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COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

REUSE leaders
REDUCE electoral support
RECYCLE ideas

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

tagesschau posted:

She was asking for a Royal Commission to investigate potential election fuckery by Harper.

However, petitioning the Crown or its representatives to kneecap perfectly constitutional laws you just happen to dislike has gotten more popular since mid-2018, at least in Ontario.

The secret to parliamentary democracy is having an in with the Crown

Testikles
Feb 22, 2009
Like all sectors of our government, healthcare is likely blowing a ton of money on consultants. My friend was a registered nurse employed at a hospital, hated how he got paid and dicked around, so he quit, incorporated as a self employed company of one, and got hired back as a consultant doing the same thing at a higher rate.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
I did the same thing as a computer toucher 14 years ago and immediately started making 8x as much for the exact same work.

That is to say the dollar value of your labour may not be reflected by what you are being paid.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Nov 20, 2022

Testikles
Feb 22, 2009
I suppose it's the premium they pay so they can fire you, but holy gently caress the public sector loves consultants. Nobody trusts the government to do anything so they end up paying some rear end in a top hat from KPMG 150K to come in and repackage your materials in a powerpoint and sell your documents as templates to other organizations

Segue
May 23, 2007

It's always fun to explain to policy students that government does not actually develop any policy and hasn't had the capacity to do so for decades.

Anything original is farmed out to consultants since we let everyone go in the name of efficiency so you're just repackaging a private sector hatchet job or stealing an idea from another jurisdiction (who did the same).

Though ON, MB, and SK are really coming up with novel ways to gently caress over all of their residents, none of it is actual thorough policy than FYGM so it still applies.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Segue posted:

It's always fun to explain to policy students that government does not actually develop any policy and hasn't had the capacity to do so for decades.

Anything original is farmed out to consultants since we let everyone go in the name of efficiency so you're just repackaging a private sector hatchet job or stealing an idea from another jurisdiction (who did the same).

Though ON, MB, and SK are really coming up with novel ways to gently caress over all of their residents, none of it is actual thorough policy than FYGM so it still applies.

This is not my experience of the feds at all, I know many government employees who have developed policy with very little interaction from consultants. The problem is that this policy is completely toothless.

The over reliance on consultants is absolutely a problem in general though.

AegisP
Oct 5, 2008

Jordan7hm posted:

This is not my experience of the feds at all, I know many government employees who have developed policy with very little interaction from consultants. The problem is that this policy is completely toothless.

The over reliance on consultants is absolutely a problem in general though.

Yea, like, my directorate has an entire policy division that has been swamped with interpreting and developing public-facing policy positions from the June budget implementation act. They're going to have to do the same again once the fall economic statement implementation act gets passed. And that's just for the relatively few measures in each Act that apply to our area. From my understanding, the involvement of consultants is relatively non-existent, and they handle both the policy development and external stakeholder consultations and post-consultation revisions.

It's going to depend entirely on the specific department/agency to what extent they do in-house policy development.

I have seen consultants brought in to give talks on specialized topics, and would imagine they're referred to if their specialties intersect with any ongoing policy changes.

AegisP fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Nov 20, 2022

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

My dad was eligible for early retirement when he was a teacher with the Toronto Board. He took it and then the board asked if he would want to come back as a consultant at like double the salary.

Cool Kids Club Soda
Aug 20, 2010
😎❄️🌃🥤🧋🍹👌💯
The only Lean I want in my healthcare should come in a styrofoam cup

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Noblesse Obliged posted:

It’s a very Democratic Party. They released their voting roles. Big names supported her including Beth May, Liz Mae, E Maye, Elizaborth Maey and possibly as much as a full dozen others

I mean they had no other choice, Lascaris came in second last leadership election irrc and he's an open socialist

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Cool Kids Club Soda posted:

The only Lean I want in my healthcare should come in a styrofoam cup

I mean it's fine as a framework to decide things like - should triage be before or after registration? Or should the layout of the rooms be changed?

The problem is when it's just used as an excuse for underfunding or privatization.

redbrouw
Nov 14, 2018

ACAB

Cool Kids Club Soda posted:

The only Lean I want in my healthcare should come in a styrofoam cup

That's some user name and post synergy right there.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

Segue posted:

It's always fun to explain to policy students that government does not actually develop any policy and hasn't had the capacity to do so for decades.

Anything original is farmed out to consultants since we let everyone go in the name of efficiency so you're just repackaging a private sector hatchet job or stealing an idea from another jurisdiction (who did the same).


