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peanut- posted:I think you’ll find the stadiums have been too full
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Tsaedje posted:Usually the world cup is awarded to a country or countries with an order of magnitude greater population than the number of tickets, and you can sell cheap tickets to the general public to fill seats for matches with low travelling support. Qatar has had serious issues with hotels and lodging for the World Cup, and also didn’t allow sensible alternative options like “allow people to commute from places like Dubai and Abu Dhabi that actually have hotels.” Even the logistics of this World Cup have been beyond hosed.
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Nov 21, 2022 23:24
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harperdc posted:Qatar has had serious issues with hotels and lodging for the World Cup, and also didn’t allow sensible alternative options like “allow people to commute from places like Dubai and Abu Dhabi that actually have hotels.” Even the logistics of this World Cup have been beyond hosed.
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Nov 21, 2022 23:27
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harperdc posted:Qatar has had serious issues with hotels and lodging for the World Cup, and also didn’t allow sensible alternative options like “allow people to commute from places like Dubai and Abu Dhabi that actually have hotels.” Even the logistics of this World Cup have been beyond hosed. Colleague of a friend is travelling to Wales matches but staying in Jordan, that's how hosed it is. If this wasn't all a big arab king dickwaving competition they could have had a more sensible (but still awful) tournament spread between various arab city states.
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Nov 21, 2022 23:31
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peanut- posted:I think you’ll find the stadiums have been too full hmm yeah that is impressive when you think about it
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Nov 21, 2022 23:32
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Failed Imagineer posted:Dunno I've never been into a Muslim pizzeria One of the best pizza places I have ever been to was one near my house when I lived in Brunswick, run by a Lebanese family, and everything they sold was Halal.
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Nov 22, 2022 00:07
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Qatar is a poo poo nation, FIFA is poo poo. murder thousands of people to have a soccer gently caress you
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Nov 22, 2022 00:38
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Harald posted:Qatar is a poo poo nation, and no-one even came may as well have staged the entire world cup at that pitch in the faroe islands that's like atlantic ocean on three sides and a mountain on the other
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Nov 22, 2022 00:47
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So what is the reason we can't all just be like, hey guys fifa sucks, we're out. We're gonna make our own fifa, with blackjack, and hookers! (But seriously why can't we just burn it all to the ground and start over?)
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Nov 22, 2022 00:48
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Harald posted:Qatar is a poo poo nation, let's be fair to qat_ar: they would have murdered those thousands of people anyway wait
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Nov 22, 2022 00:48
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Tsaedje posted:Colleague of a friend is travelling to Wales matches but staying in Jordan, that's how hosed it is. If this wasn't all a big arab king dickwaving competition they could have had a more sensible (but still awful) tournament spread between various arab city states. They made Japan and Korea share one, lol. I think even the ‘white elephant’ stadiums in Japan are still being used occasionally (just for big matches in some cases, most became full-time J League homes). Having one majorly updated stadium in various countries and emirates in the area (along with spreading fan demands across multiple big cities) would probably have been better, but again, dick-swinging contest. Same reason why 2026 is CUM - they wanted matches in Mexico City and Toronto as well.
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Nov 22, 2022 00:55
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It would literally be an improvement if Alex Jones broadcasted FIFA and referred to all the playerers as "goblins"
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Nov 22, 2022 00:59
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Harald posted:Qatar is a poo poo nation, They don't even show up after their dumb rear end nation spent 200 billion loving dollars on stadia in the desert
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Nov 22, 2022 01:01
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dsriggs posted:So how's the FIFA Fan Zone going? What's crowd control, precious?
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Nov 22, 2022 01:11
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Reek posted:So what is the reason we can't all just be like, hey guys fifa sucks, we're out. We're gonna make our own fifa, with blackjack, and hookers! Same reason you can't have a new major american football or baseball league. The existing structure is too powerful and will pull every lever it has to destroy you if you look like you'll be any kind of threat. All FIFA has to do to destroy any attempt to make a new global football org is to say any player who plays in one of their tournaments will be banned from any FIFA competition and lean on the member FAs to say the same.
