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Nov 27, 2022 10:33
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I've heard Drugs also make you a Really Good Detective.
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Nov 27, 2022 11:20
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Caufman posted:I've heard Drugs also make you a Really Good Detective. poo poo, you're right. Maybe there are more than 5 Ds
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Nov 27, 2022 12:06
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Orange Devil posted:5 Ds and no Disco? Boo this man! No truce with the furies
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Nov 27, 2022 18:49
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Nov 27, 2022 19:12
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Wafflecopper posted:That depends how broadly you define centrism though. I'd say there are enough centrists that they're big enough to be their own side and are already in charge of much of the world irl and in Elysium. And pretty much every state/kingdom/other polity has been backed by at least the threat of force since prehistory, the use of which is only a matter of degree. i don't see the moralism/fascism/communism/neoliberalism split as taking or not taking a side on the political spectrum, but taking a stance on whether society can and should quickly and radically change. communism and fascism are advocating for radical change, the former to an idealized future where society has solved its current problems, and the latter to an idealized past where those problems didn't exist. moralism and neoliberalism do not advocate for radical change, or advocate that radical change isn't possible, and split between whether society should be driven by an effort to (ostensibly) improve the well-being of all or individual effort to improve their own station. you can still characterize the moderate ideologies as taking a left or right side, they're just not taking a radical position
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Nov 27, 2022 20:29
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Shouldn’t this game have a different thread tag?
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Nov 27, 2022 20:47
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VSOKUL girl posted:i don't see the moralism/fascism/communism/neoliberalism split as taking or not taking a side on the political spectrum, but taking a stance on whether society can and should quickly and radically change. communism and fascism are advocating for radical change, the former to an idealized future where society has solved its current problems, and the latter to an idealized past where those problems didn't exist. moralism and neoliberalism do not advocate for radical change, or advocate that radical change isn't possible, and split between whether society should be driven by an effort to (ostensibly) improve the well-being of all or individual effort to improve their own station. you can still characterize the moderate ideologies as taking a left or right side, they're just not taking a radical position Moralism and Ultraliberalism are far from moderate. They are both quite radical, and your character if he embraces them does so to a radical degree. The ideology that invaded revachol, murdered a bunch of people, overthrew the government, and rebuilt nearly every power structure from the ground up being opposed to change is pretty funny, they aren't advocating that radical change isn't possible, they are actively threatening with violence anyone who attempts to change things and are currently on top, the winners, so they get to define what's "normal". The other beliefs they want you to adopt are pretty radical as well. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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Nov 27, 2022 22:40
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i mostly just picked the "say nothing" options because i like harry better as a listener than a talker
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Nov 27, 2022 22:49
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GlyphGryph posted:Moralism and Ultraliberalism are far from moderate. They are both quite radical, and your character if he embraces them does so to a radical degree. 
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Nov 27, 2022 23:13
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Incremental change sounds nice but learning about the Moralintern and the Coalition is pretty disheartening. It's kind of a smashed together critique of the worst parts of Western intergovernmental organizations like the IMF, EU and G7. The Sunday Friend and Trant make it clear that there's no way in hell that Revachol will be permitted nationhood, let alone a spot in the club so long as they can maintain military rule via the orbiting warships. And then along comes the moralist ending in which you discover that mutually assured destruction is a core tenet of the Moralintern and they conduct maass surveillance of all citizens/non-citizens I still don't know what the gently caress is the deal with their founder being Dolores Dei though. E: There's also a hilarious segue where Trant describes their process for creating managed democracies and it's literally a step-by-step account of all the things that didn't work in Afghanistan 
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Nov 27, 2022 23:50
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Fruits of the sea posted:I still don't know what the gently caress is the deal with their founder being Dolores Dei though. she's a war criminal op
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Nov 27, 2022 23:58
