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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1597670324900073472

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January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

The
Nelson Mandela
of clapping
dusty old cheeks


( o(
Ukraine flags on twitter : "lmao the russkies are issued AK74s made in the 80s without optics this is le epic cringe fail and not epic bacon keanu at all!"
the same people literally 5 minutes later "wow so cool the based Ukrainians are getting some sick FALs battle rifles! based and slava ukrainipilled!"

(if you are going to say that the FAL is somehow better than an actual small caliber high velocity rifle please save your typing fingers some efforts and just don't post something objectively wrong)

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



fn fail

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
Modern humans too weak for manly fnfal need revolution arms to lift revolutionary arms

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

January 6 Survivor posted:

"lmao the russkies are issued AK74s made in the 80s without optics this is le epic cringe fail and not epic bacon keanu at all!"

You follow a guy from reddit circa 2014?

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

January 6 Survivor posted:

Ukraine flags on twitter : "lmao the russkies are issued AK74s made in the 80s without optics this is le epic cringe fail and not epic bacon keanu at all!"
the same people literally 5 minutes later "wow so cool the based Ukrainians are getting some sick FALs battle rifles! based and slava ukrainipilled!"

(if you are going to say that the FAL is somehow better than an actual small caliber high velocity rifle please save your typing fingers some efforts and just don't post something objectively wrong)

rhodesia used fals. that's undeniable nazi cred right there

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

what is a Patriot Missile Defence System and if Ukraine was given them what would that mean?

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
Its the main anti missile anti Air system the us has and is mainly set up to defend direct us partners

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
Like Israel and Saudi have patriot batteries

Isizzlehorn
Feb 25, 2010

:lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick::lesnick:

CODChimera posted:

what is a Patriot Missile Defence System and if Ukraine was given them what would that mean?

*Poland profusely sweating intensifies*

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

https://twitter.com/kielar_robert/status/1597693308255363073

That's quite the reply. I've noticed the same people who support Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa have an affinity to Ukraine.

sum
Nov 15, 2010

I've been ignoring most news out of Bakhmut since it's been mired in a grinding positional battle for like literally half the war, but it seems like the latest round of combat has been more intense than usual. This pro-Ukraine account claims that the AFU suffered 500 dead (not casualties, dead) 500 wounded (I switched around cargo 200 and cargo 300 on accident) in Bakhmut Saturday and Sunday alone.
:nms:https://twitter.com/donetchanyn/status/1596982222980263936/photo/1:nms:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Somebody has issued a correction as of 09:26 on Nov 30, 2022

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

pls don’t post gore

sum
Nov 15, 2010

It's literally some bloody stretchers and vests, there's not even a human in any of the photos. You're in a thread about a war.

sum
Nov 15, 2010

e: whoops

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

sum posted:

It's literally some bloody stretchers and vests, there's not even a human in any of the photos. You're in a thread about a war.

i'm sure those stretchers and vests were someone's private property. isn't anything sacred anymore?

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

the pro-russian side keeps getting excited about bakhmut, and apparently the russians have been inching forward south of the town. the wagner guy claims that what they're trying to do is to maximise ukrainian casualties - since ukraine really wants to defend bakhmut, the russians can force them into unfavourable engagements. this does not seem to me like a good strategy and could be an excuse for slow progress, but it's a claim being made.

i think that bakhmut's going to have to be abandoned by the ukrainians early next year (before march, let's say). the russians have good supply lines and good positions, and it's a less critical position for the ukrainians than it used to be. i don't think it's going to lead to any kind of a general breakthrough.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

sum posted:

I've been ignoring most news out of Bakhmut since it's been mired in a grinding positional battle for like literally half the war, but it seems like the latest round of combat has been more intense than usual. This pro-Ukraine account claims that the AFU suffered 500 dead (not casualties, dead) 500 wounded (I switched around cargo 200 and cargo 300 on accident) in Bakhmut Saturday and Sunday alone.


aw cool I love war porn!!! more blood and gore please, this poo poo rules!! you're so loving based.!

speng31b
May 8, 2010

V. Illych L. posted:

the pro-russian side keeps getting excited about bakhmut, and apparently the russians have been inching forward south of the town. the wagner guy claims that what they're trying to do is to maximise ukrainian casualties - since ukraine really wants to defend bakhmut, the russians can force them into unfavourable engagements. this does not seem to me like a good strategy and could be an excuse for slow progress, but it's a claim being made.

i think that bakhmut's going to have to be abandoned by the ukrainians early next year (before march, let's say). the russians have good supply lines and good positions, and it's a less critical position for the ukrainians than it used to be. i don't think it's going to lead to any kind of a general breakthrough.

