model I was looking at has been sold out for a few days https://www.newegg.com/phanteks-amp-series-ph-p650g-us01-650w/p/N82E16817987009?Item=N82E16817987009 The "PSU tier list" seems to list it as an A-rank unit, and it has a 10-year warranty (warranty "powered by Seasonic"? I guess this is rebranded Seasonic). Seemed like a pretty good buy at $65? The last thing I need to order is the case and cooler. I'm still leaning toward a Corsair 4000D Airflow and it's on sale at $90 right now, but people complain a lot about it only coming with one intake and one exhaust fan. How important is it to put an additional fan in there ( probably another 120mm intake)? Scoss fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Nov 22, 2022 |
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Nov 22, 2022 00:58
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you want the 4000d airflow, not the base model, just to be clear. the 4000d airflow has decent stock performance, but adding extra fans will make it even better
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Scoss posted:I ended up ordering this Phanteks 650w PSU because the SuperFlower model I was looking at has been sold out for a few days https://www.newegg.com/phanteks-amp-series-ph-p650g-us01-650w/p/N82E16817987009?Item=N82E16817987009 It's fine: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phanteks-amp-series-650w-power-supply-review None of the demerits here are dealbreakers, and importantly it has good build quality and generally good performance.
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Count Roland posted:Big thanks to both of you, this is very helpful. When I have time I'll pick and choose between your lists and come back with another proposal for the thread. For a budget build like yours, yes I'd say buy now. Those components have already been discounted pretty heavily to account for the new poo poo that's been coming out lately and I don't think they'll get any cheaper. I also don't think they'll get much more expensive either but if you have the funds I'd say it's a good time to build so you can have a new toy over christmas.
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Nov 22, 2022 01:21
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A few days ago I replaced the thermal paste on my i7-8700 since it's 5 years old and seemed like time to do that. immediately after doing this, it idled at 30-40 degrees. Every day since then, it's been idling at 40-50 degrees. Ambient temperature is the same, I'm not running anything different than before, and it shouldn't be under any more stress. Why might it have changed?
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Nov 22, 2022 01:29
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Are Antecs still good power supplies? I'm like a decade out of building a PC.
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Nov 22, 2022 01:37
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Jaxyon posted:Are Antecs still good power supplies? I'm like a decade out of building a PC. They're okay but haven't really kept up with the competition.
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Nov 22, 2022 01:42
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Uh, no, heat pipes are hollow and the insides are coated with a wick material such as sintered metal powder. Manufacturers insert a single drop of water into each pipe, which evaporates at the coldplate and condenses at the tip. Once condensed, the water is rapidly wicked downwards through capillary action before the cycle is repeated. The condensation happens inside the pipe, obviously. Thanks for the info! It appears I overestimated the importance of the tiny bits that sometimes used to prevent me from closing my side panel.
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Nov 22, 2022 02:01
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:A few days ago I replaced the thermal paste on my i7-8700 since it's 5 years old and seemed like time to do that. immediately after doing this, it idled at 30-40 degrees. Every day since then, it's been idling at 40-50 degrees. Ambient temperature is the same, I'm not running anything different than before, and it shouldn't be under any more stress. Why might it have changed?
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:A few days ago I replaced the thermal paste on my i7-8700 since it's 5 years old and seemed like time to do that. immediately after doing this, it idled at 30-40 degrees. Every day since then, it's been idling at 40-50 degrees. Ambient temperature is the same, I'm not running anything different than before, and it shouldn't be under any more stress. Why might it have changed? The cooler might be unseating itself a little? Usually the temperature changes a few days after a remount for the better as the thermal paste cures, if it's getting worse then the mounting pressure might be off - see if it's tightened all the way down. The only other thing that immediately springs to mind would be a bubble in the paste, but it'd have to be a pretty substantial bubble directly over a hotspot.
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Newegg currently has a Black Friday sale on the i9-12900K and I'm tempted to build my next PC around it. I already have a spare GPU and PSU collecting dust, so I pretty much only need to figure out CPU + motherboard + RAM. But I haven't really kept up with hardware and definitely not chipsets or DDR4 vs DDR5. Main uses would be relatively heavy duty, a lot of gaming but also compiling Unreal 5 often enough that I was considering a Threadripper. But the TDP on those is a bit of a turnoff, and I'd rather spend a bit more for something that is less of a power/heat hog. I'm not trying to futureproof or anything, but does the i9-12900K hit the mark there? If anything, the unlocked multiplier would make me undervolt it to run cooler/quieter.
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Nov 22, 2022 03:26
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Jan posted:Newegg currently has a Black Friday sale on the i9-12900K and I'm tempted to build my next PC around it. I already have a spare GPU and PSU collecting dust, so I pretty much only need to figure out CPU + motherboard + RAM. But I haven't really kept up with hardware and definitely not chipsets or DDR4 vs DDR5. Get the 13700K instead. Same core count but better performance per core with the same power consumption. And cheaper to boot. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-13700k/7.html The 13700K also apparently scales better when undervolting/power-limiting too. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Nov 22, 2022 |
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Nov 22, 2022 03:29
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Will a Deepcool AK620 provide sufficient cooling for a 13600K?
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Get the 13700K instead. Same core count but better performance per core with the same power consumption. And cheaper to boot. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i7-13700k/7.html Thanks, that's exactly the sort of insight I was looking for! Sometimes chip generations are marginal and it seemed that way with no reduction in TDP but that's still a decent upgrade. Maybe enough to tide me over until the ceiling of die shrinks is reached and silicon stops progressing. 
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Cheap Trick posted:Will a Deepcool AK620 provide sufficient cooling for a 13600K? Easily, it's actually massive overkill.
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That's good to know. What would be considered "adequate" for a non-OC 13600K then - something like an AK400 or be quiet! Pure Rock 2?
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Actually, I wouldn't really call the AK620 massive overkill for the 13600K. It's definitely adequate, but the 13600K is a power hog and you need a pretty good cooler for it.
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