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lobster shirt posted:choosing to believe he meant yoked as in super jacked Yoked in this context refers to pairing two equally sized animals in a yoke together so that the larger doesn't drag the smaller along side and injure them both. Gyges already explained the meaning of the metaphor as applied to marriage.
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pseudorandom name posted:Yoked in this context refers to pairing two equally sized animals in a yoke together so that the larger doesn't drag the smaller along side and injure them both. Gyges already explained the meaning of the metaphor as applied to marriage.
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pseudorandom name posted:Yoked in this context refers to pairing two equally sized animals in a yoke together so that the larger doesn't drag the smaller along side and injure them both. Gyges already explained the meaning of the metaphor as applied to marriage. yes i am aware of what he actually meant, which is why i said that i choose to believe he meant something else
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I do agree that it's way more entertaining to believe the psycho is lamenting that he never found his muscle princess.cat botherer posted:Sounds like there might be some metaphors that people born in the last 200 years would understand better. Looks like some fancy pants didn't have their childhood wasted in Evangelical wonderland. Gyges fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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A lot of the incel and alt right mindsets come from a generation of young men who were implicitly or explicitly promised the world on a silver platter, and then grew up to get jack poo poo and then were given the classic scapegoats to blame for it because they were specifically not taught about material conditions.
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They’re essentially suicide bombers, although the closest I’ve heard making that comparison out loud was the research someone discussing mass shooting as a form of suicide. Suicide shooters are the same thing as suicide bombers. Why not call them such?
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Is this all Dobbs scrambling things in a Red state that also swings heavily pro-choice, or is it something else at work? https://twitter.com/ChazNuttycombe/status/1596278987437015040 https://twitter.com/maxtmcc/status/1596295182009438209
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is this all Dobbs scrambling things in a Red state that also swings heavily pro-choice, or is it something else at work? My only regret is that Ted Stevens isn't alive to have seen this happen, because I'm sure it would have loving killed him 
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nine-gear crow posted:My only regret is that Ted Stevens isn't alive to have seen this happen, because I'm sure it would have loving killed him How it'll work. Committees are detailed inside the article https://twitter.com/alaskalandmine/status/1596367609007464448
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Byzantine posted:The only thing that's ever stopped the Nazis has been killing them. Eh, nazis or their like are a factor in every society, Even pre-NSADP. Some succeeded to combat them without killing. The times they had to be killed due to letting their influence in society getting too big are probably the lion's share of stopping nazis, and certainly serve as the unstated warning in all stopping either way. But United States itself has examples of using simply the threat of violence and societal disapproval to subdue at the very least the worst excesses of fascists. Now when American society relents, forgives and forgets as so many people advocate for across the political spectrum, the Nazis return. It is a pretty obvious cycle in American history by now. Slavery - Compromise with Slavery - Civil War - Reconstruction - End of Reconstruction - Jim Crow - Civil Rights - Lapsing of Civil Rights - Trump - ? I think there is still a chance for Civil Rights level pullout without having to Civil War Nazis to stop them. That of course happens when they kill enough people that non-fascist-Americans enter their once-in-a-century "OK I am now so done with your poo poo" state of mind so I am not saying it is going to be great nor stop the cycle but I would say the non-violent options haven't been exhausted.
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Or they can get the classic idea 'Well maybe if we give them some of what they want and get rid of the people they complain about the most they'll calm down and stop being mean to us?'
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DarkCrawler posted:I think there is still a chance for Civil Rights level pullout without having to Civil War Nazis to stop them. That of course happens when they kill enough people that non-fascist-Americans enter their once-in-a-century "OK I am now so done with your poo poo" state of mind so I am not saying it is going to be great nor stop the cycle but I would say the non-violent options haven't been exhausted. Would that be a better option than finally rooting out our original sin?
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DarkCrawler posted:Eh, nazis or their like are a factor in every society, lol America isn’t going to relent. They’re going to be in denial, imagining someone else being the hero or the fash owning themselves out of existence, until it is too late and they take control. Unfortunately the type of brain that is resilient to reactionary politics is also built to rationalize and find harmony with the slowly boiling pot. Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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Cygnids posted:I mean, responding to “Do you think it is possible that a two-party relationship to power could be constructed that appears representative but actually primarily serves to redirect energy into ineffective paths” with “No, that’s Alex Jones poo poo” doesn’t seem like an accurate argument to me?… am I missing something there?… I feel a little crazy reading something like that and everyone here seemingly agreeing with it; the question was basically rhetorical since false elections under dictators absolutely exist as a demonstration of the concept and the response was aggro accusations of conspiracy thought and gatekeeping. Whether something is is gish galloping is not based on how true the argument actually is, it's based on whether the person making it regards it as strong and accurate. Being wrong isn't against D&D rules.