I don't understand why both sides are so dug in on bakhmut. by most accounts it's strategically unimportant to both sides but they're both committed to insanely high losses around it, with varying excuses for why

Morbus
May 18, 2004

Z the IVth posted:

Fancy way of saying 'missile'.

APFSRPUCAVBIED

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

V. Illych L. posted:

the pro-russian side keeps getting excited about bakhmut, and apparently the russians have been inching forward south of the town. the wagner guy claims that what they're trying to do is to maximise ukrainian casualties - since ukraine really wants to defend bakhmut, the russians can force them into unfavourable engagements. this does not seem to me like a good strategy and could be an excuse for slow progress, but it's a claim being made.

I mean the Ukrainian's whole M.O. this entire war has been throwing good lives after bad positions, they seem to be absolutely unwilling to give up any towns or positions no matter how strategically unimportant. Remember when they launched those counter attacks to re-take Severodonetsk that had virtually no chance of succeeding and all they managed to do in the week before the attacks were abandoned was get more of their troops stranded in the city?

The word we've been getting all along is that the reason for the slow Russian progress is because Ukraine is leveraging their huge manpower advantage to cycle in fresh troops after the previous ones holding the positions are used up by the Russian artillery and bombs, I guess the debate is whether Russia being able to inflict 3x or 4x the casualties on Ukraine as they suffer is likely to produce anything in the way of results in the next years.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

speng31b posted:

I don't understand why both sides are so dug in on bakhmut. by most accounts it's strategically unimportant to both sides but they're both committed to insanely high losses around it, with varying excuses for why

probably where the treasure is buried

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

speng31b posted:

I don't understand why both sides are so dug in on bakhmut. by most accounts it's strategically unimportant to both sides but they're both committed to insanely high losses around it, with varying excuses for why

it sounds like a final fantasy boss so it makes sense

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
president zelenskyy: the west must provide more phoenix downs in our fight against the russian occupier

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Homeless Friend posted:

president zelenskyy: the west must provide more phoenix downs in our fight against the russian occupier

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

bakhmut is a transportation hub in addition to being a fortress town in its own right and a major anchor of the present ukrainian defensive line in donetsk. if the russians can secure it, the ukrainian task of defense along that line becomes much more difficult. i don't think it becomes impossible - when russia held their positions in kharkiv they had something similar going on from the north - but ukrainian planners don't want to deal with it. conversely, if the ukrainians are hoping to go back on the offensive in this sector, then bakhmut is very valuable.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

The same deal as the M101 howitzers: I understand FALs were in storage, and they’re fine, but what happened to all the FNCs?

There are missing generations of stockpiled weapons.

e: Canada has a huge stockpile of Lee-Enfields the government is supposed to liquidate over the next two years, I look forward to the comments on twitter if they end up there.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 03:01 on Nov 30, 2022

Istvun
Apr 20, 2007


A better world is just $69.69 away.

Soiled Meat

OctaMurk posted:

I remember a while back, all the rage on popular mechanics was offshore nuclear powerplants for third world countries. Rosatom was I think the closest to making that 'a thing' along with some American company

the akademik lomonosov is real and strong and my friend

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
somebody needs to edit the scarane vs coons tag and have jess btfo and have jeff edit it

General Bullshit
Apr 20, 2020


CODChimera posted:

what is a Patriot Missile Defence System and if Ukraine was given them what would that mean?

They're terrific against tanks and airplanes but Ukraine will need Pathfinders or Rangers with flashbangs to defeat Russian infantry.

GlassElephant
Oct 25, 2009

Schwere Panzerabteilung 502
Discovered they were Glass Elephants, 27 APR 45

V. Illych L. posted:

the pro-russian side keeps getting excited about bakhmut, and apparently the russians have been inching forward south of the town. the wagner guy claims that what they're trying to do is to maximise ukrainian casualties - since ukraine really wants to defend bakhmut, the russians can force them into unfavourable engagements. this does not seem to me like a good strategy and could be an excuse for slow progress, but it's a claim being made.

i think that bakhmut's going to have to be abandoned by the ukrainians early next year (before march, let's say). the russians have good supply lines and good positions, and it's a less critical position for the ukrainians than it used to be. i don't think it's going to lead to any kind of a general breakthrough.

