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Conspiracy theories are cool, but this one seems dumb as hell. Dude made up an ancient civilisation in his own head that only he really knows about to feel special. Smacks of the ancient aryan super race the Nazis imagined they were a part of.
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Endman posted:Conspiracy theories are cool, but this one seems dumb as hell. Dude made up an ancient civilisation in his own head that only he really knows about to feel special. Smacks of the ancient aryan super race the Nazis imagined they were a part of.
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Nov 21, 2022 21:03
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i think making professors mad is cool but i cant support these methods
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Nov 21, 2022 21:23
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Azathoth posted:It really is a modern day mutation of Victorian-era White Man's Burden paternalistic racism more than anything, though trying to puzzle out exactly which strain of racism is more to blame seems like a fool's errand. It's particularly prevalent in UFO circles because UFO culture at large is very boomer driven, reactionary, and racist as hell. exactly which strain of victorian racism used is explicitly spelled out in the article
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Nov 21, 2022 21:25
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It's just more Ancient Aliens-style racist crap from people who think that it's so impossible for people of colour to have built anything that if you can't find a way to attribute it to white people then it must be the product of either literal aliens or some ancient mythical white civilization that Big Science doesn't want you to know about.
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Nov 21, 2022 21:31
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I've seen a lot of archaeo guys on YT lately doing ancient aliens/aryans/atlanteans debunking, which is good and all, but I don't think they're quite reaching the particular kind of brainworms you need to believe that. Honestly I feel like the people who fall hook, line and sinker for those theories fall into two categories: 1. Mondo racists who're latching at a socially acceptable roundabout way of calling brown people subhuman 2. People who literally believe in it because it was the first theory they heard. Like they searched "how was pyramid built" and got sucked into Graham's or von Daniken's bullshit before they found an actual documentary and now they're lost forever because the actual answers to a lot of these mysteries tend to be "well we don't know all the specifics because a lot of the craftsmanship has been lost, but we can make educated guesses and-" and that's all they need to hear because "EVEN NOW, SCIENTISTS ARE STUMPED!!!!" validates everything. After that there's a dangerously massive audience that might not be 100% convinced but "find it interesting" because it's a faint glimmer of hope for magic and wonder still existing in a bleak and pointless existence, and I feel like more pop-friendly history content can appeal to that crowd, if only to present the alternative narrative that actual history and actual archaeology are fun and important because they demonstrate that mankind has always been full of horny weirdos who'll go to great lengths to carve a jacked furry idol or whatever
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Nov 22, 2022 00:04
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I know hancock is a hack and a crackpot but i kind of love his insane ancient civilisation bullshit. It would be a great fantasy series
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Nov 22, 2022 00:24
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Debunking videos and podcasts are almost always aimed at people who already know it's bullshit. It's all a bit of a self-congratulatory wank if you ask me
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Nov 22, 2022 00:26
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SexyBlindfold posted:After that there's a dangerously massive audience that might not be 100% convinced but "find it interesting" because it's a faint glimmer of hope for magic and wonder still existing in a bleak and pointless existence, and I feel like more pop-friendly history content can appeal to that crowd, if only to present the alternative narrative that actual history and actual archaeology are fun and important because they demonstrate that mankind has always been full of horny weirdos who'll go to great lengths to carve a jacked furry idol or whatever I've met a looot of these guys. I'm unsympathetic but to some extent I get the motivation, a distrust of traditional authorities mixed with growing up on Indiana Jones and a nice dash of dramatic magical thinking. But as mentioned the actual human past is, in fact, generally even more interesting than grand alien narratives. Anyway what this reminds me of is Neil Degrasse Tyson's tireless effort to convince people that astrophysics is more boring than people originally assumed.
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Nov 22, 2022 00:36
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Endman posted:Debunking videos and podcasts are almost always aimed at people who already know it's bullshit. It's all a bit of a self-congratulatory wank if you ask me i mean sure but i like knowing why things are bullshit if youre satisfied working off of gut instinct and dont find the technical details genuinely interesting its only a matter of time before you turn into one of those condescending d and d twats that starts making value judgments based on how absurd the story can be made to sound in the context of a late night talk show monologue
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Nov 22, 2022 00:57
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:I know hancock is a hack and a crackpot but i kind of love his insane ancient civilisation bullshit. It would be a great fantasy series I enjoy the prehistoric setting for the Conan stories, no matter how overstuffed and ahistorical it got
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Tulip posted:I've met a looot of these guys. I'm unsympathetic but to some extent I get the motivation, a distrust of traditional authorities mixed with growing up on Indiana Jones and a nice dash of dramatic magical thinking. But as mentioned the actual human past is, in fact, generally even more interesting than grand alien narratives. perhaps Indy 4 being loving awful helped a lot of ancient aliens people kick the habit, so who's to say if he's good or not
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:I know hancock is a hack and a crackpot but i kind of love his insane ancient civilisation bullshit. It would be a great fantasy series Eventually he takes it to stupid Thulean levels of sonic crystal Stargate bullshit but when he decides to tone it down and talk about idk early transatlantic contact or some claim that the sumerians considered themselves refugees it does give me that sense of Mystery Dr. Jerrold Coe posted:I enjoy the prehistoric setting for the Conan stories, no matter how overstuffed and ahistorical it got
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Certain Turkish nationalists have ideas about ancient history that really sound like Robert E. Howard wrote them.