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Nov 22, 2022 01:31
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Harald posted:It would literally be an improvement if Alex Jones broadcasted FIFA and referred to all the playerers as "goblins"
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Nov 22, 2022 01:33
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sticksy posted:They don't even show up after their dumb rear end nation spent 200 billion loving dollars on stadia in the desert There's literally not enough Qataris to fill the stadiums. Which is somehow even funnier and more farcical.
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Nov 22, 2022 01:39
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Reek posted:So what is the reason we can't all just be like, hey guys fifa sucks, we're out. We're gonna make our own fifa, with blackjack, and hookers! Because anyone in any position of power in the global sport benefits from the existing structure, and all the people hurt by the mess that is this world cup are probably powerless anyways. Oh, you are paying 200 bucks to stay in a container in the middle of the desert? Why should FIFA care? And even in the case of someone who might lose some money, like Budweiser not being able to sell beer at the stadium, they are probably making more than that in free press alone from news stations covering that debacle. I guarantee that the VVIP parties the rich Qataris were actually interested in are still happening, are still filled to the brim with models and celebs, and still have plenty of alcohol in them.
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Nov 22, 2022 01:44
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You'd need a significant majority of the national FAs of major footballing countries to all coordinate to break away at once, which is probably really hard to do especially since plenty of them are corrupt as hell too. It is theoretically possible if fifa continue to take the piss, and there is at least the benefit that if it did happen there would probably be broad public support for the move (unlike with the super league where everyone hated it)
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Nov 22, 2022 01:54
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It will never happen. Federations make money with national teams and have to rely on FIFA to get clubs to let their players get called up. Clubs hate having their players called up, but rely on FIFA to regulate international transfers. Regional confederations make money on continental tournaments and have the same issue as federations.
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Nov 22, 2022 02:04
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Mainwaring posted:You'd need a significant majority of the national FAs of major footballing countries to all coordinate to break away at once, which is probably really hard to do especially since plenty of them are corrupt as hell too. Also because politicians and business leaders in these countries don't give a poo poo and are much more likely to side with FIFA and their corrupt money than with football fans and players. The Guardian had a good article this morning about just how deeply tied Qatar is to not just FIFA, but to Western countries and governments as well. Here are some highlights: quote:But there is something counter-productive and lopsided to the protests: the focus on the actions of sporting figures, players and even viewers seems off when Qatar only managed to manoeuvre itself into this prime position by soliciting the support of powerful states that have fast-tracked its passage into polite society. It is armed to the teeth by the UK, Europe and the US, and is a joint venturer in monumental, lucrative financial and real-estate transactions on European soil. The state of Qatar is the 10th largest landowner in Britain. Since it won the right to host the World Cup, it has been granted billions of pounds of weapons sales licences, including sophisticated surveillance equipment, by Britain. If you're the FA or the French FA, for instance, and you say you'd like to go your own way, you're far more likely to get fired by the government and replaced by somebody who will play along than to actually get your way, because the British and French governments are in bed with Qatar and while the hurt of losing the 2018 World Cup, for instance, might sting, for the people in charge it's nothing compared to the potential threat of countries like Qatar turning off the spigot of overseas money. Meanwhile FIFA itself has seen revenue increase by more than $1B from the Qatar World Cup thanks to lucrative sponsorships with Qatari companies. Playing along with FIFA and the corrupt dictatorships it cozies up to is just more lucrative than the alternative, and when the chips are down people in positions of power frankly don't care about human rights except as a cudgel to use against their enemies, and Qatar and FIFA aren't their enemies.
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Nov 22, 2022 02:17
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harperdc posted:Qatar has had serious issues with hotels and lodging for the World Cup, and also didn’t allow sensible alternative options like “allow people to commute from places like Dubai and Abu Dhabi that actually have hotels.” Even the logistics of this World Cup have been beyond hosed. Apparently Qatar pissed off their neighbors enough to get their asses blockaded for a while, they're probably all pointing and laughing as what a shitshow this is. Also Jesus Christ, kosher is basically halal's kissing cousin, why would you choose that hill to die on (it's because they're rich fuckers who have never been told no in their lives)
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Nov 22, 2022 02:22
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Just a reminder that Saudi Arabia has a bid to host the 2030 WC. Long may the dickwaving continue!