I'll third this as being wildly inaccurate.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished.

Maneck posted:

I'll third this as being wildly inaccurate.

A completely inaccurate description. There’s a missing step in there where the politician has to pretend that the consultant/lobbyist’s legislation is theirs and manufacture consent for it.

Segue
May 23, 2007

Maneck posted:

I'll third this as being wildly inaccurate.

Alright I'll concede I was posting from frustration from the last three priority ministries I've worked at where everything got sourced out and we tinkered at edges. Glad to hear it's not universal.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

https://twitter.com/kady/status/1594748146000740358?s=46&t=wYPWQmKb8AorLVrVJCdAUA

Sounds like the Freedom lawyer at the Inquiry isn’t exactly being impressive. I’ll have to see if I can watch it later.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008
THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Wistful of Dollars posted:

https://twitter.com/kady/status/1594748146000740358?s=46&t=wYPWQmKb8AorLVrVJCdAUA

Sounds like the Freedom lawyer at the Inquiry isn’t exactly being impressive. I’ll have to see if I can watch it later.

Well he doxxed an enterprise employee and said that employee was in Ottawa with a nazi flag. Enterprise responded with a lawsuit cause they can prove their employee was not there.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Wistful of Dollars posted:

https://twitter.com/kady/status/1594748146000740358?s=46&t=wYPWQmKb8AorLVrVJCdAUA

Sounds like the Freedom lawyer at the Inquiry isn’t exactly being impressive. I’ll have to see if I can watch it later.

Today he got kicked out for arguing with the commissioner after being told he wasn't following procedure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/convoy-commission-lawyer-kicked-out-emergencies-act-1.6660191

It happens 1:50 from the start. the time counts backwards so i can't do timestamp, it's a couple minutes before the break at that time. He gets kicked out right after the break for starting back up on his bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VlteXTTVDM

Watch in a private window or you'll get all sorts of Canadian Shapiro clones in your recommendations.

Rouleau is unbelievably patient.

Powershift fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Nov 22, 2022

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

I was a on a video call today with a very senior finance executive and during the small talk before the call they were casually talking about biolabs in Ukraine and how asking people to wear masks is the same as being sent to a concentration camp. They seemed genuinely surprised that these weren't mainstream opinions and that no one else on the call wanted to talk about them.

cat botherer
Jan 6, 2022

I am interested in most phases of data processing.

shades of eternity posted:

Canadaland dropped this day and honestly, it's essentially confiming that Canada is in a cold war with PRC China.

https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/833-trudeaus-dismissive-chinese-dad

I'm not even sure where to begin and what we can do about it.
Canada isn't in a cold war with China, lol. The US is, and Canada is just a useful pawn or proxy in some situations. Welcome to the imperial periphery.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 22 days!

Mr. Apollo posted:

I was a on a video call today with a very senior finance executive and during the small talk before the call they were casually talking about biolabs in Ukraine and how asking people to wear masks is the same as being sent to a concentration camp. They seemed genuinely surprised that these weren't mainstream opinions and that no one else on the call wanted to talk about them.

People at that level really do live in their ownFox News' world, don't they.

MNIMWA
Dec 1, 2014

Segue posted:

It's always fun to explain to policy students that government does not actually develop any policy and hasn't had the capacity to do so for decades.

Anything original is farmed out to consultants since we let everyone go in the name of efficiency so you're just repackaging a private sector hatchet job or stealing an idea from another jurisdiction (who did the same).

Though ON, MB, and SK are really coming up with novel ways to gently caress over all of their residents, none of it is actual thorough policy than FYGM so it still applies.

I was told this as a young undergrad by an older guy who worked for the Ontario public service, but now that I'm a Senior Policy Analyst with the feds I can also confirm it's not accurate. We develop the vast majority of our policy in house (though we do consult with our sector specific stakeholders). In my dept we sometimes contract for research or for papers from academics. Back when I was a student with the the Ontario PS we did have KPMG or whatever come in and waste time and money telling us what we already knew.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
I don't understand why anyone would come to the defense of policy makers when it seems like if they're actually doing it themselves then the reality is they're doing a piss-poor job and should frankly be ashamed of themselves

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


Powershift posted:

Today he got kicked out for arguing with the commissioner after being told he wasn't following procedure.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/convoy-commission-lawyer-kicked-out-emergencies-act-1.6660191

It happens 1:50 from the start. the time counts backwards so i can't do timestamp, it's a couple minutes before the break at that time. He gets kicked out right after the break for starting back up on his bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VlteXTTVDM

Watch in a private window or you'll get all sorts of Canadian Shapiro clones in your recommendations.

