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PunkBoy posted:Cinta keeps on going off script. Even with Vel being sad her girlfriend wasn't there to pick her up, the plan was for Cinta and her to rendezvous and then she no-showed. Before the riot, Cinta was supposed to be at Maarva's house, but she left her post to trail the ISB guy and Vel was left wandering trying to find her. It's worked out for her so far, and Cinta arguably made the right calls (although her leaving the Andor house probably screwed up any chance of Luthen's group finding Cassian) , but I can imagine that eventually something will go wrong, and/or someone like Luthen or Kleya not being pleased that she is off doing her own thing. What is the actual mission here? Find Cassian and kill him. Cinta was supposed to meet with Vel, saw the ISB agent and his boss (dont know how she knew her in the hierarchy as they were in plain clothes) walking into town dressed as locals. She decides that means that the chances of Andor returning have suddenly increased enough to warrant and ISB officer to show up and goes back to her surveillance post to observe. Vel is the one who went off script by even leaving Ferrix to gently caress about on Corrusant and see her cousin and try and confront Luthen at the shop. Her returning from that I'd say was a distraction that didnt need to happen. You are faulting Cinta for putting the mission first though and Vel agrees. We know Andor never goes by the house, instead choosing to visit his dad's brick, go to Bix's old place, and finally hide in a building with sewer access. Cinta doesn't know that but the empire has more intelligence and people out looking so him so it makes sense that watching imperial movement, piggybacking on their work, would be a better chance of finding Andor and killing him. Is it what Luthen would do? Well thats exactly what he suggests they do when he shows up. Was the house a good spot to wait for him? Yes and no. Yes he might stop by, but he could see the place near empty or other signs the place has been messed with and keep walking wether he knew his mom was dead or not. Cinta is continuing to trail the ISB officer when he gets suspicious of her and confronts her. She helps him find a nice place to lay down. Shes never off doing her own thing. We've discussed that in this thread alot that shes hyper focused on doing her job and thats the rift between her and Vel now. Cinta is model a employee, and my nomination for Rebel Employee of the Month. Blackchamber fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Nov 25, 2022 |
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Blackchamber posted:Cinta is model a employee, and my nomination for Rebel Employee of the Month. I can't think of who else is the Star Wars on loving point badass. You see any Sith (maul, ventress, Vader, inquisitors) and you know whats up. Nondescript barista you barely notice? An inopportune moment for you and youre getting stabbed.
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The great fantasy in Star Wars is not being a prole rising up against fascists but being a barista and getting to shiv that creepy regular.
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Cheesus posted:I would like to second this nomination. Is this the first Star Wars shanking? People get slashed/impaled a lot, but it's usually with laser swords.
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Blackchamber posted:What is the actual mission here? Find Cassian and kill him. She's a loose cannon. Vel is never even able to communicate to her Luthen's new directive that they wait for the Empire to capture Andor and then kill him before they can secure him in the hotel. It isn't clear if she shadows obvious Imperial spy back to the hotel to see him "arrest" an informant, but she opts to stay after the spy instead of watching Dedra and her escort, or keeping an eye on the actual funeral itself? Why? And does she screw up following the guy and get forced to kill him, or does she deliberately follow closely because she wants to kill him? Killing him doesn't help the mission at all, but from what we see on screen, she kills him and then goes back to her apartment immediately. Isn't Andor still out there so far as she knows? Has she just given it up as impractical? It's not quite clear why Vel returns, either; presumably neither wants to be caught up in the sweep after the stormtroopers open fire, and maybe they both guess Andor didn't show at all. Evacuating at that point makes sense, especially given that if Vel gets caught, she poses the same risks Andor does because she's met Luthen, too. She could also expose Mon Mothma, which shows just how reckless she was in showing up in the first place.
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Is this the first Star Wars shanking? People get slashed/impaled a lot, but it's usually with laser swords. The bad guy in Solo gets shanked with a vibro blade
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"Bro, what'd you get stabbed with, I forget...?" *sigh* "You're just gonna make fun again." "No no, for real, what was it called?" "...a vibro-bl--" "A vibrator! Oh yeah! lol"
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Quixotic1 posted:Was told if I liked Andor to watch Tony Gilroy's previous film. Mistakenly watched Michael Collins with Liam Neeson film instead of Michael Clayton. its not that bad tbh, and probably thematically connects to andor more
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Narsham posted:She's a loose cannon. Vel is never even able to communicate to her Luthen's new directive that they wait for the Empire to capture Andor and then kill him before they can secure him in the hotel. It isn't clear if she shadows obvious Imperial spy back to the hotel to see him "arrest" an informant, but she opts to stay after the spy instead of watching Dedra and her escort, or keeping an eye on the actual funeral itself? Why? And does she screw up following the guy and get forced to kill him, or does she deliberately follow closely because she wants to kill him? Killing him doesn't help the mission at all, but from what we see on screen, she kills him and then goes back to her apartment immediately. Isn't Andor still out there so far as she knows? Has she just given it up as impractical? That was my point about her. She didn't get told by Vel what Luthen wanted, but she came to the same conclusion about how to proceed with her mission as the spymaster/head of the rebellion and went to it. When you are on the same wavelength as your rebel leader that's a good thing. Dedra was being escorted and hanging out in the hotel and Rix road giving orders and wasn't a good target. The imp spy isn't stupid, he's probably trained to spot a tail normally. And he was probably even more cautious of his surroundings now that people are actively killing imps. Chances of getting to Andor if he gets captured now that people are getting ewebbed 10ft backwards is nil. Time to strike what target of opportunity you have and go. And God drat this place is going to get cracked down on. They are going to go door to door looking for people to hang on Rix road, now would be the time to pack up and bounce the gently caress out as opposed to letting them find a rebel apartment. Again good call Cinta. Loose cannon? Hardly. Nemik was cool if you wanna think deep thoughts about the nature of rebellions, Vel is ok if you want some part timers in your group, Andor and Cinta are the kind of people you want to win a rebellion. Do-ers who think on their feet and get poo poo done.