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Moktaro posted:Apparently Qatar pissed off their neighbors enough to get their asses blockaded for a while, they're probably all pointing and laughing as what a shitshow this is. There's a long-but-good series on Tifo about this whole thing, how Qatar got the cup in the first place and the wider geopolitical dynamics in the background. Pissing off their neighbours and getting blockaded was about the same time Infantino and others were floating the idea of Qatar "sharing" the cup with its neighbours - wouldn't that be great for world peace and harmony!?! 
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Nov 22, 2022 03:39
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You can tell the World Cup is great for world peace and harmony, just look at the benefits all across the region from the last one
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Big Black Dick posted:Just a reminder that Saudi Arabia has a bid to host the 2030 WC. Long may the dickwaving continue! Its a joint bid with Egypt (main host) & greece and would take place across three confederations and continents. It makes no earthly sense so it's definitely going to win.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Its a joint bid with Egypt (main host) & greece and would take place across three confederations and continents. It makes no earthly sense so it's definitely going to win. FIFA clearly doesn't give a gently caress about logistics besides how it impacts their bottom line so yeah, they'll be all over this idea.
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Nov 22, 2022 03:53
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sticksy posted:They don't even show up after their dumb rear end nation spent 200 billion loving dollars on stadia in the desert For me the more telling part about the Ecuador game was the way the stadium emptied very quickly once it became certain that Qatar was going to lose. The opening match, in the first ever World Cup in the region, let alone the country. But the home fans can't be arsed to stay for the whole game.
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Nov 22, 2022 04:02
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Moktaro posted:FIFA clearly doesn't give a gently caress about logistics besides how it impacts their bottom line so yeah, they'll be all over this idea. They give a gently caress about infrastructure, and how many kickbacks can be squeezed out of projects.
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Personally, I am hoping that Uruguay/Paraguay/Argentina/Chile bid wins. It would be great to have a CONMEBOL qualifier with 6 teams (Brazil, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia) for the remaining 2 slots.
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joepinetree posted:Personally, I am hoping that Uruguay/Paraguay/Argentina/Chile bid wins. It would be great to have a CONMEBOL qualifier with 6 teams (Brazil, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia) for the remaining 2 slots. Joint bids are cool, and it's the perfect excuse I'd need to go back to South America.
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What's wrong with cheap whores and cocaine? Always brings me back
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joepinetree posted:Personally, I am hoping that Uruguay/Paraguay/Argentina/Chile bid wins. It would be great to have a CONMEBOL qualifier with 6 teams (Brazil, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia) for the remaining 2 slots. I was thinking the other day that the 2026 CUM World Cup basically makes the CONCACAF qualifiers pointless, since they only get 3 spots anyway (4 if you include the 4th place play in game but it's not a guaranteed slot)
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:I was thinking the other day that the 2026 CUM World Cup basically makes the CONCACAF qualifiers pointless, since they only get 3 spots anyway (4 if you include the 4th place play in game but it's not a guaranteed slot) CONCACAF is getting 6 slots straight away plus 2 spots for the playoffs for the last spots.
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2030 basically has to be in Uruguay for the centenary
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Congratulations, you've all but guaranteed that it will take place in the Seychelles because FIFA.
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joepinetree posted:CONCACAF is getting 6 slots straight away plus 2 spots for the playoffs for the last spots. good god
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Since people keep getting surprised, here's the number of slots per confederation for 2026 UEFA (Europe) | 16 CAF (Africa) | 9 AFC (Asia) | 8 CONCACAF (North America, Central America, and the Caribbean) | 6 CONMEBOL (South America) | 6 OFC (Oceania) | 1 Plus there will be a mini tournament for the last 2 slots. The mini tournament will have 1 team from Africa, one from Asia, one from Oceania, one from South America and 2 from CONCACAF
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Nostradingus posted:2030 basically has to be in Uruguay for the centenary You'd think. But there is precedent with a similarly corrupt international sporting event. 1896 - First Modern Olympics in Athens. But 1996 went to Atlanta, and 2000 was in Sydney. Athens had to wait 2 cycles before they could celebrate the centenary of something of both international and local importance, both historically and culturally. You think FIFA is going to care more about the history of the game?
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No artificial clouds, no artificial rainbows. Their commitment to scorching heat is commendable.
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