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I think just about everyone agrees that ritual harvest was probably the best harvest. Would be even better with itemized crafts... Harvest league was (probably, before I played) too powerful for sure. Good for a league but absolutely no way for core. Ritual harvest though, yeah, you could still get that kind of gear but it took work. That's good.
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Nov 30, 2022 05:05
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Aerox posted:I understand I'm probably an edge case here lol
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Nov 30, 2022 05:09
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Aerox posted:I understand I'm probably an edge case here but I spent less time in Harvest than any other League because I slammed together top tier gear in a week that carried me through everything, and hit 36/40 on challenges like two weeks into the league. I have faith that a middle ground exists. The most significant thing I'd like is if the most interesting and transformative parts of the crafting system aren't locked behind extreme rarity/rng.
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Nov 30, 2022 08:27
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Aerox posted:I understand I'm probably an edge case here but I spent less time in Harvest than any other League because I slammed together top tier gear in a week that carried me through everything, and hit 36/40 on challenges like two weeks into the league. you're in the like top 1% of players unironically in that case lol
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Nov 30, 2022 08:29
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36/40 in two weeks is probably like top 0.2% or something.
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Nov 30, 2022 08:31
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I skipped harvest because I didn't feel like setting up the reddit garden, though I came back and played for about the last month
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Nov 30, 2022 08:41
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I guess how far you get in a league before you get bored is partly a function of game system knowledge, but mostly a function of how much time you have to play. So there's a balance where at a certain point people at the top end will get bored quicker because there's nowhere left to go, but players with less time will play for longer because progression doesn't feel like a slog. There's no way to truly prove it, but I think GGG are erring in favour of the very top end. Judging by retention numbers from ritual league versus the more recent ones, I think they could substantially increase power creep and have more playtime per league overall, even if it meant no lifers playing for less (which is probably a good thing anyway). They seem pretty set on their path though, so we'll never find out.
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Nov 30, 2022 09:34
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No idea what I'm league starting this time, I don't want to do another Lightning Strike, though. Maybe something with the new Trickster, because I still haven't tried that. How's it do for Toxic Rain, does anyone know?
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Nov 30, 2022 09:54
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Your Brain on Hugs posted:There's no way to truly prove it, but I think GGG are erring in favour of the very top end. Judging by retention numbers from ritual league versus the more recent ones, I think they could substantially increase power creep and have more playtime per league overall, even if it meant no lifers playing for less (which is probably a good thing anyway). They seem pretty set on their path though, so we'll never find out. Harvest league still had one of the worst player retentions in living memory, right behind Kalandra (which is an unmitigated disaster) and Blight (lol wow classic). Ritual also had Harvest, but it was Ritual league not Harvest league. It had a new endgame, Atlas passives, an above average league mechanic and 3 reworked ascendancies that were big wins (well, 2 1/2, since Raider wasn't really a rework)
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Nov 30, 2022 10:07
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Also I'm eyeing up Seismic Sabo as my league starter for 3.20 and thats really really not a good sign for the state of the meta
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Nov 30, 2022 10:08
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did they do a video yet for a new league or whatever im not really keeping up with the game atm
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Nov 30, 2022 10:10
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Lpzie posted:did they do a video yet for a new league or whatever im not really keeping up with the game atm No, it's scheduled for like Dec 1st or 2nd I forget
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Nov 30, 2022 10:15
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The issue with retention in Harvest league was not the power or crafting there, but having to set up the whole farm first.
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Nov 30, 2022 10:24
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I try to always league start a skill I've never played before, and at this point I'm starting to run out of credible-feeling options. Lightning coil, Explosive arrow, Spark, and Absolution feel like the top end of what's still available to me.
