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Siivola posted:Cheers, all! I still can't decide which I'll pick, but I've got a few days until the next Audible credit anyway. Definitely read the sequel but don't skip the Vaults of Terra series as it is a companion series to Emperor's Legion taking place at the same time and with some shared characters.
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Sephyr posted:If you just care about the Word Bearers story, it certainly can. They are little more than cartoon villains with no development in that particular book. Nothing happens in it that is not sufficiently explained in Betrayer. If you're strictly looking for Word Bearer character building, then yes - Know No Fear is skippable. But if you want to grasp the scale of how badly they hosed up the Ultras and why they'll never kiss and make up you really need to read it. And it actually takes the Ultramarines from "generic marine template" to actual badass legion and Bobby G gets to cut loose a bit.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/20/sunday-preview-get-your-fill-of-age-of-sigmar-battleforces-and-the-new-warcry-expansion Next week's pre-orders features a bunch of books. First up, we have the Special edition of Sanguinius: The Great Angel, written by none other than Chris Wraight.  The book will also get a regular hardback, ebook and audiobook release at the same time. So those not wanting to splurge on the CE version don't need to worry. Then that there second The Soul Drinkers Omnibus by Ben Counter.  Lasty we have the paperback version of Hallowed Ground by Richard Strachen, featuring the ven Densts witch hunters. Lastly there's an subscription for 12 short stories. It does include a Ciaphas Cain short story though. As well as as a grot one (going by the moon emblem at least) by Mike Brooks. 
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In 40k terms that's likely Bad Moon Orks rather than Night Goblins. Will be interesting either way though.
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so as a regretful owner of the salamander omnibus... how bad is that series cause boy its rare I buy an omnibus and never reread it
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boredsatellite posted:so as a regretful owner of the salamander omnibus... how bad is that series It’s not as bad as the Salamanders omnibus in the same way that being stabbed with an icicle of frozen piss is not as bad as being stabbed with an icicle of frozen poo poo
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boredsatellite posted:so as a regretful owner of the salamander omnibus... how bad is that series Wildly frustrating. Occasional glimpses of what could have been a much better story wrecked by "everyone makes the worst possible decision at every opportunity" progression, somehow stretched across like five entire books.
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I don't think I even finished the first book. The writing itself I remember being just bolter porn with delusions of grandeur and the plot was a neat idea executed poorly. I read all of battle for the abyss but couldn't finish this stuff.
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It should say something that the only real thing I remember after reading the Soul Drinkers Omnibus 1 (10 years ago or so) was that the inquisitor in the first book fired homing bullets and the MC had four spider legs.
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boredsatellite posted:so as a regretful owner of the salamander omnibus... how bad is that series It's almost wraps around from being so bad to being funny but doesn't quite get there. It's bad.
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Calax posted:It should say something that the only real thing I remember after reading the Soul Drinkers Omnibus 1 (10 years ago or so) was that the inquisitor in the first book fired homing bullets and the MC had four spider legs.
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Cooked Auto posted:First up, we have the Special edition of Sanguinius: The Great Angel, written by none other than Chris Wraight. I am torn. On the other hand, Wraight is generally top-tier BI author these days. However, ADB got Sanguinius and Blood Angels perfectly in Echoes of Eternity.
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Man I'm almost tempted to read it out of morbid curiosity but I'll pass. If it is as bad at the Salamanders book....
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Don't think I've ever read a good Ben Counter story. I know he had a rep for some truly ridiculous stuff with his Grey Knights book.s And I remember being annoyed at the plot twist in Daemon World when I first read it and then I have never really bothered re-reading it since then.
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Glad people said something because the Soul Drinkers were always on my 'get to it someday' list. Shame, sounds like a pretty neat idea.
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Cooked Auto posted:Don't think I've ever read a good Ben Counter story. I know he had a rep for some truly ridiculous stuff with his Grey Knights book.s Daemon World is excellent and every other Ben Counter novel has been absolute dreck. I was shocked when you mentioned he wrote Daemon World and had to Google to double check!
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:These books are trash and should no account be read by anyone. True words here - they are Not Good. The Soul Drinker's fall to chaos is the most petulant poo poo ever. Facehammer posted:The first Grey Knights book and Daemon World are both straight bangers start to finish. The rest are middling to terrible. I AM THE HAMMER  poo poo rules hard.
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There was a plot twist in Daemon World? Lol. I remember loving it though.
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orphean posted:I AM THE HAMMER I know right? The entire final act of that book is just the most loving  anyone has ever committed to paper.
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Cooked Auto posted:Don't think I've ever read a good Ben Counter story. I know he had a rep for some truly ridiculous stuff with his Grey Knights book.s Galaxy in Flames is my favorite of the original three Heresy books.
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I've been skipping around in the Hours Heresy for a few years now I think, and I'm finally close to the siege of terra. I'm feeling pretty burned out though from my decision to read all of the imperium secundus arc. I'm looking at The Crimson King, Wolfsbane, Slaves to Darkness, and Titan death, which were the last four books I considered reading before the siege, and I kind of just want to dump all those and go straight to The Solar War. Anyone have thoughts on those four? Am I missing anything spectacular? Do I need to read spoilers for anything plot critical?
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I haven't read any Black Library books in the past 2-3 years. I think The Emperor's Legion was the most recent thing I've read? What have been some other good books released recently, particularly in the past 2-3 years? I saw Adrian Tchaikovsky wrote one, and that has me intrigued.
