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What is the preferred way to deal with Ragers if they manage to get up close, particularly the armoured variety? Seems like I can't stagger them, can't block them for more than a couple of seconds, can't even effectively dodge them with way they slide around. It usually feels like the only thing I can really do is hold block and eat substantial damage while I hope my teammates manage to remove them in time.
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Nov 28, 2022 18:38
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It's a lot more than 1 damage a hit if your toughness is down at all. I really feel like there shouldn't be any enemy toughness-piercing melee damage if your toughness is over say 50%, and even below that threshold it should be reduced. I'm not really interested in going beyond hazard 3 due to the combination of melee damage bleedthrough and the game spawning enemies behind you midswing
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Nov 28, 2022 18:41
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Perestroika posted:What is the preferred way to deal with Ragers if they manage to get up close, particularly the armoured variety? Seems like I can't stagger them, can't block them for more than a couple of seconds, can't even effectively dodge them with way they slide around. It usually feels like the only thing I can really do is hold block and eat substantial damage while I hope my teammates manage to remove them in time. If you have a weapon with high mobility (provided that’s doing what I think it is) you can block their initial strike and then dodge back a couple times. Once they’re in their attack string they can’t seem to move forward the best, only a couple feet or so. Drop back and blast them.
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Nov 28, 2022 18:41
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CuddleCryptid posted:I keep seeing people say "no temp HP" but honestly the chip damage is that temp HP, it's just that you don't get absolute zero damage. At least through level 3 it's what, 1 damage from a hit from normal enemies? With 100 health that's still 100 hits if you keep your toughness topped off. Yeah that's obviously reductive and it will scale differently at higher levels, but it's functionally very similar, especially when you start boosting your total health. Doesn't the chip damage scale up as your toughness drops? I'm not good enough to watch it while I'm fighting. Getting temp hp just seems way easier than getting toughness, but maybe I'm just still bad. Also the toughness mechanic makes it real easy to get worn down over time because even if you've got your damage shield, it isn't really fully shielding you and you will get ground down in higher levels with less frequent heals. In vermintide enemies HAVE to get through your temp hp to kill you, they can't sneak around to get to your 1 "real" HP through your 100 temp HP big cummers ONLY fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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Nov 28, 2022 18:42
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Nov 28, 2022 18:44
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Perestroika posted:What is the preferred way to deal with Ragers if they manage to get up close, particularly the armoured variety? Seems like I can't stagger them, can't block them for more than a couple of seconds, can't even effectively dodge them with way they slide around. It usually feels like the only thing I can really do is hold block and eat substantial damage while I hope my teammates manage to remove them in time. Dodge backwards if possible and kill them asap.
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Nov 28, 2022 18:49
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Perestroika posted:What is the preferred way to deal with Ragers if they manage to get up close, particularly the armoured variety? Seems like I can't stagger them, can't block them for more than a couple of seconds, can't even effectively dodge them with way they slide around. It usually feels like the only thing I can really do is hold block and eat substantial damage while I hope my teammates manage to remove them in time. I'm maining Zealot so I press the F button and start clicking till I stop taking damage.