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Fruits of the sea posted:Incremental change sounds nice but learning about the Moralintern and the Coalition is pretty disheartening. It's kind of a smashed together critique of the worst parts of Western intergovernmental organizations like the IMF, EU and G7. The Sunday Friend and Trant make it clear that there's no way in hell that Revachol will be permitted nationhood, let alone a spot in the club so long as they can maintain military rule via the orbiting warships. dolores dei was the innocence of exploration, but in practice she was more like the innocence of imperialism, connecting much of the known world under a single culture and dealing ruthlessly with anyone who resisted integration. DE posits that centrism isn't about incremental change but the deliberate stifling of change, and the moralintern follows in that vein - it professes that the current state of things is the best and only way it can possibly be, while leaving it unspoken that it's also a world in which their supremacy is unquestioned
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Nov 27, 2022 23:58
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Oxxidation posted:dolores dei was the innocence of exploration, but in practice she was more like the innocence of imperialism, connecting much of the known world under a single culture and dealing ruthlessly with anyone who resisted integration. Huh, that does ring a bell. I don't think I absorbed a lot of the Dolores Dei info, mostly because Inland Empire was distracting the poo poo out of me whenever she came up. So something like the pope if he was also Cortez/Christopher Columbus. And a lady. And yeah, their waffle about gradual change was pretty transparently all about maintaining power in the current status quo. Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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Nov 28, 2022 00:04
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the best take i can recall on dolores is from a conversation with noid but i can't dig it back up again. iirc when you ask him whether or not he thinks she was human he ominously replies that she "liked to play games" to an extent and reach beyond the ken of people today
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Nov 28, 2022 00:09
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Oxxidation posted:the best take i can recall on dolores is from a conversation with noid but i can't dig it back up again. iirc when you ask him whether or not he thinks she was human he ominously replies that she "liked to play games" to an extent and reach beyond the ken of people today When you're a powerful enough person and everything is just a game to you with no real consequences.
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Nov 28, 2022 00:13
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GlyphGryph posted:Moralism and Ultraliberalism are far from moderate. They are both quite radical, and your character if he embraces them does so to a radical degree. right--they are the established order and seek to maintain the stability of it. using violence to attack threats to that order doesn't make them radical, it makes them not pacifists. their attack was a reaction to the communist revolution against that order, to restore it they aren't some mythical objective center--no such thing exists--they're the status quo, and see no issue with continuing that status quo
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Nov 28, 2022 02:09
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Noid has the right of it.
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Nov 28, 2022 02:41
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UP AND ADAM posted:Noid has the right of it. Pork and Wheat, man.
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Nov 28, 2022 03:01
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VSOKUL girl posted:right--they are the established order and seek to maintain the stability of it. using violence to attack threats to that order doesn't make them radical, it makes them not pacifists. their attack was a reaction to the communist revolution against that order, to restore it They were not, in fact, the status quo in Revachol. Revachol never had a moralist government prior to the moralist invasion. The moralists literally launched a military invasion and indefinite occupation against a foreign nation because that nation made a change to its own government that they didn't like - and they didn't even "restore" the prior-but-no-longer-status-quo, they completely rebuilt the country into something completely new of their own choosing. They implemented, in other words, radical change. If that's your definition of a "moderate" ideology, I honestly don't have any clue what you mean by the word "moderate" or "radical" except, maybe, "not moralist", which is an inane and meaningless definition considering how you're using the word. Unless maybe you mean "the ones currently in power", I suppose, in which case the commies were the "moderates" until the radicals of the moralintern overthrew them and established the new normal... Moralism has always advocated that "society can and should quickly and radically change" from its founding, which you denied they did, they just believe that it should quickly and radically change to the moralintern ideal and then stop changing at all (with almost all of their rhetoric specifically designed to make people as "alright" with that outcome as possible). All of this ignoring, of course, that Harry would probably pursue even a genuinely moderate ideology to a radical level if he could figure out a way to do so. GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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Nov 28, 2022 04:07
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Typical Moralintern meeting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcVxeXiL57I
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Nov 28, 2022 04:25
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A nice, moderate discussion about the future of humanity. Seems about right.
