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Ardennes posted:I mean do they feel betrayed by market reforms that have been happening since the 1980s or just they are worried about the primacy of the West? Arguably, there is a certain brand of leftist that wanted the world the change in an economic sense but the cultural dominance of the West to remain. probably both tbh. theres been a lot of words written about left anti-communism in general but "dengism" really drove a lot of the remaining western communists to despair. even parenti thought it was a major blow iirc and to be fair im not sure i wouldn't have either.
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:probably both tbh. theres been a lot of words written about left anti-communism in general but "dengism" really drove a lot of the remaining western communists to despair. even parenti thought it was a major blow iirc and to be fair im not sure i wouldn't have either. That's because they're nerds and stuck in the previous century
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Nov 29, 2022 02:54
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Dengism was scientifically proven to be the correct choice for the communists in China; ultras can cry about it.
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Nov 29, 2022 02:54
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:lmao reading her posts somehow i doubt she supported maoist china either. these people think every country in the world should be like the idealized version of social democratic sweden in the 70s without stopping to think why that didn't or couldn't happen
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Nov 29, 2022 03:01
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the fact that the western left is still so ultrafixated on marx after 150 years and after so many of his predictions were proven completely naive and wrong by actual historical events is pretty sadunwantedplatypus posted:Dengism was scientifically proven to be the correct choice for the communists in China; ultras can cry about it.
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Nov 29, 2022 03:02
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:probably both tbh. theres been a lot of words written about left anti-communism in general but "dengism" really drove a lot of the remaining western communists to despair. even parenti thought it was a major blow iirc and to be fair im not sure i wouldn't have either. The west is just more ideological.
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Nov 29, 2022 03:10
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Dogmatism is one of the well recognized evils
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Nov 29, 2022 03:21
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https://www.politico.eu/article/chinas-rebellious-youth-has-forgotten-tiananmen/quote:The only times I witnessed anything like nationwide protests were when the CCP orchestrated them — against the United States after it bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in 1999 and periodically against Japan when the leadership wanted to whip up nationalist fervor. lmfao at this article. i clicked it wanting to read what they say about tianenmen. there's nothing, he doesn't even say what year it happened in. he also calls it the "Great Leap Famine"
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Nov 29, 2022 03:52
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i say swears online posted:https://www.politico.eu/article/chinas-rebellious-youth-has-forgotten-tiananmen/ The idealistic people who came out over the weekend do not realize what horrors await them. But at least the mask has slipped and the Chinese masses can see the true face of the regime that rules them.
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Nov 29, 2022 03:54
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the bitcoin of weed posted:the fact that the western left is still so ultrafixated on marx after 150 years and after so many of his predictions were proven completely naive and wrong by actual historical events is pretty sad afaik marx is still pretty legit. Like newton. Yah the field moved on but in general nothing is wrong with it either
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Nov 29, 2022 04:31
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Marx predicted that capitalism tended toward monopoly that there would be crises where markets didn't clear i.e. cannot sell everything that was made 'ideas' would become a new kind of private property The rate of profit would fall urbanization would be the norm and create an ecological crisis (didn't predict haber process i.e. use fossil fuels to stave off this specific crisis) there's like a dozen others that either he originated with or the 'common knowledge' was the opposite
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Nov 29, 2022 04:36
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What did marx not get right? that's a short list idk people say freud was wrong and I guess yah he was much more wrong but I'm like The guy who said we have a subconscious which can have impulses that are greatly impacted during child development and which can be helped just by talking to someone? they guy who originated those ideas was wrong? the guy who said dreams are not literal? that being gay is not a mental illness? anglo ideology really really wants them to be wrong, that's true Antonymous has issued a correction as of 04:43 on Nov 29, 2022 |
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Nov 29, 2022 04:41
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Antonymous posted:The guy who said we have a subconscious which can have impulses that are greatly impacted during child development and which can be helped just by talking to someone? they guy who originated those ideas was wrong? the guy who said dreams are not literal? yeah i'm reading the body keeps the score and it's pretty revelatory
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Nov 29, 2022 04:45
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new case numbers seem to have held steady for the past 3 days. I’m hoping it’s peaked
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Nov 29, 2022 04:46
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I don't think the Western left's problems stem from an ultrafixation on Marx
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Nov 29, 2022 04:47
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The western left's primary problem is idealism. Specifically an unwillingness to grapple with the material implications of their beliefs. This stems from the general learned helplessness of many western populations in general. They've existed under a lifetime of worsening conditions and austerity. If they're on the far left they probably have little faith in reform. They don't actually believe that the things they want to happen can happen, so there's no concern with ideological consistency or real-world power.