Launching continuous assaults on one of my enemies most heavily fortified positions does not seem like the most efficient way to bleed them. Especially since they don't have the overwhelming advantage in artillery any more. The NYTimes has a recent article about the battle: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/27/world/europe/ukraine-war-bakhmut.html

quote:

Russia’s strategy in Bakhmut is reminiscent of its seizure of the eastern cities of Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk in June. There, Russian troops relied on superior artillery fire to overpower Ukrainian forces and gain ground. But the Ukrainian forces they faced then were short of both shells and Western-supplied artillery — something that is no longer as pressing, especially in Bakhmut.

“In the six months that I’ve been in Bakhmut, I have never seen our artillery working like this,” said a Ukrainian soldier in the city, referring to the volume of Ukrainian shells fired. He spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

But at this point in the war both armies may find the pace of bombardment hard to sustain. The Russians are reportedly trying to buy munitions from North Korea and Iran. And Ukraine continues to ask for more artillery shells from NATO and other donor countries, even though those nations’ stockpiles are dwindling.

One of the Pentagon’s frequent concerns is that the Ukrainians are firing ammunition at an unsustainable rate — especially in places like Bakhmut — under the false assumption that the West’s supply of ordnance is unlimited, said the U.S. defense official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

As Bakhmut — shelled continually by the Russians since July — devolves into a battle of attrition, its strategic significance has changed, too. Even if Russia’s hopes of expanding its territory here have dwindled, it can still make the city a resource-intensive black hole for Kyiv, taking troops from other Ukrainian priorities, potentially including future offensives.

“Battles like Bakhmut consume forces that could be used elsewhere,” Mr. Kofman said, adding that Russian forces are using people they deem “expendable,” but even so, they cannot afford to waste that much artillery.

It's a good way to attract enemy artillery shells I suppose.

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:


e: Canada has a huge stockpile of Lee-Enfields the government is supposed to liquidate over the next two years, I look forward to the comments on twitter if they end up there.

My bet is it will be about the mad minute.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

GlassElephant posted:

Especially since they don't have the overwhelming advantage in artillery any more.

Citation needed

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Oh, nice to see the north korea bit being kept alive.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

My Childhood Friend Can't Be An Orc!

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

CODChimera posted:

what is a Patriot Missile Defence System and if Ukraine was given them what would that mean?

Very expensive, like a billion dollars a battery and 3 million a missile, and it would give the Russians the opportunity to show it's not as good as America would like people to think.

GlassElephant posted:

NYT
"But at this point in the war both armies may find the pace of bombardment hard to sustain. The Russians are reportedly trying to buy munitions from North Korea and Iran. And Ukraine continues to ask for more artillery shells from NATO and other donor countries, even though those nations’ stockpiles are dwindling."

Only one of these is true.

euphronius posted:

pls don’t post gore


Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Calibanibal posted:

My Childhood Friend Can't Be An Orc!

That's because Orcs are real.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


At the end of the day, he didn't think he should be president. And I guess I agree with that.

Why he ran for president if he didn't want to be president is beyond me though.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
I guess the big deal more than strategic differences is that the Russians are shifting the narratives a bit from what they were 2 weeks ago. Yet, narrative moment flip flops all the time.

That said, I actually very much doubt there is a parity in artillery considering the information that has come out. It is just the Russians are back to their grinding approach.

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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Marenghi posted:

https://twitter.com/kielar_robert/status/1597693308255363073

That's quite the reply. I've noticed the same people who support Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa have an affinity to Ukraine.

It's all people who are just super proud of their white heritage

Frosted Flake posted:

The same deal as the M101 howitzers: I understand FALs were in storage, and they’re fine, but what happened to all the FNCs?

There are missing generations of stockpiled weapons.

e: Canada has a huge stockpile of Lee-Enfields the government is supposed to liquidate over the next two years, I look forward to the comments on twitter if they end up there.

I was going to say, the fnc is not totally useless in a modern war and thus is worth holding on to

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