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Nov 22, 2022 10:07
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I'd have more time for Hancock if he just didn't come across as so bitter, angry, and like a massive insufferable loser. But yeah sure there was an Atlantis or some Crono Trigger style age of antiquity that's been forgotten. I'm down with that, its a cool concept. Where's the proof though?
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Nov 22, 2022 10:14
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clearly that dude is making poo poo up about ice ages in an attempt to cover up the historically attested finno-korean hyperwar
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Some Guy TT posted:words Thanks for this takedown, someone was just asking me why it was poo poo
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Obliterati posted:Thanks for this takedown, someone was just asking me why it was poo poo look the finno-korean hyperwar is serious poo poo
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Nov 22, 2022 10:25
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Much like 'flat-earth', my first question to anyone who sincerely believes in an ancient aliens/civilization conspiracy theory is "Who's covering this up and why? What possible benefit is there to the *checks notes*... archaeologist agenda in hiding this huge truth from the world?".
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Nov 22, 2022 10:30
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i say swears online posted:look the finno-korean hyperwar is serious poo poo Is the whole finno Korean hyperwar thing just merging two funny jingoistic superrace theories (something something our people are the best number one) or was there actually a theory out there about a war between Finnish and Korean ancestors?
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Nov 22, 2022 11:12
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Oysters Autobio posted:Is the whole finno Korean hyperwar thing just merging two funny jingoistic superrace theories (something something our people are the best number one) or was there actually a theory out there about a war between Finnish and Korean ancestors? The former. Finnish and Korean ultranationalists each like to claim that most of Russia once belonged to them, so the Finno-Korean Hyperwar is the logical consequence of that.
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Nov 22, 2022 11:20
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there are linguistic coincidences between korean and finnish that are used as "proof"
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smh at the hyperwar denialism itt
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Why else would Russia exist than as a buffer state between those two sleeping giants?
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Cerebral Bore posted:smh at the hyperwar denialism itt
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Chamale posted:The former. Finnish and Korean ultranationalists each like to claim that most of Russia once belonged to them, so the Finno-Korean Hyperwar is the logical consequence of that. That's awesome, I figured it was a joke about ultranationalist "history" but I like that this one specifically came from a very reasonable conclusion of the outcomes of both history being true It's been awhile since I read about it, anyone got any good references?
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keep punching joe posted:Much like 'flat-earth', my first question to anyone who sincerely believes in an ancient aliens/civilization conspiracy theory is "Who's covering this up and why? What possible benefit is there to the *checks notes*... archaeologist agenda in hiding this huge truth from the world?". People always think this is smart, but holy poo poo, if you've ever dealt with conspiracy theorists you would know this is the "never shut up again" button. You will inevitably hear about how Communists and/or Jews control the academy and the media, and their plans to weaken the good guys to maintain control
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Oysters Autobio posted:That's awesome, I figured it was a joke about ultranationalist "history" but I like that this one specifically came from a very reasonable conclusion of the outcomes of both history being true i made an effort post way early in this thread going into how i could find almost no evidence of the korean side of the theory from korean references and based on what little i could find the whole thing seems to have been started by korean hoteps in the early internet massively misunderstanding korean language archaeological articles because thats what happens when youre a fluent speaker with only maybe an elementary school level vocabulary i dont know anything about the finnish side of it tho
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Some Guy TT posted:korean hoteps extremely powerful combo
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isnt there a joke that every online nationalist is actually a finnish man with no relation to the country hes talking about?
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gradenko_2000 posted:extremely powerful combo no fuckin kidding Some Guy TT posted:i made an effort post way early in this thread going into how i could find almost no evidence of the korean side of the theory from korean references and based on what little i could find the whole thing seems to have been started by korean hoteps in the early internet massively misunderstanding korean language archaeological articles because thats what happens when youre a fluent speaker with only maybe an elementary school level vocabulary Found it Some Guy TT posted:so i finally figured out what the deal is with the ancient korean empire and while this isnt exactly ancient history its adjacent enough that this seems like the most appropriate place to post it
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Real hurthling! posted:isnt there a joke that every online nationalist is actually a finnish man with no relation to the country hes talking about?
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Real hurthling! posted:isnt there a joke that every online nationalist is actually a finnish man with no relation to the country hes talking about? They're called 'mods'
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Some Guy TT posted:i made an effort post way early in this thread going into how i could find almost no evidence of the korean side of the theory from korean references and based on what little i could find the whole thing seems to have been started by korean hoteps in the early internet massively misunderstanding korean language archaeological articles because thats what happens when youre a fluent speaker with only maybe an elementary school level vocabulary if you believe this theory then Koreans get to claim all of Steppe history
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Real hurthling! posted:isnt there a joke that every online nationalist is actually a finnish man with no relation to the country hes talking about? iirc 4chan had to add flags for the ip of posters due to most problematic threads about two countries coming from the ip of a third, every time
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War and Pieces posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages brothers from sea to shining sea … 🐺
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the traditional roman punishment for patricide was to be sewn into a bag with a live dog, rooster, viper, and monkey and throw over the side of a ship. i wonder how many monkeys were imported to italy just for this purpose before the practice became gauche
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Maybe they could substitute a monkey doll in a pinch, or even a squirrel or similar.
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i say swears online posted:perhaps Indy 4 being loving awful helped a lot of ancient aliens people kick the habit, so who's to say if he's good or not Only watch odd-numbered Indy movies. 5 is gonna SLAP, I just know it.
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the opening to temple of doom is my favorite vignette of the three movies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTAuvVzZgFU
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