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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Really anything with Kwannon/Revanche/Psylocke has been pretty terrible and reads more like a fanfic. Hellions was the best of the early Krakoa-era books and she was a main character there.
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Yeah, and I give Excalibur a lot of poo poo, but the arc with Betsy and Kwannon working together -- I think it was around issue 15 -- was really great. I'd read a book about those two.
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Nov 21, 2022 16:15
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Yeah they've been handled really well in Excalibur and Hellions. As mentioned, the team up issue with them was great and I think finally put a nice cap on their relationship.
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zelah posted:Preface: I’ve got some back knowledge of x-stuff but never really followed too closely. i would say the dawn of x trades are a good way to read everything in the right order, just skip past the issues of the bad books
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x-corp had a great premise and a great cast but it wasn't actually good at all. the entire short run consisted of the team publicly failing over and over in surprisingly non-comedic ways.
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Fallen Angels made a lot more sense when I learned the writer for it was like the Lead Story Guy for the tv show Titans
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Post-Claremont started! We're really kicking off the 90s edginess by killing off most of the Hellions without much thought huh? That's something alright.. Also, X-Factor just comes out of the gate written like nothing else in the X-line at the time It really feels like the odd man out, in a good way. I can see why Peter David went for the PI angle later with X-Factor investigations, feels like that woulda been the natural direction in time anyway. Polaris, Madrox and Guido could have been cardboard cut-outs as characters before being injected with personalities for this series. And goddamn Pietro is just such a delightful little poo poo already. The Thing just casually telling people that Lockjaw was a deformed inhuman because he was pranked into believing it had me dying hope and vaseline fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Nov 22, 2022 |
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hope and vaseline posted:The Thing just casually telling people that Lockjaw was a deformed inhuman because he was pranked into believing it had me dying If I remember correctly, this was PAD retconning what was at the time Lockjaw's origin. At some point someone decided that it was a good idea to make him a deformed Inhuman. PAD set it back to the original inhuman dog.
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The sole comic (to my knowledge) where Lockjaw speaks is an issue of The Thing, but it's not the scene Pietro recaps and changes the context of the X-Factor scene significantly: Thing #3 (John Byrne & Ron Wilson)   X-Factor #71 
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Shows how little I know of the Inhumans before the 2000s I guess, thanks for the re-contextualization!
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Nov 22, 2022 13:28
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https://www.cbr.com/marvel-inhumans-lockjaw-person-or-pet/ Per PAD, the joke thing was in response to Byrne's retcon.
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danbanana posted:https://www.cbr.com/marvel-inhumans-lockjaw-person-or-pet/ I know the big thing was "The Inhumans wouldn't treat somebody like a pet!" which is what basically what PAD was walking back Byrne was saying they did with Lockjaw and that's weird to say the least but that means you're pointedly ignoring like, the entire Alpha Primitives which is their literal slave race so it's not that far-fetched.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:x-corp had a great premise and a great cast but it wasn't actually good at all. the entire short run consisted of the team publicly failing over and over in surprisingly non-comedic ways.
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zelah posted:Preface: I’ve got some back knowledge of x-stuff but never really followed too closely. As other's have already said, it's dealer's choice. As a general rule, anything with Hickman's name will feed to one extent or another into the larger story, so X-Men and New Mutants are worth reading. The latter alternates between a Hickman story and a Brisson story at first, and after they conclude Ayala takes over for what I think is an even stronger run. Excalibur works as a lead-up to the the first X-Men crossover, X of Swords, but isn't strictly required and is one of the more divisive series, though I liked it after binging it on Unlimited. Marauders by Duggan is another stand-out in the first wave of books, and is great up until he moves from that book to replace Hickman as the X-Men writer. Fallen Angels is one everyone agrees should be avoided, including the book's writer who admitted to getting the characterization of multiple characters wrong. In the second wave of books, Hellions, Cable, and X-Factor are all well regarded. There is also a series of Giant Sized one shots by Hickman that tell a loose overarching story. Hickman also pens an X-Men: Empyre tie-in that is fun, though non-essential. The X-Men/Fantastic Four miniseries is also really good, but is almost immediately ruined by a retcon in the Fantastic Four comic, so sadly also not essential. Then X of Swords kicks off and winds through all of the X books. Probably best to get the collection for that, or read through on Unlimited. That's where the Dawn of X trades end and the Reign of X kicks off, so you can probably come back to the thread for further recommendations. In general, though, you won't go wrong following whatever writers you've already been enjoying, either on their current series or following them into new ones.
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glitchwraith posted:In the second wave of books, Hellions, Cable, and X-Factor are all well regarded. There is also a series of Giant Sized one shots by Hickman that tell a loose overarching story. Hickman also pens an X-Men: Empyre tie-in that is fun, though non-essential. The X-Men/Fantastic Four miniseries is also really good, but is almost immediately ruined by a retcon in the Fantastic Four comic, so sadly also not essential. That's a good summary. Don't forget Ewing's SWORD, though. Extremely good and feeding directly into his follow-up X-Men Red.
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Saoshyant posted:That's a good summary. Don't forget Ewing's SWORD, though. Extremely good and feeding directly into his follow-up X-Men Red. Left that out because it comes after X of Swords, and spins directly out of the event. That said, of the new books that start in Reign of X, it's my number one recommendation. Ewing is one of the best writers at Marvel right now.
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glitchwraith posted:Left that out because it comes after X of Swords, and spins directly out of the event. Oh, I got my timeline of events mixed up. glitchwraith posted:Ewing is one of the best writers at Marvel right now. 
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Cable was surprisingly good. Mini series that’s before and after X of Swords.