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Nov 28, 2022 18:54
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Perestroika posted:What is the preferred way to deal with Ragers if they manage to get up close, particularly the armoured variety? Seems like I can't stagger them, can't block them for more than a couple of seconds, can't even effectively dodge them with way they slide around. It usually feels like the only thing I can really do is hold block and eat substantial damage while I hope my teammates manage to remove them in time. Depends on class. Psyker can either brain burst from a distance or one-shot with a charged force sword attack or stunlock with chain lightning. Zealot can nearly one shot with charged chainsword or fully one shot with charged chain axe or evis. You can also pop them easily from range with a bolter Sharpshooter can pop them with bolter/plasma/chainssword Ogryn can fully knock them out of combos and stunlock them with melee special attacks (the slap, jab, and uppercut from the pipe, shovel, and knife respectively), shield bashes, and their charge attack. Not all of these are a end all solution, doubly so if they are mixed in with hordes and such making charged attacks difficult. In a horde it's got to be kind of a team effort of tying them up and picking off. If you're the target sometimes you just got to block and hope your buddies got your back.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:09
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One of the Veterans voice actors playing with randos... hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDXYHE22-o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yagz5AszfM
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Nov 28, 2022 19:11
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This is the most crash-prone game I've played since... uh I guess Vermintide 2.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:13
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One thing I found out yesterday is that the veteran's signature shovel has a special attack with truly ridiculous stagger, able to chain stun even beserkers, maulers and crushers with ease. The power sword is awesome but I'm fully expecting it to get nerfed so trying to stay sharp with my combat shovel. It's a really versatile weapon! Wide swings on heavy attacks, solid light attack string, push attack is that classic overhead onto the head for a one-shot on chaff, and the special is amazing at staggering fools
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Nov 28, 2022 19:14
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DeathSandwich posted:The rumbler is my favorite ogryn gun at the moment. It's probably not as mechanically good as the stubber (which still has significant issues, it's got passible midrange but it's poo poo against long range and ogryns of all flavors), but there's nothing quite as satisfying as the grenade crunching off of armor / bones / faces, tumbling through the air for a second, and then detonating. Making the detonation straight impact would probably be more useful, but the crunch and the tumble for a beat is way more visually satisfying and funnier. It also lays out ogryn sized enemies and gives people time to beat on its rear end. Doesn't kill Poxbursters in one gutshot (and maybe even on a headshot, but it's not like they give you time to aim down sights). That's a big issue since you have gently caress else to deal with those. Well, grenades I guess. But there's more poxbustahs than you have grenades. Orv posted:My experience with the Rumbler is also that it’s extremely stat dependent. Early ones are basically useless. A tricked out purple one will wreck shop. Ah, that could be it tho.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:17
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rideANDxORdie posted:One thing I found out yesterday is that the veteran's signature shovel has a special attack with truly ridiculous stagger, able to chain stun even beserkers, maulers and crushers with ease. The power sword is awesome but I'm fully expecting it to get nerfed so trying to stay sharp with my combat shovel. It's a really versatile weapon! Wide swings on heavy attacks, solid light attack string, push attack is that classic overhead onto the head for a one-shot on chaff, and the special is amazing at staggering fools Interesting, might need to give it another whirl later.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:18
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Internet Explorer posted:At least it gives you a chance to kill them when they spawn right ontop of you, lol Had a very rude one today. Popped out of a monster closet right next to me and immediately blew up. No ticking, no nothing. Just "HiGETFUUUUCKED"
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Nov 28, 2022 19:21
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I'm 10000% not sold on the Heavy Stubber. In my experience it starts firing too slow, it's best at killing things at a range Ogryn is already effective at, and the slow ready time makes it terrible at on-demand special deleting. Team Rumbler.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:26
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I hope they increase the noise of enemy footsteps. Wayyyyy too many times mobs just snuck up and shanked me from behind.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:26
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Mesadoram posted:I hope they increase the noise of enemy footsteps. Wayyyyy too many times mobs just snuck up and shanked me from behind.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:34
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Pierson posted:Also enemies have been proven to literally teleport into existence behind you. Hoping that and enemies being able to dip into and out of monster closets has a second look because it feels bad to get a bead on a trapper/bomber and they just run off into the Among Us vents. The comments say there is a drop down ledge above that spot. If there's literally no way for an enemy to get there without teleporting, I'd believe it, but idk if I'm convinced. Someone confirming there's no drop down above them would be enough to convince me. The monster closet shenanigans are clearly observable and some bullshit, though, for sure.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:37