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Koos Group posted:Being wrong isn't against D&D rules. it should be, because allowing people to come in and post wrong things wastes everyone's time having to constantly explain the same poo poo over and over again to bad faith assholes who refuse to use google the eighty billionth time someone posts "GUYS ITS MEANINGLESS TO VOTE JOE ROGAN SAID SO" is not going to generate a new discussion or educate the joe rogan fan who will glaze over the posts refuting his claim in detail and post it again next time joe rogan says it on his podcast Iamgoofball fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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Iamgoofball posted:it should be, because allowing people to come in and post wrong things wastes everyone's time having to constantly explain the same poo poo over and over again to bad faith assholes who refuse to use google Posting the same thing multiple times without adjusting it for criticisms, or posting in bad faith, are against the rules. There are numerous reasons the rightness of an argument isn't moderated, including it forcing moderators to become ultimate arbiters of truth rather than facilitators of debate, the fact that it incentivizes bad faith, and the fact that D&D has worked much better when it's explicitly not done. I'm afraid this conversation is becoming a distraction from the thread's purpose so I must ask anyone with questions or concerns to PM me from here on.
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Discendo Vox posted:The Charlottesville car attack killed one person. Firearms are much better at this, it's what they're made for. as somebody who was present at a truck attack, in one of the socialist paradises not named USA, that killed nearly a hundred loving people and left nearly half a thousand wounded, a large sum of whom I have the displeasure of having seen in the horror, can we not make light of other horrific incidents to own how dumb and violent the US is? This whole incident coming less than a year after the mass shooting and bombing in Paris of course Ghost Leviathan posted:Australia and New Zealand had a mass shooting each, after which they effectively banned guns and removed them from circulation, no more mass shootings. Sucks for France and Brazil and Kazakhstan and Venezuela and and and and but thank god for y'all figuring it out. No gun murders in the bigbrain islands, except for ya know Darwin and Christchurch but see it wasn't that many people croikey
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is this all Dobbs scrambling things in a Red state that also swings heavily pro-choice, or is it something else at work? The missing context here (referenced in the midterms thread) is essentially "Alaska =/= the lower 48". Alaska is basically the state-wide version of "Local Politics" aka people care about party affiliation substantially less than in other states. Who you are and what you do for people is far more important. The above may seem wild, but when you consider that:
Source: Used to live in Anchorage.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:as somebody who was present at a truck attack, in one of the socialist paradises not named USA, that killed nearly a hundred loving people and left nearly half a thousand wounded, a large sum of whom I have the displeasure of having seen in the horror, can we not make light of other horrific incidents to own how dumb and violent the US is? This whole incident coming less than a year after the mass shooting and bombing in Paris of course I am not "making light of" other incidents to "own" the US. I am responding to someone who was attempting to use the Charlottesville attack as a counterexample. It doesn't work as such. Your post seems to be responding to claims not being made.
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slurm posted:Would that be a better option than finally rooting out our original sin? No, but I am not seeing any path to rooting it out with the present mindscape of non-fascist Americans. There is hope when as an increasing number of people isolate themselves from the fascists, but it is yet nowhere near the capacity of say, the last best chance of rooting it out which was Reconstruction. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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slurm posted:Would that be a better option than finally rooting out our original sin? Can someone help me with what this actually means? Like, the quoted question, in the context of this conversation. Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Can someone help me with what this actually means? Like, the quoted question, in the context of this conversation. Finally having our national truth and reconciliation on slavery and reparations for such (among the other atrocities like the deliberate attempted genocide of Native Americans).
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Oracle posted:Finally having our national truth and reconciliation on slavery and reparations for such (among the other atrocities like the deliberate attempted genocide of Native Americans). shutting down our current "brutalize your percieved racial inferiors until the price point for their labor hits the point that justifies their existence" initiative probably slots in there too. god knows ICE isn't doing a thing to stop immigration, and nobody even within the organization thinks the "we can't give them any civil rights because they're all plague-carrying vermin" is anything more than an excuse to dehumanize them further. but what it is, is a great way to keep their friends and family ICE -doesn't- catch from making any noise when their bosses refuse to pay them. we keep on reinventing slavery, and the professional caste of slave-catchers to go with them. we should probably stop doing that, at some point.
