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Mr Newsman posted:After doing the archon disruption, I realize I suck balls at actually killing the disruptors. I'll be wailing on them and get them down to like 75% and someone comes in and just taps them and they instantly fall over. I'm not built up optimally either, but I bring two things: - a 100% armor strip (generally Unairu, which has the perk of also stripping shields if needed). - a gun that does a ton of damage instantly (I roll with a Kuva Hek, using the alt-fire quad-shot, but I presume pimped snipers do the trick too) because as I understand, damage mitigation massively punishes rate of fire. Kill mobs regularly to maintain stacks on your primary arcane too, I find the headshot one is cool for disruption, each stack lasting ages. Optionally, bring something to slow/stop the demolysts: Nova's 4, Khora's helminth skill... I don't one-shot the demos, but with the above, I can pull my weight and solo demolysts provided that I don't spot them too late.
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Strength Mesa. Not the best but good enough. With xata's whisper on 1 and cleaned up archon disruption quite nice. My personal build is more of tank mesa though.
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Nov 22, 2022 16:48
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Laetum's incarnon mode will turbo murder demolysts and that's how I usually roll.
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temple posted:Strength Mesa. Not the best but good enough. With xata's whisper on 1 and cleaned up archon disruption quite nice. My personal build is more of tank mesa though. I bring a stat/crit Ignis wraith with that slash damage on crit and high strength hildryn pillage for armor/shield strip. It's probably far from optimal but it gets the job done.
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Nov 22, 2022 17:00
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i usually just use inaros so i can not care about the demo purging me and then unairu for armor strip (works well since you want to dash at them for lockdown anyway) and a felarx or stropha or something that does heavy damage.
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Nov 22, 2022 17:22
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Yeah, high rate of fire can work fine against demos. They also don't have caps on status procs like bosses, acolytes and liches do, so for example, my Titania with Roar can pretty consistently kill them before they get to the conduit, though after level 100 it usually takes 2 full mags. I've seen Mesa do well too. Nova's 4 will slow them, but their nullifying pulse will cancel it so you will have to keep reapplying it. Magus Lockdown also works. Cold procs work, and Gloom works if you have a high enough range to stay out of the nullifying field Unairu gives you a full armor and shield strip, Pillage with enough strength also does that. Vastilok with Shattering Impact strips armor too. Ash's Seeking Shuriken augment strips armor, and you can use Blade Storm between pulses to get finishers. All infested demolishers are immune to viral procs. Juggernaut and Charger Demos are also immune to viral damage entirely. This is could be important because the Acceltra drops from an infested disruption mission, but I didn't know this at the time and I didn't have a problem.
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Banshee's scream can also knock them around a fair bit, and even throw them far enough off course that you can really buy some time - Sonar spam can help a ton with damage, too, if you've got the energy to brute force past the null pulsing
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Sounds like I need to prioritize an armor strip! Good tips.
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yeah that knocks off a ton of ehp unless you are just using like giant heavy attack bleeds, which is also a viable option
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Nov 22, 2022 19:12
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Actually, I wonder how well the phantasma works. Lets see how demos stand up to like 800 heat procs
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the other thing about Demolysts is they still have the early / naive version of damage attenuation where critical hits aren't factored into the scaling. bring a weapon that gets as much of its damage from crits as possible and you'll do well e: or the Incarnon weapon buff that adds +2000% damage on half of non-crits, for similar reasons. or Banshee Sonar. A Moose posted:Actually, I wonder how well the phantasma works. Lets see how demos stand up to like 800 heat procs heat proc stacking works well and works even better if you know how to exploit its quirks. subsequent heat procs after the first one don't reset its scaling properties, they just refresh the original -- so initiating a heat proc chain with, say, a Sentinel using Fired Up and then hosing an enemy down with a Phantasma or Ignis Wraith or similar can have very effective results Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Nov 22, 2022 |
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Gloom with 272+ strength snapshotted on it will slow them by 95%, except for 1 second every 5 seconds when their nullifying bubble lets them run at full speed. But it's easy to set up and buys your party a lot of time while being subsumable on anyone. That slow will stack with 70% slow from rapid fire Epitaph stacks, and Gloom+Epitaph can be used by anyone. It takes more practice but a very high range Spectrorage will override their AI where they will ignore their objective and try to stand in the exact center of it, and at max range their nullifier bubble won't reach the mirrors so you can stick them there indefinitely, even move them backwards by overlapping another mirror circle further back near them.