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I'm 10000% not sold on the Heavy Stubber. In my experience it starts firing too slow, it's best at killing things at a range Ogryn is already effective at, and the slow ready time makes it terrible at on-demand special deleting. Yeah, I've been using the Heavy Stubber and I have to say it's been a bit disappointing for me. As you say, it takes forever to get going, and it's useless at long range. It is fun to unload into an oncoming horde, but hordes are already covered by my melee weapon, so the Stubber doesn't add much in that regard. Maybe I should try something else, though I'm not sure what.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:45
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big cummers ONLY posted:The comments say there is a drop down ledge above that spot. If there's literally no way for an enemy to get there without teleporting, I'd believe it, but idk if I'm convinced. Someone confirming there's no drop down above them would be enough to convince me. The monster closet shenanigans are clearly observable and some bullshit, though, for sure. You can see there's no ledge on that side of the corridor at the start of the video. I've had this stuff happen to me too.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:46
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I'm 10000% not sold on the Heavy Stubber. In my experience it starts firing too slow, it's best at killing things at a range Ogryn is already effective at, and the slow ready time makes it terrible at on-demand special deleting. The Stubber causes massive amounts of suppression and stagger at whatever you're firing at, so you can basically stop an entire firing line of gunners, shotgunners, flamers, and gun grunts from firing while you and your team picks them apart. It's probably one of the best high-difficulty weapons for Ogryn imo.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:48
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Broken Cog posted:The Stubber causes massive amounts of suppression and stagger at whatever you're firing at, so you can basically stop an entire firing line of gunners, shotgunners, flamers, and gun grunts from firing while you and your team picks them apart. Maybe if I have a regular group of four I'll give it another go, but anything that relies on my team to be competent is a big no for me right now.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:49
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trying to keep my warp charges at max for 5 minutes straight is going to drive me to madness which seems thematically appropriate for the psyker
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Nov 28, 2022 19:51
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Not a fan of toughness being armor myself, mostly since at higher difficulty levels the occasional back attack goes from doing 2-3 chip damage to suddenly taking out 10ish HP and getting your toughness to 50% or less. Toughness is ranged armor and nothing else, and not even close to a replacement for temp HP. If the game didnt have silent, teleporting melee enemies that skate 15+ meters to hit you in the back it would be worth more, but as it stands its nearly impossible to not take damage.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:58
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big cummers ONLY posted:The comments say there is a drop down ledge above that spot. If there's literally no way for an enemy to get there without teleporting, I'd believe it, but idk if I'm convinced. Someone confirming there's no drop down above them would be enough to convince me. The monster closet shenanigans are clearly observable and some bullshit, though, for sure. I watched a poxwalker spawn behind my three teammates with their backs turned on the stairs during the dust disruption mission while you wait for the bridges to rotate. It's a thing.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:59
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How did they gently caress that up when they managed to patch out teleporting enemies in VT2. Oh well I still love them.
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Nov 28, 2022 20:13
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what's the play for a psyker for hitting the weak point on the back of a beast of nurgle? just plinking it with basic staff shots? seems like trying to dig into it up close with a force sword strike (which would be my druthers) just leads to you getting swatted away by its aoe smash attack on the initial hit before the force strike goes off, which interrupts it, makes you take damage, and in one case gets yourself flung off a cliff to your death
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Nov 28, 2022 20:21
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For as many weird regressions and questionable design choices as there are, I am seeing probably 1/20th as many gameplay bugs as VT2 on launch. it’s borderline shocking how little jank there is compared to that reference point. Technical issues like crashes/disconnects/performance are there, but I’m seeing a minimum of cases in the moment-to-moment gameplay where something happens that obviously isn’t right. The game feels like it actually works as designed. Fatshark continues to be completely unpredictable in every way I wrote from my previous beta experience that I had a highly negative impression of the game but would keep an eye on it because of the fatshark chaos factor, and sure enough they surprised me in a good way.
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Nov 28, 2022 20:23
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The performance issues are really a bummer because the game goes from smooth as butter, to completely unplayable really quickly, and it's difficult to tell what's happening until you die to something you can't see or someone disconnects and leaves you all shorthanded with an incompetent bot.
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Nov 28, 2022 20:32
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wedgie deliverer posted:The performance issues are really a bummer because the game goes from smooth as butter, to completely unplayable really quickly, and it's difficult to tell what's happening until you die to something you can't see or someone disconnects and leaves you all shorthanded with an incompetent bot. My favorite is doing perfectly fine for ten minutes then watching Darktide try to use 5Mbit of my 1Mbit upload for thirty seconds, making everything in the house completely unusable. Then it's back to ~100Kbit upload for another ten minutes. It's not frustrating at all!