Rouleau is unbelievably patient.

Oh Brendan :allears:

Cool Kids Club Soda
Aug 20, 2010
😎❄️🌃🥤🧋🍹👌💯

MNIMWA posted:

I'm a Senior Policy Analyst



Bleck posted:

I don't understand why anyone would come to the defense of policy makers


Mysteries abound

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Noted useless moron Danielle Smith has managed to gently caress up her own version of Ralphbucks, an idea so simple that even a moron like Ralph Klein could conceive of and execute it.

Anti-inflation monetary support should be given to everyone equally, not just parents, because it's hitting single and childless people just the same. But of course, this is just a handout to her base of the incredibly Christian and fertile, so gently caress us, I guess?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Look, if you want free money, go have some kids.

That's how it works.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Holy cow, I figured it was income-tested but this is basically pointless.

quote:

Every family with kids under the age of 18 m earning less than $180,000 will receive $600 per child over six months, Smith announced.

That's just handing $1000 (give or take) directly into the investment accounts of rich people.

a primate
Jun 2, 2010

infernal machines posted:

Look, if you want free money, go have some kids.

That's how it works.

Some of us are trying but our gonads are broken, where’s my broken gonad money??

MNIMWA
Dec 1, 2014

Cool Kids Club Soda posted:

Mysteries abound

I also think most of my colleagues are smart and hard working but you do what you can inside the confines of the direction set at the political level

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Yeah, it's an absolutely insulting means-test, because it supposes this is being distributed according to need, rather than Ralphbucks which were just "hey Albertan, Alberta is cool and you rock, have some free money!" That was stupid as poo poo, naturally, but it made some kind of logical sense. But it follows from the idea that this aid is need-based that our moronic government and the capricious idiot running it believe you need financial assistance more if you're making a household income of $175,000 per year with one kid, rather than being a single 20-something making $30,000.

Now, do parents making that lower amount need greater help? Absolutely! Give them more money. But don't act like a household making a comfortable six-figure salary needs a fuckin' top-up because they managed to whelp a litter.

Cool Kids Club Soda
Aug 20, 2010
😎❄️🌃🥤🧋🍹👌💯

MNIMWA posted:

I also think most of my colleagues are smart and hard working but you do what you can inside the confines of the direction set at the political level

I'd imagine so, too. Just thought it was worth pointing out that there are actually real human beings doing these jobs


Probably a safe bet to say that seniors, or anyone on AISH won't be getting this either if they don't have kids?

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

Cool Kids Club Soda posted:

I'd imagine so, too. Just thought it was worth pointing out that there are actually real human beings doing these jobs

Probably a safe bet to say that seniors, or anyone on AISH won't be getting this either if they don't have kids?

Seniors also get money, AISH gets $100 a month for 6 months.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
While that's better than leaving those folks with nothing, I would point out that a universal program (or a universal, but means-tested, program) would cover all those people, as well as people struggling but not fitting into those categories.

And AISH is completely inadequate, so those payments should be larger.

I'm sorry, if you make over six figures, you do not need the government's help because the things you like went up in price and you can't afford them at the same rate you used to. You still have plenty of money, and unlike people living on a third of that or less, you can easily cut back on non-essentials.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Is $100 extra a month really gonna help?

Calumanjaro
Nov 11, 2011
I really hate that people don't understand that money is relative.

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

Vintersorg posted:

Is $100 extra a month really gonna help?

That’s like what? 10 bananas?

Cool Kids Club Soda
Aug 20, 2010
😎❄️🌃🥤🧋🍹👌💯

Vintersorg posted:

Is $100 extra a month really gonna help?


quote:

What is the maximum AISH payment?
It is $1,685 per month for the standard living allowance (basic benefits) for beneficiaries living in the community. Those living at a facility can receive up to $322 per month as personal allowance rate and up to $2,120 depending on the type of accommodation. You can receive extra benefits over and above the basic benefits if you can demonstrate a need for it.

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PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Vintersorg posted:

Is $100 extra a month really gonna help?

I feel like it might. Assuming inflation is breaking your (modest) budget with things like food being more expensive... well, $100 still buys a lot of food, compared to not having it and going hungry.

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