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Nov 28, 2022 04:30
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GlyphGryph posted:They were not, in fact, the status quo in Revachol. Revachol never had a moralist government prior to the moralist invasion. I see what you're getting at here, and I definitely agree it's important to highlight the inherent hypocrisy, - but it's worth pointing out the strongest perspective espoused by moralism is beyond slanted in terms of the conquering nation, caring little for that of the conquered. There is of course the soft moralism of Kim, but that is merely the desired beaten-down default ideology by those in power. A negative moralism rather than a positive one, I guess. In terms of radical change, radical change to the moralist status quo is inevitable, it's only radical change away from the status quo that is impossible. Once capital did the deed from their perspective the end of history had been achieved. Everything before reduced to nothing but charming curiosities to be debated at cocktail parties in the global north. Sardonik fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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Nov 28, 2022 05:22
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wiegieman posted:Typical Moralintern meeting: a wildly underappreciated game
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Nov 28, 2022 05:35
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GlyphGryph posted:They were not, in fact, the status quo in Revachol. Revachol never had a moralist government prior to the moralist invasion. im looking less at the specifics of DE's strangereal lore and history and more it as a distorted mirror of actual history. the game's ideologies have rather direct irl parallels for a reason, not because the authors got tired and didn't want to construct their own from scratch. they're making a statement about the real-world equivalents, not stuffing them in to flesh out the lore the moralintern represents the liberal democratic order that succeeded monarchies in much of the western world, with democracy and rule of law and whatnot, but without fundamental changes to class structures or radical restructuring of the economy. communism is, y'know, not that: it rejects the established social hierarchy and economic order as inherently flawed, and (unsuccessfully) seeks to wholly reshape both into entirely new, constructed paradigms that correct the failures of the society that evolved before i see the coalition invasion as, in part, a much abbreviated metaphor for the cold war: the end result is pretty similar--moralism won--but it's a lot simpler to explain as backstory. the status quo in the west prevailed, declared the communist project an abject and inevitable failure, and tasked itself with cleaning up the mess, to its own specifications and benefit, with concern for the average person's well-being a secondary concern at best
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Nov 28, 2022 06:19
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Note that, in the Moralist vision quest, your whole objective is to call for help from the enlightened sentinels of the current world order. Surely, the same hands that guide the airships in their stately patterns have the power to do something. But no, the one person you can get through to has the power to do nothing. They aren't even supposed to be talking to you. The Moralintern doesn't exist to help people like you. The airships are only there to remind you that the guns are loaded and they only point one direction: down. They're happy to detain you indefinitely if you tell them about the hole in the world, though.
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Nov 28, 2022 08:20
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Megazver posted:A great video where someone reverse-engineers how the graphics work in DE: Thank you for posting this! I love the way the game looks and have been trying to track down all of the development blog updates they posted before the game came out, and I’ve got like well over 200 images and a lot of the explanations they wrote out saved, but a lot of the pictures were lost when they switched to the current website. But I don’t know why I didn’t think of downloading the program he mentions, to extract the models from unity, but it’s quite easy and I’ve been looking at the models in blender and they’re all surprisingly simple. The textures also go a long way for how small they are. Pretty interesting stuff, if you want to do it yourself, this is what I used, you just need to own the game on pc and something like blender, then import the .fbx filed into blender. You can look at the models with windows’ model viewer I think. https://github.com/Perfare/AssetStudio/releases
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Nov 28, 2022 08:39
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My Harry always has an equal points of fascism/communism/ultraliberal/moralist points and has godly electrochemistry
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Nov 28, 2022 17:31
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EorayMel posted:My Harry always has an equal points of fascism/communism/ultraliberal/moralist points and has godly electrochemistry i wonder if kim comments on that at the end.
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Nov 28, 2022 17:38
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I got "communist but somehow also a hustler" - but I'm curious if it can go beyond two. (Besides mentioning a copotype)
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Nov 28, 2022 19:36
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Fruits of the sea posted:I still don't know what the gently caress is the deal with their founder being Dolores Dei though.
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Nov 28, 2022 19:47
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Oxyclean posted:I got "communist but somehow also a hustler" - but I'm curious if it can go beyond two. (Besides mentioning a copotype) I don't think it can, not from my last look through the Disco Reader. I also got commie hustler the first time. Gotta work hard for the working class!