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Oracle posted:Finally having our national truth and reconciliation on slavery and reparations for such (among the other atrocities like the deliberate attempted genocide of Native Americans). I got that, but what does it even look like, and what's the thrust of the better option part of the question? I felt like there was some point being made but I wasn't sure what. It can't be as simple as "wouldn't fixing the fundamental issues with America be better than just staving off disaster" because, like, no poo poo, but how?? But it's moot because the person I quoted is on a week probe lol
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DarkCrawler posted:No, but I am not seeing any path to rooting it out with the present mindscape of non-fascist Americans. There is hope when as an increasing number of people isolate themselves from the fascists, but it is yet nowhere near the capacity of say, the last best chance of rooting it out which was Reconstruction. Is your point that the right wing is blocking gun legislature? The majority of shootings in the US are not coming from the right or are politically motivated.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Is your point that the right wing is blocking gun legislature? The majority of shootings in the US are not coming from the right or are politically motivated. I'm pretty sure the latter doesn't prevent the right wing from blocking gun legislation, which they are, nor is gun legislation inapplicable to non-politically motivated shootings of all kind (even accidental/suicidal ones).
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DarkCrawler posted:I'm pretty sure the latter doesn't prevent the right wing from blocking gun legislation, which they are, nor is gun legislation inapplicable to non-politically motivated shootings of all kind (even accidental/suicidal ones). I'm not saying it does? I just didn't understand how you were linking your pet theory to apolitical shootings but that makes sense.
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Biden put out a list of things he wants Congress to pass during the lame duck session. Several of them seem unlikely. 1) A full government funding deal/budget for the year. Current CR expires on December 16th. Most budgets are expected to rise with inflation without dramatic cuts or increases, but Biden also wants more money for the NIH, CDC, and the NCI to fund his "cancer moonshot" program. 2) Lift the debt ceiling. Unclear if it will happen. Seems unlikely. Some Dems don't want to do it on a partisan basis and get tagged in ads for "raising America's debt by trillions of dollars on a partisan vote." Some Republicans want to do it because they think it will be a huge headache for McCarthy if they do it next year. 3) The Annual National Defense Authorization Act This is expected to just be a continuation of the previous year's bill, but with extra funds to change the names of dozens of U.S. military bases, streets, and other buildings, as well as removing statues and other fixtures that honor Confederate generals. 4) Officially pass the Respect for Marriage Act. It overcame filibuster for a procedural vote with 62 votes and will likely pass. 5) Pass the bipartisan Electoral Count Act overhaul. This is mostly about preventing states and congress from changing, disregarding, or recognizing alternative slates of the electoral voters from states. Specifics from the bill: quote:Identify Official to Submit Slate. Identifies each state’s Governor, unless otherwise specified in the laws or constitution of a state in effect on Election Day, as responsible for submitting the certificate of ascertainment identifying that state’s electors. Congress could not accept a slate submitted by a different official. This reform would address the potential for multiple state officials to send Congress competing slates. 6) Pass an assault weapons ban and mandatory background checks on private firearms sales. Almost definitely dead. Chris Murphy acknowledged as much: quote:“Does it have 60 votes in the Senate right now? Probably not,” he said. “But let’s see if we can try to get that number as close to 60 as possible.” 7) Pass new funding for for Ukraine. This is to fund a missile defense system for Ukraine following Russia's recent weeks of missile attacks. 8) Pass $9.8 billion additional funds for Covid-19 efforts and to renew expiring tax provisions related to Covid. The same ~$10 billion for Covid and Monkeypox they have been trying to pass since August. Free vaccines, testing, etc. 9) Increase federal Medicaid funding for U.S. territories. Congress has to periodically renew the federal Medicaid funding for territories. Biden is asking them to increase it instead of just renewing it. 10) Delay cuts to Medicare provider payments (the amount that doctors receive for taking Medicare patients) that are scheduled to be phased in next year. 11) Confirm 38 different federal judicial nominees and executive agency nominations. 12) Make changes to retirement accounts. Changes include: - Creating an online, searchable “Retirement Lost and Found” database at the Department of Labor to help workers locate their retirement savings as they move from job to job and forgot to roll over. - Allows charities, educational institutions, non-profits, and other entities that sponsor 403(b) plans to participate in multiple employer retirement plans and pooled employer plans. - Enables employers to provide small financial incentives to incentivize workers’ participation in retirement plans without any tax cost to the employee. - Requires the Labor Department to review existing rules on pension risk transfers. - Allows employers to match other federal benefits tax-free (such as student loans or Medicare premiums) in the same way they match retirement contributions. - Allows up to $1,000 per year to be withdrawn from your 401(k) or IRA for emergencies with no tax or penalty. - Survivors of domestic abuse can withdraw 50% of their retirement accounts or $10,000 (whichever is less) with no taxes or penalties for doing so early. - The current tax credit for individual contributions to retirement plans could be received as a government contribution to the plan, instead of cash as part of a tax return, of up to 50% of the individual’s contribution or $2,000, whichever is greater. 