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Blackchamber posted:That was my point about her. She didn't get told by Vel what Luthen wanted, but she came to the same conclusion about how to proceed with her mission as the spymaster/head of the rebellion and went to it. When you are on the same wavelength as your rebel leader that's a good thing. Cinta was not on the same wavelength as Luthen. Luthen wanted Vel and Cinta at the hotel to find Cassian and neither of them were because Vel was running around town while Cinta was playing Hitman with ISB agent. Ironically it's the reason probably both of them are still alive since they avoid the bomb, but Luthen doesn't give a poo poo about shanking a lone agent. Luthen wanted eyes on Cassian and it just ended up being himself and no one else, and that helps Cassian remain completely undetected. The ISB wasn't actively looking for Cinta or even aware of an off-world rebel presence, and she would have been completely fine if she stayed put until Vel caught up with her, and then they would have both been at the hotel and more likely run into Cassian. She just wanted to hunt, and it could have gotten her boss killed. PunkBoy fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Nov 25, 2022 |
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Gervasius posted:Brasso & Kino Loy show when? Organizing unions, braining imps with bricks and being buds? I'm torn because I absolutely want more Kino Loy and Andy Serkis in Andor and to see what happened to his character, but drat if we never see him again in the show it's an effective arc and send-off for the character so part of me does want us to never see the character again.
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NowonSA posted:I'm torn because I absolutely want more Kino Loy and Andy Serkis in Andor and to see what happened to his character, but drat if we never see him again in the show it's an effective arc and send-off for the character so part of me does want us to never see the character again. Just have Serkis play a third SW character. Kino's identical brother Beeno Boy. He's real torn up about his brother's death and goes by the rebel handle Kino to honor him.
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Thundercracker posted:Just have Serkis play a third SW character. Kino's identical brother Beeno Boy. He's real torn up about his brother's death and goes by the rebel handle Kino to honor him. Then Kino turns up alive in the season finale and you have two of them riffing off eachother.
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stev posted:Then Kino turns up alive in the season finale and you have two of them riffing off eachother. Complete with the mirror-cutting Gollum style
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Blackchamber posted:Vel is the one who went off script by even leaving Ferrix to gently caress about on Corrusant and see her cousin and try and confront Luthen at the shop. I don’t know what Vel was supposed to be doing or if she even had a standing assignment beyond “see if you can find Andor somehow” but Cinta is the one that told her to leave Ferrix in the first place. Vel wanted to stay with Cinta.
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I need a screen cap of Dedra's hornyface after Syril yanks her to safety. I was so afraid they were gonna gently caress
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Is this the first Star Wars shanking? People get slashed/impaled a lot, but it's usually with laser swords. The Mandalorian used vibroknives a lot, but this is I think the first on-screen shanking with just a regular knife that goes so far as to have the squishy noise, blood on her hand, and her making sure to gut him instead of just one stab. All of the violence in that episode felt really painful and visceral in ways Star Wars usually isn't. People are getting brained with bricks and slammed into walls or choked out, blasters are blowing people right out of the frame, Dedra nearly gets torn to shreds by an angry mob, that traitor gets absolutely bodied by a window exploding and spraying him with glass. Nobody got dismembered but it wasn't stylized at all. Just brutal.
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chitoryu12 posted:The Mandalorian used vibroknives a lot, but this is I think the first on-screen shanking with just a regular knife that goes so far as to have the squishy noise, blood on her hand, and her making sure to gut him instead of just one stab. I appreciate how brutal they've been allowed to make the violence feel when they can't be graphic.
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Neo Rasa posted:I appreciate how brutal they've been allowed to make the violence feel when they can't be graphic. Mostly killing people with faces is huge. A dozen faceless stormtroopers getting hosed with blaster fire is way less impactful than Cassian executing some prison guard or police agent (also, wow, he is not shy at all with double tapping downed enemies. It's great.)
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Total Meatlove posted:It’s still mind blowing that he went (from a UK perspective) to one of the most famous actors in the country, to complete obscurity for a decade, to Batman and Andor in the same year. 112 episodes of Eastenders will really take it out of you.