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Nov 22, 2022 19:28
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Magus Lockdown dashes are pretty effective, too. It has diminishing returns, but it's usually enough.
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I solod all of SP demos with nyx bolts + magus lockdown + stropha or something built for slash. Guess ill find out how it works against Archon hunt modifiers these days.
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Should work fairly well, I remember Nyx working well when I was running her for lots of higher end content.A Moose posted:Ash's Seeking Shuriken augment strips armor, and you can use Blade Storm between pulses to get finishers. You can also spam fatal teleport to lock them in place with finishers and not worry about blade storm marks disappearing to one of their bubbles, if that even happens. I like the sound of that spectrorage strat too.
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FunkyFjord posted:Should work fairly well, I remember Nyx working well when I was running her for lots of higher end content. They actually nerfed the fatal teleport lock, it no longer stops them from moving anymore, according to the wiki https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Demolisher
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Nov 22, 2022 21:32
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Dang, I really liked that trick.
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I'm pretty sure I've used Ash's Blade Storm to lock demolysts in place. I could be wrong though. The Zariman primaries with the 50% of noncrits dealing +2000% damage (functionally the same as having 45% crit chance with a 21x crit multiplier without having to invest mods), plus Xata's Whisper, absolutely deletes Archon demolysts.
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there are a lot of tricks and exploits to deal with demos that were patched out. then de moved on from disruption so the ones that have popped up since then were left alone.
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at one point couldnt you switch teleport them off a ledge?
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Awesome! posted:at one point couldnt you switch teleport them off a ledge? Not only that, but the live event where Disruption was introduced got a bunch of people banned for doing it. (Really bad call imo. Patch it, sure, but calling that an exploit when it's literally just a straightforward use of the skill is absurd.)
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Nov 23, 2022 18:03
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Subsume styanax. Use his tharos strike to perma push them backwards and remove 100% shields and armour. It's impossible to fail if you have energy. I melted my freebie Styanax for it as he's neither worth building, buying or using for the same level of content. His tharos strike is excellent on any frame that can rush someone in the face though. I use it on Wukong to just fly through the map to the next demo and give em the old bonk.
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Khablam posted:
I still have an insane amount of trouble locating demos sometimes. the audio isn't as consistent as i'd like it to be and i've been caught flat footed by one sauntering up to the console and it sounds like its three halls away the visual indicator just might not as well exist sometimes
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Nov 23, 2022 20:56
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also, each time you use a key some fucker starts talking. i really wish there was an audio setting just for disruption you could crank up and mute the rest. my hearing sucks!
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:also, each time you use a key some fucker starts talking. i really wish there was an audio setting just for disruption you could crank up and mute the rest. my hearing sucks! You can turn down only "transmission volume" I think it's called which is all of the pop-up window voices. Yeah it's annoying to have a game mode that practically requires headphones. I think if you use Primed Animal Instinct it helps to catch demos in radar sooner?
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Zero VGS posted:I think if you use Primed Animal Instinct it helps to catch demos in radar sooner? They added some vague red tinge or something that... I guess is supposed to help? I've only kind of noticed it out of the corner of my eye in the particle nightmare that is Warframe. Disruption and Lua Rescue remain very much sound-only modes.
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hazardousmouse posted:I still have an insane amount of trouble locating demos sometimes. the audio isn't as consistent as i'd like it to be and i've been caught flat footed by one sauntering up to the console and it sounds like its three halls away I have been told many times where the visual indicator is supposed to be, what it is supposed to look like and in what range to expect to see it pop up, I have looked for it many, many, many times, possibly for hours (I like lua disrupt okay?) and I have yet to see it.