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I'm Ben Percy's biggest hater but I do like seeing Maverick recur as a Krakoa-unaffiliated mutant, and Sage and Omega Red are developing a nice Hellions-esque "unhappy people looking out for eachother" dynamic
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Uh, is no one going to discuss what just happened in this week's X-Men? There's two Lauras walking about now! And I mean, at some point there was also Old Man Logan and regular Logan and that wasn't a good idea then and still isn't now. It just dilutes the character
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Saoshyant posted:Uh, is no one going to discuss what just happened in this week's X-Men? There's two Lauras walking about now! And I mean, at some point there was also Old Man Logan and regular Logan and that wasn't a good idea then and still isn't now. It just dilutes the character I think it finally addresses some questions that the whole Krakoa Era raised and I'm here for it
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:I think it finally addresses some questions that the whole Krakoa Era raised and I'm here for it That was the point of the way too short lived X-Factor from Leah Williams. Can’t ressurect without confirming death so yeah, it’ll be great to see the fallout. Also: I love a woman with a grey streak in her hair.
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Saoshyant posted:Uh, is no one going to discuss what just happened in this week's X-Men? There's two Lauras walking about now! And I mean, at some point there was also Old Man Logan and regular Logan and that wasn't a good idea then and still isn't now. It just dilutes the character I'm glad Synch can be happy. Also, did the ending imply that e-Darwin (or some of him) hitchhiked back with Forge?
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Given that the vault lady said “ I wanna see what happens” and Vault Darwin said “I wanna see what happens” I think it’s safe to assume that something from the vault has infected Krakoa through Forge
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At this point after X-Force I'm honestly curious why the next big X-Men event is about Sinister and not "The terrible house of cards Hank McCoy has built falling down all at once"
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Saoshyant posted:Uh, is no one going to discuss what just happened in this week's X-Men? There's two Lauras walking about now! And I mean, at some point there was also Old Man Logan and regular Logan and that wasn't a good idea then and still isn't now. It just dilutes the character BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Nov 24, 2022 |
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TwoPair posted:At this point after X-Force I'm honestly curious why the next big X-Men event is about Sinister and not "The terrible house of cards Hank McCoy has built falling down all at once" Because none of the other X-writers care about that. When was the last time you saw Beast outside of a Percy book? I think everyone is just ignoring it until the chance comes along to write the Beast everyone likes instead of the character that Percy has turned him into.
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Well you can make an event around your best character or around one that everyone loving hates (but not in a good way). I wonder which one you would choose.
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Codependent Poster posted:Because none of the other X-writers care about that. When was the last time you saw Beast outside of a Percy book? When's the last time "The Beast everyone likes" even existed? He's been pretty consistently written as a terrible decision maker/bad person for like a decade at this point.
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Blockhouse posted:When's the last time "The Beast everyone likes" even existed? He's been pretty consistently written as a terrible decision maker/bad person for like a decade at this point. Warcrimes McCoy.
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Blockhouse posted:When's the last time "The Beast everyone likes" even existed? He's been pretty consistently written as a terrible decision maker/bad person for like a decade at this point. The 90s X-Men cartoon.
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I thought Astonishing/Secret Avengers Beast was all right, and was even allowed to have some good points from time to time. He was there to be a buzzkill whenever Scott was around, sure, but he was also decently competent. It doesn't feel like he truly started the downhill slalom that got him where he is now until Hickman's Avengers, and then everyone just ran with that.
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Wanderer posted:I thought Astonishing/Secret Avengers Beast was all right, and was even allowed to have some good points from time to time. He was there to be a buzzkill whenever Scott was around, sure, but he was also decently competent. For the longest time I thought it was going to be a big reveal that it was Dark Beast, but oh well.
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The thing is, Beast has been like this far longer than people have been noticing Beast has been like this. He turned himself blue and furry because of this exact kind of behavior, he's just been slippery slopping himself further and further down the rabbit hole because writers keep wanting to play with it. He has always had a bit of a streak of being an insufferable know-it-all who can't be told he's wrong. Getting poo poo on by Uatu and his past self basically pushed him over the edge into "gently caress you, obviously only I know what the right thing to do is," but it's not new. The only thing that's really changed is that he's not fun outside of constantly loving up. Granted, I think being fun Beast AND "oh look, it's gently caress the Geneva Convention o'clock" Beast at the same time would be an excellent dynamic for Hank, but it'd be hard to write.
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Adder Moray posted:The thing is, Beast has been like this far longer than people have been noticing Beast has been like this. He turned himself blue and furry because of this exact kind of behavior, he's just been slippery slopping himself further and further down the rabbit hole because writers keep wanting to play with it. He has always had a bit of a streak of being an insufferable know-it-all who can't be told he's wrong. Getting poo poo on by Uatu and his past self basically pushed him over the edge into "gently caress you, obviously only I know what the right thing to do is," but it's not new. The only thing that's really changed is that he's not fun outside of constantly loving up. I think the Animated Series really locked in a lot of character personalities for a good chunk of the current readership and some characters like Beast got a pass for a long time despite a lot of evidence to the contrary like you point out. I know that’s the case for me. It’s also why I saw Professor X as much more sympathetic leader than the evidence in the comic books then or since. But if you look at the books, he’s not only a jerk, he’s an rear end in a top hat.
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Fun and also "gently caress the Geneva convention" kind of sounds like Sinister tbh. So that role is pretty much filled
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Sloth Life posted:Fun and also "gently caress the Geneva convention" kind of sounds like Sinister tbh. So that role is pretty much filled Different kinds of fun and "gently caress the Geneva Convention." (Modern) Sinister is a wiseass who's only entertaining when you're not the one who has to deal with him and he simply refuses to give a poo poo about any laws regarding morality. Beast is (supposed to be) affable and pleasant to be around when he's not committing war crimes and he actively spites any laws governing morality that he himself did not author or, at the very least, cosign.
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