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Nov 28, 2022 20:51
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imhotep posted:Thank you for posting this! I love the way the game looks and have been trying to track down all of the development blog updates they posted before the game came out, and I’ve got like well over 200 images and a lot of the explanations they wrote out saved, but a lot of the pictures were lost when they switched to the current website. But I don’t know why I didn’t think of downloading the program he mentions, to extract the models from unity, but it’s quite easy and I’ve been looking at the models in blender and they’re all surprisingly simple. The textures also go a long way for how small they are. Pretty interesting stuff, if you want to do it yourself, this is what I used, you just need to own the game on pc and something like blender, then import the .fbx filed into blender. You can look at the models with windows’ model viewer I think. I've really enjoyed finding the blog posts I can dig out so if you ever fancied being a wonderful person and sharing on megaupload / Google drive some time, I'd enjoy reading these.
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Nov 28, 2022 21:28
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Caufman posted:I don't think it can, not from my last look through the Disco Reader. does Disco Reader not work well on mobile? I’m trying to figure out how to find the exact quotes from Harry threatening to shoot himself while having a temper tantrum in front of Titus and demanding respect Or if there’s a place with looooads of screenshots?
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Nov 28, 2022 23:38
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I think I tried using Disco Reader once on my phone, and it wasn't great, unfortunately. I think there's another thing like Disco Reader that adds the voices from the Final Cut, but I don't imagine that's going to be any more mobile-friendly than Disco Reader. Maybe, though. For that particular conversation, it's Conversation ID 1219, starting at node 225 with "Kim, I need your gun."
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Nov 29, 2022 01:38
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I know "if I liked DE what games would I like" is a very ymmv question, but I'm about to get Pentiment (I swear to god they targeted the loving game towards me specifically), something relaxing to ease my nerves (Dorfromantik probably), and for the last slot I'm debating between Norco, Roadwarden and Citizen Sleeper, which I've seen brought up a few times. I liked the the demos for both Norco and Roadwarden, though Norco's art didn't completely grab me and while Roadwarden's writing was solid, it was still "just" a medieval fantasy setting, not sure how far they take it. Citizen Sleeper's premise seems interesting enough and the art looks nice. Opinions from anyone who's played any of them?
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Nov 29, 2022 02:39
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I thought Citizen Sleeper was pretty average. Writing was okay but several leagues below Disco. No memorable characters whatsoever. Which ending you get is determined by last-minute decision rather than your actions during the game so you can see them all by just reloading, no incentive for a replay. I'd give it a miss.
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Nov 29, 2022 02:48
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SexyBlindfold posted:I know "if I liked DE what games would I like" is a very ymmv question, but I'm about to get Pentiment (I swear to god they targeted the loving game towards me specifically), something relaxing to ease my nerves (Dorfromantik probably), and for the last slot I'm debating between Norco, Roadwarden and Citizen Sleeper, which I've seen brought up a few times. I liked the the demos for both Norco and Roadwarden, though Norco's art didn't completely grab me and while Roadwarden's writing was solid, it was still "just" a medieval fantasy setting, not sure how far they take it. Citizen Sleeper's premise seems interesting enough and the art looks nice. Norco is really good. The writing outweighs the pixel art
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Nov 29, 2022 02:55
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Wafflecopper posted:I thought Citizen Sleeper was pretty average. Writing was okay but several leagues below Disco. No memorable characters whatsoever. Which ending you get is determined by last-minute decision rather than your actions during the game so you can see them all by just reloading, no incentive for a replay. I'd give it a miss.
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i eventually just decided to interpret the "click on a thing, realize you don't have the right tool equipped, exit the dialogue, go to inventory, tab over, equip the prybar, no it moved the wrong thing, okay de-equip the chain-cutters and re-equip the tare bag, re-enter the dialogue" sequence that happened to me a few too many times as evocative of what it's like to be harry, forever fumbling through your pockets for the vaguely-relevant trash you picked up two hours ago while struggling to maintain uninterrupted attention. you need the tare bag equipped to pick up tare because otherwise you just forget to be looking for the bottles.
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