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FirstnameLastname posted:he has no guiding principle besides 'me first' Musk has no guiding principles of his own, the only value left is dollar value and he do whatever it takes to keep it humming along. Even buying Twitter.
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MikeJF posted:what are the odds they just use their mandatory arbitration clause to get a compromised arbiter to make it go away in a blatant miscarriage of justice because that's just what companies can do now. Philthy posted:I'm just enjoying both of them being regulated to hate speech sites.
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Nov 24, 2022 03:41
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mind the walrus posted:Near-certain. No way Musk didn't have a counsel with his legal team who said "well we see a way" after his mania. If it were truly the poo poo he'd be panic-buttoning instead of this weird pantomime to see if he or the audience are the bigger fools. Except he also fired European employees with the same gusto. That poo poo aint going to fly there.
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Nov 24, 2022 03:49
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mind the walrus posted:Near-certain. No way Musk didn't have a counsel with his legal team who said "well we see a way" after his mania. If it were truly the poo poo he'd be panic-buttoning instead of this weird pantomime to see if he or the audience are the bigger fools. lol just like they made Elon's terrible deal to buy Twitter go away, right?
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Nov 24, 2022 03:52
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What are the chances this idiot lost tons of money on crypto because I want it to be true and I want more things to laugh at him for
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Nov 24, 2022 03:57
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wedgie deliverer posted:What are the chances this idiot lost tons of money on crypto because I want it to be true and I want more things to laugh at him for He just lost $100B in Tesla stock value
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Nov 24, 2022 04:00
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Did you know it costs $2.00 dollars to clean your clothes now? I am not mentioning the $1.75 to dry them.
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Nov 24, 2022 04:03
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wedgie deliverer posted:What are the chances this idiot lost tons of money on crypto because I want it to be true and I want more things to laugh at him for kazil posted:He just lost $100B in Tesla stock value Stocks: the original cryptocurrency
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Nov 24, 2022 04:06
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kazil posted:lol just like they made Elon's terrible deal to buy Twitter go away, right? And it's pretty clear Musk just pushed the deal through, same way he just fired all those employees. He definitely hosed up, but I'm pretty sure on a relative scale of his recent fuckups his lawyers advised him that was one problem they could handle, even if he's still the $100 billion dollar pissbaby.
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Nov 24, 2022 04:08
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mind the walrus posted:After over half a decade of nonstop miscarriages of justice from a stacked Supreme Court and ineffectual prosecution agencies against Trump, I'm not counting any chickens until they're in handcuffs and the sentence is getting read out. He could get away clean in the US, but the EU will gut him like a fish for the employees there.
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Nov 24, 2022 04:09
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Again he did the same thing in europe where he doesn't get american court bullshit. if he had just done it in the us and not in europe i think your worry would be a lot more grounded.
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Nov 24, 2022 04:10
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MikeJF posted:So they're obviously violated California's labour laws with the way they 'fired' everyone with the WARN stuff and also it being extremely questionable that they did fire them properly with dumb emails but what are the odds they just use their mandatory arbitration clause to get a compromised arbiter to make it go away in a blatant miscarriage of justice because that's just what companies can do now. Musk should be fine on this one. You'll notice the initial reports shifted from "fired immediately" to "fired immediately but with three months pay." It's that last part that will get him off the hook. 90 days pay > the 60 day notice requirement.
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mind the walrus posted:Near-certain. No way Musk didn't have a counsel with his legal team w. The twitter legal team were the first in the wave of mass resignations. That's really all you need to know about how legally wise Elon's moves have been.
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MikeJF posted:So they're obviously violated California's labour laws with the way they 'fired' everyone with the WARN stuff and also it being extremely questionable that they did fire them properly with dumb emails but what are the odds they just use their mandatory arbitration clause to get a compromised arbiter to make it go away in a blatant miscarriage of justice because that's just what companies can do now. My understanding is that breaking that law has a maximum penalty, which they have already given to the employees (however many months of pay and benefits,) so I'm not sure anything else will happen from that.
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Also, Elon is loving around with commercial mortgages. Going to have trouble running twitter if all the datacenters get foreclosed on.
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Mozi posted:My understanding is that breaking that law has a maximum penalty, which they have already given to the employees (however many months of pay and benefits,) so I'm not sure anything else will happen from that. Can employees take their employer to civil court for pain and suffering or maliciously dumbfuckery?
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Agronox posted:Musk should be fine on this one. You'll notice the initial reports shifted from "fired immediately" to "fired immediately but with three months pay." It's that last part that will get him off the hook. 90 days pay > the 60 day notice requirement.
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TulliusCicero posted:"Elon Musk is super handsome and not at all the texture of car tire rubber and a super genius, and also Grimes was a fool to leave him" @elonmusk I was staring at this post, waiting for the embed to load
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The twitter legal team were the first in the wave of mass resignations. That's really all you need to know about how legally wise Elon's moves have been. Lawyers usually aren't great at pumping out lines of code, so this tracks
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Nov 24, 2022 05:04
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What is this poo poo!? *Tosses stack of printed paper around the office* I SAID 'SHOW ME YOUR BEST LINES OF COKE'
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Nov 24, 2022 05:12
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Twitter posts have been going on and offline for a few days now. Sometimes the post will look deleted, and then be back a minute later.
