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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
Writing articles to a global audience about how your high school teacher who was mean to you is a collaborator and traitor who must be purged

War really does open the floodgates for people to indulge in the most vindictive and petty depravity

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Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

lol, missed this gem:

quote:

By Iuliia Mendel
Iuliia Mendel is a journalist, the author of “The Fight of Our Lives” and a former press secretary for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

ModernMajorGeneral posted:


War really does open the floodgates for people to indulge in the most vindictive and petty depravity

serious post but a lot of people treat war like a video game and dont care that the people dying are actually people are happy to gloat over human suffering as long as their side is winning and putting out epic meme propaganda

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
or they want to act out their cold war fantasies because they missed out on it and want to cosplay red dawn

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

or they want to act out their cold war fantasies because they missed out on it and want to cosplay red dawn

No. No no no. I understand your sound logic but you are being far too cerebral about this.

Allow me to explain:

They want to act out their Michael Bay transformers fantasies where NATO the USA are leaders of the world heroes and they have Optimus Prime to rock 'em sock 'em robots with the designated Bad Guy, all the technology, toys, and nothing ever goes majorly wrong. Spaceship go boom. Reactor fuel? What's that *snorts*

Remember this is a generation of adults whose favorite book is Harry Potter. A series written for young children. It's their classic literature and their mental machinations are about as deep.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

16-bit Butt-Head posted:



your move putin

Leandro Firmino as Li'l Zé: A power-hungry sociopath who takes sadistic pleasure in killing

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Kind of a shame the current lot of "lol nuclear" nutters in charge of things never watched a bit of classic Doctor Who.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NClwFlFb_GY

(The Doctor talks down Morgaine [yes, Arthurian Morgaine] from setting off a nuclear weapon)

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

evilmiera posted:

Fairly sure investing in Russia is going to be seen as a big ol trap for decades after this no matter what happens.

You are so loving stupid

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Horizon Burning posted:

would ukraine actually moving into crimea be the sort of thing that'd give russia/putin/the average citizen the stomach/ability to fight the war, draft up more people, whatever? like, would it'd be the weirdest of the one weird tricks?

lol what

Russia is in the process of mobilizing ~300k guys right now

Ukraine is not going to move into Crimea when they can barely keep the lights on

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
lmao

wouldn't the commies just straight up take control in this scenario? the only reason they didn't in 91 was because the russian people bought that west cared about them

if putin's power disappears overnight, do liberals really think some nobody like navalny is going to take power and not the 2nd largest party?

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
isn't the KPRF just controlled opposition and their like of communism is stalin themeparks?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Truga posted:

lmao

wouldn't the commies just straight up take control in this scenario? the only reason they didn't in 91 was because the russian people bought that west cared about them

if putin's power disappears overnight, do liberals really think some nobody like navalny is going to take power and not the 2nd largest party?

it all comes back to the question of "is there a single Russian politician that wouldn't have invaded Ukraine for the sake of stopping NATO expansion when it comes down to the wire?"

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna
Nato boosters are convinced yabloko will take power any day now, and constantly quote their idiot politicians as if they had any influence.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

crepeface posted:

lol what

Russia is in the process of mobilizing ~300k guys right now

Ukraine is not going to move into Crimea when they can barely keep the lights on

That's not very Westernly Narrative of you friend.

Of course they will. They'll take Crimea. Then dance the dance of the leprechauns all the way or Moscow then everyone will have a tea party. There will be faerie bread.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f082280a8a3a4a9

quote:

Russia reiterates that it does not want to topple Ukraine government
Russia has reiterated that it is not seeking a change of government in Ukraine.

The Kremlin spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said his country “does not intend the ‘special operation’ to change the government in Ukraine”, Sky News reports.

A reporter asked Peskov if one of the goals of the “special military operation” was regime change in Ukraine.

“No [it is not], the president has already spoken about this,” Peskov replied.

This is in contrast to the beginning of the invasion in February, when Moscow had appeared to be aiming to overthrow the Ukrainian government and install a Russia-friendly regime.


Seems embarrassing for Russia, but probably good news to progress negotiations?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
the ukranian bloodlust for teachers is disgusting. why don't you fight some soldiers you loving cowards

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Tankbuster posted:

isn't the KPRF just controlled opposition and their like of communism is stalin themeparks?

the party might be a puppet, but I'm sure a large number of people in Russia believe in communism and want it to happen again. regardless if they are allowed a legit party, during a revolution those people are gonna make a move

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
KPRF is controlled opposition in the sense that they don't disagree with putin on most things and can't really fight where they disagree anyway, but i've seen russians report how united russia had to unskew election numbers really bad last couple times to keep their supermajority because too many people are voting for the commies

dunno how much of that's true, but it's not impossible, and even if not, KPRF still has twice votes other parties get

if KPRF would actually try doing a real socialism when they got into a position of power remains to be seen, but they would probably be more hostile to the ~intl community~, not less, on the account of how anticommunism is on the rise again and even corbyn is a turbo megastalin now lmao

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f082280a8a3a4a9

Seems embarrassing for Russia, but probably good news to progress negotiations?

