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Throatwarbler posted:People in the covid thread jokingly call covid airborne HIV. Given the level of understanding we now have of HIV and the theraputics available to "long HIV" sufferers vs long Covid, it's not an exaggeration lol this again. you people are loving maniacs
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Nov 27, 2022 19:12
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They should have let isolated provinces (i.e. Hainan) do their own experiments of easing up. Feeling the covid stone to cross the river so to speak. I am not being sarcastic.
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Nov 27, 2022 19:16
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Kindest Forums User posted:Liberals are loving obsessed with other states oppressing their people. Like freaks they get off on that poo poo. Seeing any of forms of civil discontent gives them an endorphin rush. Theyre desperate for it. theyll take anything to maintain the illusion they're the dominant species of all that is good and pure. The more brutal another countries citizens are treated the better the high. When a "internationally recognized" institution like the UN whisper the word genocide into a liberal's ear, their eyes immediately roll back into their skull, their mouth drops open with saliva slipping by their lips, and their consciousness goes into a state of pure euphoria. Nothing will ever beat the high of pure strain mass death. i was on the guardian (for world cup news, otherwise i avoid that trash) and anti covid zero in china was naturally the top headline
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Nov 27, 2022 19:24
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liberals literally only want one thing and it's loving disgusting
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Nov 27, 2022 19:26
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Listen, if the Guardians is not covering China, they would be covering world cup human right/pollution/safety/anything non western issues wall to wall. So Qatar dodged a bullet there.
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Nov 27, 2022 19:30
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stephenthinkpad posted:Listen, if the Guardians is not covering China, they would be covering world cup human right/pollution/safety/anything non western issues wall to wall. So Qatar dodged a bullet there. that's very unfair. they do cover western issues, like republicans and tories being bad. for some reason when there was a genuine left alternative to the tories a few years ago they didn't like that much either, very strange
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Nov 27, 2022 19:32
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stephenthinkpad posted:They should have let isolated provinces (i.e. Hainan) do their own experiments of easing up. Feeling the covid stone to cross the river so to speak. I am not being sarcastic. They are letting Taiwan experiment with COVID policy
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Nov 27, 2022 19:45
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you can't maintain "zero covid" with masks and ventilation lol, especially not with omicron and especially with an immunologically naïve population. americans who only experienced covid in america should stfu in my opinion... there's a bunch of mitigation that can be done through a suppression strategy, and it's stupid to pretend abandoning elimination means giving up.
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Nov 27, 2022 20:04
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indigi posted:lol this again. you people are loving maniacs yep i'd rather this thread was free of this kind of stuff
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Nov 27, 2022 20:05
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tristeham posted:yep i'd rather this thread was free of this kind of stuff Dynamic Zero Covid thread
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Nov 27, 2022 20:09
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Atrocious Joe posted:They are letting Taiwan experiment with COVID policy I don't know how the Covid open up will turn out in China (depends very much on the popular variants in 22 and 23), but it's possible they should just copy Taiwan's half rear end open up strategy. BTW the ruling party still gets punished in the election.
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Nov 27, 2022 20:13
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Zodium posted:liberals literally only want one thing and it's loving disgusting 
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Nov 27, 2022 20:15
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Not So Fast posted:Dynamic Zero Covid thread Welcome to Dynamic Zero 
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Nov 27, 2022 20:24
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exmarx posted:you can't maintain "zero covid" with masks and ventilation lol, especially not with omicron and especially with an immunologically naïve population. Well the question is building immunity in a safe as possible way in a reasonable amount of population. Most Chinese people at this point have had at least three vaccinations, zero COVID wasn’t pointless.
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Nov 27, 2022 20:48
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tristeham posted:yep i'd rather this thread was free of this kind of stuff You'd rather this thread was free of discussion of COVID or its long term consequences? This thread about the only country in the world that hasn't had its entire population infected several times over?