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Nov 28, 2022 20:48
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Kobal2 posted:Doesn't kill Poxbursters in one gutshot (and maybe even on a headshot, but it's not like they give you time to aim down sights). Fellow team rumbler here and the stats make a huge difference. Supposedly there is a trait that makes your grenades stick to monstrosities which I still have not seen yet but sounds like it would ideal. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/rumbler/lorenz-mk-vi-rumbler
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Nov 28, 2022 20:52
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Psykers are the worst cause of frame issues if they set a whole horde on fire it's pretty hilarious.
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Nov 28, 2022 20:53
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i'm starting to remember the very familiar sensation of "low difficulty missions are a complete snoozefest but a guaranteed cash payout with randos" versus "harder difficulty missions are more fun but earn you essentially no resources if you fail"
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Nov 28, 2022 20:56
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ChaseSP posted:Psykers are the worst cause of frame issues if they set a whole horde on fire it's pretty hilarious. The Psyker F skill absolutely blows up my machines performance even without soulblaze.
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Nov 28, 2022 20:56
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Cowcaster posted:i'm starting to remember the very familiar sensation of "low difficulty missions are a complete snoozefest but a guaranteed cash payout with randos" versus "harder difficulty missions are more fun but earn you essentially no resources if you fail" I can't solo queue for 3* missions anymore. There's so many level 5-10's that just blunder on blindly ahead, don't tag enemies, don't know what pushing is, and either abandon teammates that get jumped or get jumped themselves and die four hallways off. 
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Nov 28, 2022 21:01
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Exodee posted:It's absolutely terrible at taking down specials or ranged troops at medium/long range. (though it will supress them I suppose) And there's a lot of those on Heresy+. The MK2 Braced Autogun is absolutely freakin' nuts at taking down specials, except for Crushers and Maulers. It's phenomenal and IMO the best ranged weapon for Zealot, nothing else feels even remotely close to its overall usefulness against literally everything (except two enemy types, and it's fine against Maulers it just takes a full mag on Difficulty 4+). Every single other ranged weapon comes with significant drawbacks that the MK2 autogun easily sidesteps. The MK7 one (Agrippina?) is just trash. Bad, awful, terrible. Everything about it is bad and it sucks for everything. I find it borderline unusable. Hard to hit with, absurd recoil, chews through ammo. The MK4 (Graia) is... okay. It's not nearly as good as the MK2 but it's better than the MK7. However its ammo efficiency is pathetic and one horde on 4*+ will eat up your entire ammo supply. My biggest problem with the autogun is that the Thunder Hammer is the natural complement to it (to take down crushers) but the Thunder Hammer is trash, and the Eviscerator sucks against Crushers too 
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Nov 28, 2022 21:04
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I feel like a bit of a disclaimer is in order for people testing out weapons right now. The trait "+#% bonus damage to elites" is apparently currently bugged, and does 10x as much as it's supposed to, so +8% becomes +80% etc. Which might skew results a bit.
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Nov 28, 2022 21:09
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Broken Cog posted:I feel like a bit of a disclaimer is in order for people testing out weapons right now. 👀
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Nov 28, 2022 21:13
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Murder Noveau posted:Fellow team rumbler here and the stats make a huge difference. Supposedly there is a trait that makes your grenades stick to monstrosities which I still have not seen yet but sounds like it would ideal. It exists, I got it when I upgraded my rumbler to gold last night. So my ilevel 489 rumbler has +25% to unarmored and flak enemies, restore 10% toughness on elite kill, and grenades stick to monstrosities. I posted it in the goonintide discord last night. The shots are already really good against monstrosities, this just makes it even better now. 420 Donk Gun Erry Day.
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deep dish peat moss posted:The MK2 Braced Autogun is absolutely freakin' nuts at taking down specials, except for Crushers and Maulers. It's phenomenal and IMO the best ranged weapon for Zealot, nothing else feels even remotely close to its overall usefulness against literally everything (except two enemy types, and it's fine against Maulers it just takes a full mag on Difficulty 4+). Every single other ranged weapon comes with significant drawbacks that the MK2 autogun easily sidesteps. But to put money where my mouth is, I've bought a Braced Autogun with high damage and stability and tested it against a bunch of other guns at around 25 meters: (which is quite reasonably short ranged given the typical engagements in this game) https://i.imgur.com/XBOGzvP.mp4 Against specials it's similar or even worse for the bomber with their smaller hitbox.
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