Didn't they say the same thing shortly after invading?

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

16-bit Butt-Head posted:



your move putin

his head looks smaller there

maybe it’s just camera angles

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

SplitSoul posted:

Didn't they say the same thing shortly after invading?

yes but people made up a bunch of maximalist war aims to show how Russia was losing almost instantly

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/kaylapop_/status/1591606521234063362?t=j06GACTc52DBeLnPbn5UQw&s=19

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

euphronius posted:

yes but people made up a bunch of maximalist war aims to show how Russia was losing almost instantly

They wanted to kick over the government in Kiev and either incorporate or make the Donbass region a nominally independent buffer state. Russia's drive on Kiev said as much.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I dont agree.

studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

https://twitter.com/NetflixValhalla/status/1594767703230791681

the replies to this own. netflix has joined the war effort

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
Russian top brass wanted to dine at that racist restaurant chain... Denied!

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


SplitSoul posted:

Didn't they say the same thing shortly after invading?

Yes. Demilitarisation and Denazification, two of the main goals in February, would require a new government.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Zeroisanumber posted:

They wanted to kick over the government in Kiev and either incorporate or make the Donbass region a nominally independent buffer state. Russia's drive on Kiev said as much.

Did they? I guess there was the airborne assault on that airport, but otherwise the drive on Kiev looks pretty similar to the drive on Tbilisi. Except that it stalled out of course. Though it seems very reasonable to assume that they expected the government to either run or fold.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Sweden getting in on the arresting collaborators game too.

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1595030435452575751?t=TxUJOBJcB4FS9tbyTPA4WA&s=19

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
At the start of the invasion the only Nazis were the 6 people in Azov. Denazification wouldn't require a change in government.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

studio mujahideen posted:

https://twitter.com/NetflixValhalla/status/1594767703230791681

the replies to this own. netflix has joined the war effort

lol it owns how deranged people are

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Zelensky the Magnificent!

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

gradenko_2000 posted:

it all comes back to the question of "is there a single Russian politician that wouldn't have invaded Ukraine for the sake of stopping NATO expansion when it comes down to the wire?"

If there was that sort of consensus, then why not mobilize and do it properly with 700k men in two Combined and one Tank Armies, and drive deep to Lvov and Kiev from the onset?

There must be some political uncertainty reflecting the belief that it’s a bruderkrieg and that the Russian public is depoliticized and accepts liberal economics as long as there’s stability.

If every Russian politician would have done it, making the case to the public should not have been difficult and there should be support among the political class to begrudgingly give the public something for their collective sacrifice. There shouldn’t have been pushback against renewing the social contract and political buy-in if it’s part of a project every politician agrees they must do.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 14:03 on Nov 22, 2022

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Frosted Flake posted:

If there was that sort of consensus, then why not mobilize and do it properly with 700k men in two Combined and one Tank Armies, and drive deep to Lvov and Kiev from the onset?

There must be some political uncertainty reflecting the belief that it’s a bruderkrieg and that the Russian public is depoliticized and accepts liberal economics as long as there’s stability.

I think there would have been consensus that something needed to be done but Putin being the right-liberal he is went with the cheapest and least effective option.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Ardennes posted:

I think there would have been consensus that something needed to be done but Putin being the right-liberal he is went with the cheapest and least effective option.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ckbfS99N6jY

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

genericnick posted:

Did they? I guess there was the airborne assault on that airport, but otherwise the drive on Kiev looks pretty similar to the drive on Tbilisi. Except that it stalled out of course. Though it seems very reasonable to assume that they expected the government to either run or fold.

So did NATO, so did RUSI and the Atlantic Council.

But as I said, they worked pretty hard to create a Ukrainian army and government that would rather give out AKs than sign a treaty so…

I mean the problem is that it’s been so lionized as a moment of heroic resistance against neo-Hitler that you can’t really point out how unexpected that was, or how dire the consequences.

Not that it absolves the planning. If you’re trying to pull off a coup de grace, it seems reasonable to always go in with a force bigger than you think you have to. That was a major difference between intervention in Hungary, where the first force was too small and bogged down in bloody fighting and Czechoslovakia which went off without a hitch and hardly a shot fired.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
I would say the difference was also the Hungarian were expecting it while the Czechs were completely flat footed since the Soviets preempted them well ahead of a more organized movement.

It was clear the Czechs wanted to pull away and tensions were building but the Soviets just skipped to the end and went in.

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

speng31b posted:

did you just call the post Soviet shock therapy "investing in Russia"

No this will be post-Putin shock therapy which as we all know would be quite different. It's got a U in it and everything.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007


loving lmao that they brought out two loving Blackhawks for this and had teams of ~elite operators~ rappel down into a garden to arrest two middle-aged homeowners. what did they do, serve up a meal for their guests?

Comrade Koba has issued a correction as of 14:27 on Nov 22, 2022

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Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


i bet they were sanction busting cheese into russia

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