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Nov 27, 2022 20:52
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A Spherical Sponge posted:You'd rather this thread was free of discussion of COVID or its long term consequences? This thread about the only country in the world that hasn't had its entire population infected several times over? is covid worse than HIV?
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Nov 27, 2022 20:53
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stephenthinkpad posted:They should have let isolated provinces (i.e. Hainan) do their own experiments of easing up. Feeling the covid stone to cross the river so to speak. I am not being sarcastic. Can't they just go to Hong Kong if they want to see how it looks like? Or did they get it back under control there?
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Nov 27, 2022 20:53
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i say swears online posted:is covid worse than HIV? its got more letters so yes
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Nov 27, 2022 20:54
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i say swears online posted:is covid worse than HIV? On the population level? Probably.
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Nov 27, 2022 20:55
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A Spherical Sponge posted:You'd rather this thread was free of discussion of COVID or its long term consequences? This thread about the only country in the world that hasn't had its entire population infected several times over? shut the hell up
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Nov 27, 2022 20:56
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Ardennes posted:Well the question is building immunity in a safe as possible way in a reasonable amount of population. Most Chinese people at this point have had at least three vaccinations, zero COVID wasn’t pointless. to be fair to the loving lunatics in the covid thread (next SA killer will deffo be a regular from there) it doesn't look like there's effective "immunity building" with covid given it takes the immune system about 8 months-a year to fully rebound from a case with moderate symptoms and we have next to no comprehensive data on what if any deleterious effects asymptomatic cases have I don't think there's a way to open up in any sort of scientifically "safe" way
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Nov 27, 2022 20:58
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indigi posted:to be fair to the loving lunatics in the covid thread (next SA killer will deffo be a regular from there) it doesn't look like there's effective "immunity building" with covid given it takes the immune system about 8 months-a year to fully rebound from a case with moderate symptoms and we have next to no comprehensive data on what if any deleterious effects asymptomatic cases have Looking at the data, it does seem there are improvements in immunity and mild/very mild cases seem to be the norm at this point. Also, there is a trade off for anything and you can’t open up without some deaths, that said the deaths in China actually are still very low and it may mean it would look very different than an opening in May 2020.
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Nov 27, 2022 21:12
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there's still a good chance the medical system is overwhelmed and there are excess deaths not immediately attributable to covid, as well as covid deaths The government can't go on TV and say that or w/e tho cause it will look like they know there's a weakness in the medical system and didn't do anything about it.
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Nov 27, 2022 21:15
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Antonymous posted:there's still a good chance the medical system is overwhelmed and there are excess deaths not immediately attributable to covid, as well as covid deaths I mean it doesn’t seem like it is overwhelming the system at this point. There may be excess deaths but it may simply be that there is already fairly high levels of immunity and the cases are contagious but generally mild.
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Nov 27, 2022 21:18
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covid zero is a cool policy but i would like china to do whatever makes the sa covid thread freak out the most
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Nov 27, 2022 21:20
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Ardennes posted:Looking at the data, it does seem there are improvements in immunity and mild/very mild cases seem to be the norm at this point. Also, there is a trade off for anything and you can’t open up without some deaths, that said the deaths in China actually are still very low and it may mean it would look very different than an opening in May 2020. It looks better than the same time last year, more or less the first time you can really say that, but I wouldn't declare victory before we're well into spring. After all we've had the same arguments about hybrid immunity last year already and that turned out to not be the case.
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Nov 27, 2022 21:28
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genericnick posted:It looks better than the same time last year, more or less the first time you can really say that, but I wouldn't declare victory before we're well into spring. After all we've had the same arguments about hybrid immunity last year already and that turned out to not be the case. Well the question is what victory looks like, and arguably it is simply immunity building in the population to the point that more severe cases are minimal.
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Nov 27, 2022 21:32
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Ardennes posted:Well the question is what victory looks like, and arguably it is simply immunity building in the population to the point that more severe cases are minimal. that's not really building immunity so much as culling the vulnerable.