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The Wraithbone Phoenix was great, feels like what Terry Pratchett would have written if he been commissioned to write in the universe.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I haven't read any Black Library books in the past 2-3 years. I think The Emperor's Legion was the most recent thing I've read? What have been some other good books released recently, particularly in the past 2-3 years? I saw Adrian Tchaikovsky wrote one, and that has me intrigued. Emperor's Legion has a sequel out that is very good and he has another series called Vaults of Terra that is set during the same time on Terra and shares some characters that is very very good. If you liked Emperor's Legion I strongly suggest those.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I haven't read any Black Library books in the past 2-3 years. I think The Emperor's Legion was the most recent thing I've read? What have been some other good books released recently, particularly in the past 2-3 years? I saw Adrian Tchaikovsky wrote one, and that has me intrigued. He wrote the Genestealer book “Day of Ascension” and it ownssss
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Rugikiki posted:He wrote the Genestealer book “Day of Ascension” and it ownssss He has a short story in the recent AoS compendium, no idea what is about though.
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As someone still trying to catch up to the last few years of fluff changes, is the Dark Imperium series worth picking up? No idea if Guy Haley is trash or not.
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I listened to the first book of the series and felt no desire whatsoever to keep going because nothing of substance happened and I didn't enjoy any of the characters. I'm told the second book has some plot in it, but I find that hard to believe. After listening to Dark Imperium and Avenging Son, I can not recommend Guy Haley as a novelist. He seems mainly interested in telling you about a) how the Imperial machine functions and b) how smart and handsome Roebutte is, and he doesn't have the slightest respect for the audience's time. There's a fun short story woven into Avenging Son, but that's bad actually, I would rather have read that in an anthology. Siivola fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Nov 22, 2022 |
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Dog_Meat posted:If you're strictly looking for Word Bearer character building, then yes - Know No Fear is skippable. But if you want to grasp the scale of how badly they hosed up the Ultras and why they'll never kiss and make up you really need to read it. And it actually takes the Ultramarines from "generic marine template" to actual badass legion and Bobby G gets to cut loose a bit. Somewhat. It's a drat good book, no argument there. But other than the spectacle of crashing ships and raining tanks, I never really felt the Ultras were really hard-pressed. I don't think any named space marines characters even die, other than the guy who was murdered over dinner for extra betrayal points. Even the new peril of daemons is instantly solved, and the legion is soon back in play with endless ships and marines. It's mostly the format's fault of having to be a single book; for once, splitting it like the siege of Terra might have made a better narrative of things getting dire and (meaningful) losses mounting before swinging back for the costly triumph. It's also the debut of a funny little inconsistency in the series that always amuses me. The whole "Oh poo poo nothing we have works against daemons, they are so freaky and unreal! Wait, using their own weapons against them works fine!", which was evidently a royal paint to write into the dozens of book that the Heresy grew into, and then quickly and quiet became "Actually never mind, bolters and regular swords works SUPER well against the unknowable horrors of the beyond. For the emprah!" It was particularly funny in 'Ruinstorm', in which much of Guilliman's arc was his inner struggle over keeping two chaos weapons because only the mad craft of the enemy could undo the enemy. All the while, his troops and two allied legions are just clowning on heretics and greater daemons with normal weapons. I was half-expecting a sargeant to come up, tap his shoulder and go "No really dad, even just punching them works. We solved a sector-wide demonic puzzle just by bombing it, like and Ork would. We'll be fine." And he still goes "Such terrible, momentous choices! Dare I risk corruption to serve my father's dream??" Sephyr fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Nov 23, 2022 |
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S.J. posted:As someone still trying to catch up to the last few years of fluff changes, is the Dark Imperium series worth picking up? No idea if Guy Haley is trash or not. There are some interesting bits here and there. Robute talking to the Emperor, and the Emperor making an appearance in the final battle in the third book (in a manner of speaking). Haley is very much a Bolter Porn author who writes for abridgement. Every book I've seen by him (including his Siege of Terra book) include a plot line that has barely any attachment to the main story, and could easily be cut out without any real loss to the story. One that runs in Dark Imperium is more interesting than in his Siege book (about a Primaris from the Unnumbered Sons becoming part of a Chapter), but generally he's light reading.
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Sharkopath posted:Dante and Devastation are also honestly cool, and some of my favorite lines are from them. Devastation in particular is a very underrated book and one of the reasons I'm not willing to completely write off Guy Haley It has one of my favorite paragraphs from any warhammer novel: "In the monster’s eyes glimmered an ancient and powerful intellect. As old as he was, Dante felt like a newborn babe compared to the intelligence staring at him through that unblinking gaze. He sensed that there were two beings looking at him. The monster, and the being that controlled it. They were separate, yet one. A sense of crushing psychic might emanated from it, so great its grasp encompassed galaxies. There was sophistication there, and terrifying intelligence, but all were outweighed by its bottomless, eternal hunger. For the moment that the man and the monster stared into one another’s souls, Dante pitied it. The hunger of the hive mind made the Red Thirst trivial by comparison."
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AnEdgelord posted:Devastation in particular is a very underrated book and one of the reasons I'm not willing to completely write off Guy Haley From the opening of Dante: His father’s body was ravaged by residual fallout from a war, twelve thousand years lost. Deep lines marked his cheeks. His lips were scabbed with plates of skin. Amid the stubble of his cheek, a trio of ulcers glistened, blood-red flowers blooming in a poison field. A thick mane of brown hair, shot with premature grey and coarsened by salt, framed his face. There were black gaps in his yellow smile. At a little over thirty standard years the man was old and regarded himself well past his prime. His goggles, a priceless family heirloom of age-yellowed, scratched plastek, rested on his forehead, exposing an area of paler skin around his eyes less damaged than the rest. For all the cruelties of the land and the hard life it had given him, in his perfect, amber eyes there dwelt humour and a tender love for his child. Privation was all he had ever known. His humanity had not suffered for it.
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