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Nov 29, 2022 04:59
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Marx was a giant in developing economic theories in history. But the development routes the communist countries took have been very different from what Marx had envisioned. BTW I believe North Korea doesn't talk about and study Marxism anymore, unlike China.
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Nov 29, 2022 05:00
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https://twitter.com/DanReznikWSWS/status/1597403641761402880?t=xr-24WOO05P3_8jlDgMH6Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/DanReznikWSWS/status/1597399256586780672?t=54hl62NEeCk3tfR8alXTzw&s=19 Even the Trots are drawing the correct line on this drat
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Nov 29, 2022 05:04
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Thank god the International Brotherhood of Newspaper Salesmen are weighing in.
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Nov 29, 2022 05:09
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how does anyone claim to speak for every trot lmao
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Nov 29, 2022 05:10
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unwantedplatypus posted:Thank god the International Brotherhood of Newspaper Salesmen are weighing in. lmao
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Nov 29, 2022 05:15
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Antonymous posted:What did marx not get right? that's a short list he was wrong about the Kraut
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Nov 29, 2022 05:15
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Southpaugh posted:how does anyone claim to speak for every trot lmao what are they going to do? form their own splinter group? unlikely
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Nov 29, 2022 05:19
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Edit wrong thread
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Nov 29, 2022 05:27
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unwantedplatypus posted:Thank god the International Brotherhood of Newspaper Salesmen are weighing in.
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Nov 29, 2022 05:28
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Antonymous posted:urbanization would be the norm and create an ecological crisis (didn't predict haber process i.e. use fossil fuels to stave off this specific crisis) big props to Marx and the metabolic rift tbh
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Nov 29, 2022 05:45
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unwantedplatypus posted:Thank god the International Brotherhood of Newspaper Salesmen are weighing in. lol
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Nov 29, 2022 06:02
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Palladium posted:Naomi: Critical support for international left, funded by well known communist org the ford foundation
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Nov 29, 2022 06:49
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Mantis42 posted:what are they going to do? form their own splinter group? unlikely
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Nov 29, 2022 06:53
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gradenko_2000 posted:
Literally the first thing to ever make me reconsider my position on COVID.
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Nov 29, 2022 06:55
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Tough news out of the Mid-Pacific, it seems US Army pyromancers have beaten off the Chinese magma incursion in Hawaii: https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/11/29/2018-kilauea-eruption-is-very-different-than-whats-happening-mauna-loa-heres-how/ “Hon says the flow’s current path will mostly impact an area known as “the Saddle,” where the Mauna Loa Weather Observatory is located. The Pohakuloa Training Area is out of the projected path of lava” Seems like America will retain dominance of the Pacific east of Midway Island for now…
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Nov 29, 2022 07:19
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strange feelings re Daisy posted:https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1597298066381733889?s=20&t= Plato o plomo
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Nov 29, 2022 07:33
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unwantedplatypus posted:Thank god the International Brotherhood of Newspaper Salesmen are weighing in. edit: oh wait nm drat even some "so-called" trotskyists fell for zero-COVID (!) edit 2: holy poo poo they used to support lockdowns in china but now they don't, so they have been forced to repudiate themselves (!!)  
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Nov 29, 2022 07:38
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unwantedplatypus posted:Dengism was scientifically proven to be the correct choice for the communists in China; ultras can cry about it. Till Xi came along it really did look like Socialism with Chinese characteristics looked an awful lot like the ultimate victory of capitalism. Klien is just another anticommunist anarchists, so useful for finding out what problems are there, useless for actual solutions
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Nov 29, 2022 07:45
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KomradeX posted:Till Xi came along it really did look like Socialism with Chinese characteristics looked an awful lot like the ultimate victory of capitalism.
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Mia Wasikowska posted:so if the success of Socialism with Chinese characteristics depends on having the correct paramount leader, what happens when they eventually have a lovely leader? how could china survive a gorbachev for example Replace them with a Great Man bing bong.
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Nov 29, 2022 07:51
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Mia Wasikowska posted:so if the success of Socialism with Chinese characteristics depends on having the correct paramount leader, what happens when they eventually have a lovely leader? how could china survive a gorbachev for example No country can survive a leadership that seeks to destroy it concious of that or not. The point was that up through the 90s and 2000s it looked like the billionaires and capitlaists would continue to gain ground in China. How do you prevent this, idk I'm just an under paid maintenance man with no hope for my future
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