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josh04 posted:112 episodes of Eastenders will really take it out of you. I think I remember hearing that he also got harassed by the psychos that couldn't tell the difference between the character and the actor during his time on Eastenders, since the character he played was a complete piece of poo poo abuser. I could see that scaring him off from continuing acting for a while.
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Pobrecito posted:I don't know the name but the droid fro Solo is the worst IMO. What could be a really interesting topic - droid liberation - is basically played as a joke and the droid is the equivalent of like a college revolutionary thinking storming the student union is some big act of revolution. Oh and Lando is (maybe?) loving the droid. Yes, this is one of the reasons I HATE Solo. That could have been an entire movie, but when the driod revolution starts to happen, it's treated as an annoyance to our main characters, including the droid who supposedly wanted exactly that.
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PunkBoy posted:Cinta was not on the same wavelength as Luthen. Luthen wanted Vel and Cinta at the hotel to find Cassian and neither of them were because Vel was running around town while Cinta was playing Hitman with ISB agent. Ironically it's the reason probably both of them are still alive since they avoid the bomb, but Luthen doesn't give a poo poo about shanking a lone agent. Luthen wanted eyes on Cassian and it just ended up being himself and no one else, and that helps Cassian remain completely undetected. The ISB wasn't actively looking for Cinta or even aware of an off-world rebel presence, and she would have been completely fine if she stayed put until Vel caught up with her, and then they would have both been at the hotel and more likely run into Cassian. She just wanted to hunt, and it could have gotten her boss killed. Yeah that was all before everything exploded into a riot and people were getting blapped by troopers. They didn't know about the sewers that Ma-ma-maarva and Andor did, and there was no way they were going to solid snake past all the troopers with riot shields and people on the roofs shooting into the crowd. The plan was dead at the point and the shanking was again a target of opportunity before clearing the hell out of town because the empire is definitely going to send a message in the wake of this.
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Soonmot posted:Yes, this is one of the reasons I HATE Solo. That could have been an entire movie, but when the driod revolution starts to happen, it's treated as an annoyance to our main characters, including the droid who supposedly wanted exactly that. I'm a Solo defender but the droid stuff was by far the worst part of it. Half-baked and poorly executed all-around.
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mdemone posted:I need a screen cap of Dedra's hornyface after Syril yanks her to safety. I was so afraid they were gonna gently caress I think Gilroy himself said it was meant to be shock that she was being touched, something she wasn't happy about when he did it outside of the ISB HQ. I could see her turning him into a disposable adjutant/bodyguard/human shield now that she needs a new one, but no more.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I think Gilroy himself said it was meant to be shock that she was being touched, something she wasn't happy about when he did it outside of the ISB HQ. Yeah, her reaction seemed way more a mix of "intense fear at the situation she was just in and confusion as to how and why her stalker had dragged her into this room"
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I think Gilroy himself said it was meant to be shock that she was being touched, something she wasn't happy about when he did it outside of the ISB HQ. Next season opens with him making solar panel joints
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Just finished the finale and I'll echo everyone in saying it was amazing. Also, I love just how surprised Dedra was to see Syril... "You?!?" I can't wait to see where those two end up next season.
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There's a very good reason we never saw how/what Dedra is/does when she's off the clock because the answer is probably "more work." She very clearly has no other passions, which is another reason Syril's stalker bullshit puts her off-kilter, because she's utterly incapable of processing anything other than solving the puzzle and dunking on her competition. FBI special agents can rarely have healthy, normal relationships and when you throw intergalactic travel into the mix with your boss being a scary, seemingly omnipotent evil ballsack-faced space wizard who's never happy with your results, I'm guessing the stress is ratcheted up a thousand-fold.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:This probably will not be good for her career Great point! Who can better relate to the professional shitstorm she is about to go through, than Syril? He will be there to catch her fall from grace and together they will chase Justice for the Empire.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:There's a very good reason we never saw how/what Dedra is/does when she's off the clock because the answer is probably "more work." I know it'll be nigh-impossible to thread the needle, but I'm hoping we get at least one scene of someone reporting to Palpatine/Palpatine at the Senate in S2. Maybe show the dissolution of the Senate mentioned in ANH.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:This probably will not be good for her career I do like that in the end Ferrix is a quagmire that just kind of demolishes peoples careers. It's a shame that the ISB can't be shuttered like Syril's corpo job.
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I haven't seen Rogue One but I know how it ends. I didn't realize that Mom Mothra plays a part in it. Does she get a lot of screentime, or a side character?
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The Emperor orders Yularen to order Partagaz to hire Syril and put him to work directly under Dedra. Not as part of any grand plan, not as punishment for her gently caress-ups on Ferrix, but simply because he thinks that would be loving hilarious.
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Hughmoris posted:I haven't seen Rogue One but I know how it ends. I didn't realize that Mom Mothra plays a part in it. Does she get a lot of screentime, or a side character? Not a lot of screen time, but delivers some key dialogue. Definitely a supporting role.
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