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This would allow you to take the credit as a contribution to your retirement account, which would allow you to get the full credit no matter what.) - Employers who offer up to 2% matching on retirement contributions for their employees will get a tax credit. - Raise the age for Required Mandatory Distributions from IRAs and 401(k)s to 75 from 72. 13) A bipartisan deal on banking reform to allow people in various aspects of the legal marijuana business to transfer money internationally and interstate without potentially incurring any penalties under laws designed to prevent drug trafficking money from leaving the country or anti-terrorism laws. 14) More federal aid for Hurricane relief for Florida. https://rollcall.com/2022/11/14/the-quacking-begins-a-look-at-the-lame-duck-agenda/ https://www.planadviser.com/senate-finance-committee-proposes-final-text-earn-act/ https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/03/biden-world-lame-duck-debt-ceiling-2024-00064887 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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pencilhands posted:what are the chances of the debt ceiling not being raised next year and the US going into default? Higher than they have ever been, but literally all the money in the world wants the ceiling raised
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pencilhands posted:what are the chances of the debt ceiling not being raised next year and the US going into default? The Republicans will make a good show of it, but they work for capital, and capital 100% wants it raised. They'll try to get concessions from dems (they've already talked about cuts to social secuirty and medicare), but all the dems have to say is "no" and eventually the Republicans will get screamed at by a banker lobbyist and they'll raise it.
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Is that as much of a guarantee anymore? Like is Capital Inc making MTG yell about the bankers having Qanon child trafficking tunnels directly into the Congressional Record and so forth? It seems like a rapidly growing contingent of the federal government are True Believers now and are therefore more difficult to lever but that might just be a different set of smoke and mirrors idk
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Meatball posted:The Republicans will make a good show of it, but they work for capital, and capital 100% wants it raised.
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projecthalaxy posted:Is that as much of a guarantee anymore? Like is Capital Inc making MTG yell about the bankers having Qanon child trafficking tunnels directly into the Congressional Record and so forth? It seems like a rapidly growing contingent of the federal government are True Believers now and are therefore more difficult to lever but that might just be a different set of smoke and mirrors idk With the small split in the house, you only need to convince a handful of the most moderate/threatened Republicans to switch sides
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projecthalaxy posted:Is that as much of a guarantee anymore? Like is Capital Inc making MTG yell about the bankers having Qanon child trafficking tunnels directly into the Congressional Record and so forth? It seems like a rapidly growing contingent of the federal government are True Believers now and are therefore more difficult to lever but that might just be a different set of smoke and mirrors idk That's certainly an issue, but those types tend to be more of a problem in the House than in the Senate, so I don't think it's at a level where it would seriously drive us into crisis just yet. Also, there's a recent object lesson from South Korea that might hopefully quell the self-destructive urges just a bit. A hyper-conservative governor there decided a few months ago that he was going to cut his province's debt by simply refusing to honor some debts it took on under his predecessor, and now he's known as the guy who wrecked the entire country's credit market because he didn't want to pay for a Legoland. https://twitter.com/osamabishounen/status/1592218400197312512
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Main Paineframe posted:That's certainly an issue, but those types tend to be more of a problem in the House than in the Senate, so I don't think it's at a level where it would seriously drive us into crisis just yet. This is a pretty good "Conservative principles meet the real world" story. Always amazing watching Rightwingers pounce on the third rail over and over. Reminds me of something I came across recently; how much they love to cosplay intellectuals. True believers like MTG and Lauren "I'm tired of this separation of church and state junk" Boebert don't even know what day it is. They'll absolutely turn the nuclear football missile key with a hallelujah and big fat grin, if they ever have the numbers. On the other hand relying on Taliban Capital to pull our asses out of the fire with Vanilla ISIS is also probably a situation we should try harder not to be in.
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The object lesson is just because your rich and can convince your rich idiot friend to run for office doesn't mean he can't do something even stupider once he's in the chair. This is why you give important chairs to the sociopath offcasts from Wall Street and the white shoe firms. Maybe that dumb fund the crazies plan was an attempt to crash the economy faster.
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cat botherer posted:Sounds like there might be some metaphors that people born in the last 200 years would understand better. Its a reference to a bible verse thats pretty popular in Christian communities, so it's just in-group signalling.
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