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is there supposed to be something other than the waymark that pops up when someone gets close and the red pulsing around it?
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hazardousmouse posted:I still have an insane amount of trouble locating demos sometimes. the audio isn't as consistent as i'd like it to be and i've been caught flat footed by one sauntering up to the console and it sounds like its three halls away If you are on the same time as the demo you will be able to hear them. Quickly poking your head through all of the doors that lead out from the conduit's room will let you find them very quickly. In general they're going to spawn from the direction that mooks are spawning from.
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Can you bring buddies on quest missions? Because this engine cowling thing for the railjack is loving hard, and it's not even particularly engaging, it's just drowning in corpus in an icy area that erodes my shields and also the battalysts show up and I can't get out from under, because the goddamn point I'm supposed to guard is in a cold zone. I've tried it like ten times with three different frames and it's the same result: I get to about 55% and then I just drown because I have like two full squads of corpus AND battalysts AND ALSO the interference drones and if I go to deal with one, the other two will burn me down.
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Nessus posted:Can you bring buddies on quest missions? Because this engine cowling thing for the railjack is loving hard code:I think i just used Mesa a ton - theyre just lvl 25 enemies after all - and cruised through it back in 2019, but of course you didn't specify what frames or guns (or focus nodes/arcanes) you have available, so it's hard to be more specific.
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RoadCrewWorker posted:You can check the wiki to confirm which quests are solo only, which is unfortunately the case here.
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Mailer posted:They added some vague red tinge or something that... I guess is supposed to help? I've only kind of noticed it out of the corner of my eye in the particle nightmare that is Warframe. Disruption and Lua Rescue remain very much sound-only modes. This is also something that makes it hard to run for me - I play without sound.
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The "im solo help" crack team you want on call is - trinity/oberon spectre - ancient healer spectre The healer gives you 90% DR and either warframe will heal with perfect reactions whenever you take heavy damage. Protea is the best overall specter these days, but if it's just survivability you're after the healers will sort you out better.
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The shield osprey specter is good too though nowhere near as much. Clem is also helpful and friendly to have on call.
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Sortie disruption really needs to be 6 rather than 8. Missing one meaning an extra round just invites people leaving, and for good reason because disruption takes forever and isn't fun.
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you dont need to do the full round, just enough for the ones you missed.
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Awesome! posted:you dont need to do the full round, just enough for the ones you missed. Yeah but that's still an extra between round time and eximus hunt you have to do. Really I'm mostly just salty because disruption sucks so bad, and it really highlights the game's problems at high levels and how dogshit attenuation is as a mechanic (on top of the usual problems with armor generally).
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Disruption has several mechanical points in its favor so I don't agree the mode itself is bad. a team can progress one or up to all 4 objectives for the round simultaneously so you can clear rounds fast, and your reward table isn't the godawful AABC repeat -- Instead you can get into C on round three and stay there forever. That's awesome. I want this in every endless game mode. demos having attenuation are a symptom of a greater issue, sure, but mechanically disruption absolutely does not suck e: there's a lot of things to bring that can trivialize these nerds with slow/stuns if your burst damage isn't up to the job, but "a kuva zarr" does it for anything short of steel path. as always with attenuation, bring a gun with absurdly high critical damage and they're done. Psion fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Nov 24, 2022 |
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Disruption owns, and people leave sortie/archon hunts for the weirdest reasons besides "not understanding the gamemode or how mission completion works" so a minor number tweak aint helping there. Even if you gently caress up repeatedly it's a ton faster than other gamemodes, and you basically can't hard fail the mission unless you deliberately go for some max-rot-A strat and screw it up. If you don't like the mode or can be bothered to look up some build to take care of demos just skip the sortie or run it with a premade who can carry you through it.
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