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Nov 24, 2022 05:13
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Philthy posted:Twitter posts have been going on and offline for a few days now. Sometimes the post will look deleted, and then be back a minute later. obviously not because there's anything wrong. twitter is alive
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Mx. posted:obviously not because there's anything wrong. twitter is alive https://twitter.com/dril/status/900592164589248513
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Agronox posted:Musk should be fine on this one. You'll notice the initial reports shifted from "fired immediately" to "fired immediately but with three months pay." It's that last part that will get him off the hook. 90 days pay > the 60 day notice requirement. This.
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MikeJF posted:So they're obviously violated California's labour laws with the way they 'fired' everyone with the WARN stuff and also it being extremely questionable that they did fire them properly with dumb emails but what are the odds they just use their mandatory arbitration clause to get a compromised arbiter to make it go away in a blatant miscarriage of justice because that's just what companies can do now. He's still on the hook for unemployment claims though. Which is not really his money to begin with because employees pay into unemployment, but knowing Musk he'll probably try to worm his way out of unemployment claims in the dumbest way possible and get hosed all over again. 
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Sanctum posted:Yeah California law doesn't give way to corporate reacharounds. Just look at how Disney had to relocate corporate HQ to Florida, there are no big corporate players in California that get to buy their way out of the law. If Musk violated labor laws they will throw the book at him. But if he violates labor laws and then retroactively pays them out what is due then he can fire anyone for any reason. As long as they get paid. He doesn't have a lot of political cover left in California, either, after that stunt where he sued Alameda County and I believe the state as well over Covid shutdowns. This won't be like the situation with Blizzard where there was apparently pressure from the governor's office to stall prosecution. Newsom is angling for a presidential run, and Elon made himself target #1 for somebody who will want every opportunity to be seen "holding billionaires accountable" (even if Newsom will gladly be taking other billionaires' money as fast as they can hand it over).
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istewart posted:He doesn't have a lot of political cover left in California, either, after that stunt where he sued Alameda County and I believe the state as well over Covid shutdowns. This won't be like the situation with Blizzard where there was apparently pressure from the governor's office to stall prosecution. Newsom is angling for a presidential run, and Elon made himself target #1 for somebody who will want every opportunity to be seen "holding billionaires accountable" (even if Newsom will gladly be taking other billionaires' money as fast as they can hand it over). "Please, Mr. Musk has certainly considered all of those political consequences into his behavior. Just you wait and see his masterplan unfold. @elonmusk" - a weirdo on twitter
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Crow Buddy posted:"Please, Mr. Musk has certainly considered all of those political consequences into his behavior. Just you wait and see his masterplan unfold. @elonmusk" True
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lol, I had to reload a couple times because it wouldn't load the embedded tweet even after giving it a minute 
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Twitter's been giving me this one tweet from 10 hours ago at the top of my timeline no matter what I do, I'm sure it's going fine
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dril 4 prensondent 2024
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Legal Eagle talks about Elon Musk’s legal troubles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxCRRcWSt4I
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Sanctum posted:Yeah California law doesn't give way to corporate reacharounds. Just look at how Disney had to relocate corporate HQ to Florida, there are no big corporate players in California that get to buy their way out of the law. If Musk violated labor laws they will throw the book at him. But if he violates labor laws and then retroactively pays them out what is due then he can fire anyone for any reason. As long as they get paid. I've seen it mentioned before how companies might try to screw you out of unemployment benefits. Why would they do that? Are companies on the hook for paying for them in the US?
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Philonius posted:I've seen it mentioned before how companies might try to screw you out of unemployment benefits. Why would they do that? Are companies on the hook for paying for them in the US? My understanding is technically not directly, but unemployment is structured as unemployment INSURANCE, and the more unemployment claims you have against you the higher the companies rates for their share of paying into unemployment insurance is.
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Philonius posted:I've seen it mentioned before how companies might try to screw you out of unemployment benefits. Why would they do that? Are companies on the hook for paying for them in the US? i dont know about other states, but for california its really hard for an employer to somehow do that. the basis for being able to collect is "did you work"
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ded posted:i dont know about other states, but for california its really hard for an employer to somehow do that. the basis for being able to collect is "did you work" @elongmusk: "didn't come back to the office within 3h of my mail at 2am, so you can see that they did not work #gowokegobroke" He cocks his head to the side, forcing a smile though the tears of impotent rage
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Zeluth posted:Did you know it costs $2.00 dollars to clean your clothes now? psst just hang them outside!
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Catastrophe posted:Having built my career into software QA, it's jabbing my panic button to see the exodus and abuse happening at Twitter. His apparent whip-cracking and pressure on those in software development while kicking half of engineering out the door is going to result in some reeeeaaaaalllll bullshit getting pushed to prod I've said it before, but it's still true: the site has been running in dev mode for weeks now, network inspector full of failed calls to `ton.local.twitter.com`. the people he mostly fired apparently knew how to build a thing that can stay standing up, for a while. suspect you are right that deploying and changing anything is going to be increasingly risky over time, and if anything actually makes stuff go boom, trying to push new poo poo seems like as / more likely a vector as something that is running now failing. MikeJF posted:So they're obviously violated California's labour laws with the way they 'fired' everyone with the WARN stuff and also it being extremely questionable that they did fire them properly with dumb emails but what are the odds they just use their mandatory arbitration clause to get a compromised arbiter to make it go away in a blatant miscarriage of justice because that's just what companies can do now. I don't know nearly enough about CA ground conditions to speculate, but it seems to me that even if this poo poo flies in the US, the various violations of European labor laws are not going to go away nearly as easily and will lead to lawsuits that are going to take a long time to play out. Feeling like Twitter is going to be spending half it's time trying to keep flailing infrastructure updated and half their time fighting legal battles. Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Nov 24, 2022 |
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