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Nov 27, 2022 21:44
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AnimeIsTrash posted:shut the hell up
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Nov 27, 2022 21:45
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or what
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Nov 27, 2022 21:46
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Ardennes posted:Well the question is what victory looks like, and arguably it is simply immunity building in the population to the point that more severe cases are minimal. We still don't know if that is even a thing though. As far as I can see every protection you can measure wanes with time. Zodium posted:that's not really building immunity so much as culling the vulnerable. And that probably takes a few generations to get to some stable state. Not that great of an idea.
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Nov 27, 2022 21:46
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Ardennes posted:Well the question is what victory looks like, and arguably it is simply immunity building in the population to the point that more severe cases are minimal. that's just Open Biden
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Nov 27, 2022 21:46
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Zodium posted:that's not really building immunity so much as culling the vulnerable. Well the cat is out of the bag, and the question is what is China going to do at this point down the road. indigi posted:that's just Open Biden It isn’t but also what do you expect Beijing do at this point?
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Nov 27, 2022 21:47
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hopefully they do masks, vaccines and ventilation instead of "building immunity"
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Nov 27, 2022 21:48
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Ardennes posted:Well the cat is out of the bag, and the question is what is China going to do at this point down the road. among other things hopefully an aggressive campaign of adopting PPE
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Nov 27, 2022 21:48
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The current mrna vaccine regime used in the west is about 30% effective in preventing serious illness after about 4-6 months, depending on how immune evasive the circulating variant is. It provided negligible protection against long covid. There is no evidence that having 4 or 5 or 10 shots will confer long term immunity or meaningful protection from long covid at the population level. Paxlovid is very effective against acute covid, until a resistant variant takes hold which will likely happen soon. Paxlovid seems about 20%-30% effective at preventing long covid. You get to roll the dice 3 to 5 times a year, since neither vaccines nor infection confer any sort of long term immunity from infection. The US has had by far the best response amongst western countries in terms of pharmaceutical interventions. In America, you can get your choice of every kind of effective vaccine (Moderna, BioNtech, Novavax) at no cost regardless of insurance status at any number of convenient locations nationwide. You can also get Paxlovid for free (paid by the government), again with very little vetting. The US has an unusually large number of ICU beds and capacity, because ICUs are actually very profitable for hospitals - I think of all the other rich countries, only Germany come close because they somehow ended up/inherited a huge excess capacity in the former GDR. Living in America is the absolute best possible scenario for covid-avoiders outside of China. I just bought a bunch of Lucira molecular (near PCR level accuracy) covid tests on Amazon that cost me probably $10/piece out the door. The shitshows in places like Canada/UK/Italy are horrifying by comparison. In America well over a million have died, probably a million more give or take will die each year going forward from both acute and chronic covid, and millions will be permanently disabled and unemployable. There was a huge increase in the labor participation rate for disabled people in 2020-21 that likely won't be repeated. America is essentially like one of those sub Saharan African countries where Malaria or Schistosomiasis is endemic and will kill or disable a single digit percentage of the population every year, and that's just the will of Allah. At least American households will maintain their Kalashnikovs better. https://www.fastcompany.com/90795083/the-employment-rate-for-disabled-workers-is-higher-than-it-has-been-in-years China doesn't have anywhere close to the kind of medical system capacity that the US does. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 27, 2022 21:49
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didn't read, gently caress off
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Nov 27, 2022 21:50
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covid hosed my rear end
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Nov 27, 2022 21:52
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Wtf are you talking about Cuba and Vietnam both had, like, triple digit death tolls for Covid.
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Nov 27, 2022 21:52
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Wtf are you talking about Cuba and Vietnam both had, like, triple digit death tolls for Covid. covid thread people are loving cultists you can't discuss this stuff with them
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Nov 27, 2022 21:54
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