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Nov 30, 2022 10:54
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Wuxi posted:Also I'm eyeing up Seismic Sabo as my league starter for 3.20 and thats really really not a good sign for the state of the meta why do you think that's the meta/going to be the meta
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Nov 30, 2022 10:55
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Herstory Begins Now posted:why do you think that's the meta/going to be the meta Its not going to be the meta, PoE players avoid any nerfed skill like the plague, no matter how viable. Its very good and I'm very comfortable with it, thats it
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Nov 30, 2022 11:46
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Reiterpallasch posted:I try to always league start a skill I've never played before, and at this point I'm starting to run out of credible-feeling options. Lightning coil, Explosive arrow, Spark, and Absolution feel like the top end of what's still available to me. i feel like explosive arrow's got to get a nerf simply because it's just too good to gear around and get going in every respect. if they don't change it it's still a no-brainer option beyond other league starters is my understanding
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Nov 30, 2022 11:56
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Wuxi posted:Its not going to be the meta, PoE players avoid any nerfed skill like the plague, no matter how viable. okay ventrua  for real though, yeah it should still be good. I'll be surprised if they actually give it that significant of a further nerf because it's good but it's definitely not insanely overtuned like it was, especially not for ssf or ssfhc. I do really hope we get a thorough shakeup of skill balance
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Nov 30, 2022 12:35
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I have my expectations for skill balance very low because there seems to be a lot of meat to the changes they have shown so far and this is not the patch in the cycle getting the heavy focus, that's next up. hopefully we at least get a couple new gems to play with, and then I figure next league will have big skill changes
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Nov 30, 2022 12:39
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I still feel like it's going to be nerfs to the popular things this league, negligible buffs to other skills and we end up playing the same builds again but worse like the last 3 leagues. I doubt we'll see anything radical like mana builds back in vogue, or slams or anything like that
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Nov 30, 2022 13:24
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On one hand they are clearly gearing up to push out PoE2 and any big reworks are taken from the PoE2 honeypot, so they might be reluctant to do big changes right now, but on the other hand every single player, from the auto battler enjoyer to the masochist, is clamoring for a big loving meta shakeup because oh boy is it boring to play my 10th seismic sabo in a year.
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Nov 30, 2022 14:15
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In the interim before a much needed shakeup, you can choose not to play with topmost tier skills. I have not played with Lightning Strike and it is still not in my plans.
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Nov 30, 2022 14:31
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I don't even care about a shakeup at this point I just want something to change for a reason other than the balance team deciding to murder something
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Nov 30, 2022 14:31
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If they do not buff selfcast Divine Ire to be a meta skill, I will be forced to take drastic measures, such as downvoting the patch notes on reddit.
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Nov 30, 2022 14:52
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Keru posted:You don't _have_ to use trade, you could just do what a lot of other goons do: play the game in trade, maybe dip into the guild stash or ask if anyone's got a thing you want/need for a build and only trade within that (or in #5555, the 'general goons' global channel ingame). SSF started that way, before it was an actual 'league' mode of its own, just as an unenforced thing people did for a challenge. This is a really good compromise I hadn't thought of! Filling out the atlas and plugging resistance holes were the main things I was dreading, and the guild stash/goon-only trades should be a huge help there.
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Nov 30, 2022 15:25
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Big Mad Drongo posted:This is a really good compromise I hadn't thought of! Filling out the atlas and plugging resistance holes were the main things I was dreading, and the guild stash/goon-only trades should be a huge help there. The biggest downside for me of SSF is trying to find build-enabling uniques where I know I can get the thing if I play enough, like a dead reckoning, but waiting for it to drop is just tedious and that's where trade steps in.
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Nov 30, 2022 15:49
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Herstory Begins Now posted:okay ventrua Depending on the curse changes, poison seismic potentially got a huge buff so they reeaaaallllyyyy need to properly nerf the skill. Agree that it'd be cool to see different stuff buffed, but after 3.19 I'm kind of worried that whoever is remaining on leagues and PoE1 is not really their A team.
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Nov 30, 2022 16:00
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yeah I guess that's the main demotivator, nothing is actually buffed to be good, its just whatever was nerfed the least? any new meta stuff will be because the current was nerfed, not because anything new was buffed. The search for a new build isnt because something new and exciting was buffed, its hey, what can I play that didnt get the nerf bat that hardest. obviously all the changes in the manifestos have been neat but im really talking about main skills. give me un nerfed archmage, agnostic, explode chest, mana builds, make arcane surge like it used to be, fuckin somethin big anyways.
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Nov 30, 2022 16:07
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Each league they should pick 3 skill gems to buff by a ridiculous amount, and then not say anything about it.
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Nov 30, 2022 16:32
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Aerox posted:I understand I'm probably an edge case here but I spent less time in Harvest than any other League because I slammed together top tier gear in a week that carried me through everything, and hit 36/40 on challenges like two weeks into the league. how many hours played did you have in those 2 weeks?
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Nov 30, 2022 16:40
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Aerox posted:I understand I'm probably an edge case here but I spent less time in Harvest than any other League because I slammed together top tier gear in a week that carried me through everything, and hit 36/40 on challenges like two weeks into the league. we can definitely ignore this behavior
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Nov 30, 2022 16:42
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hawowanlawow posted:we can definitely ignore this behavior Thats generally what is done with statistical outliers.
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Nov 30, 2022 16:46
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Fister Roboto posted:Each league they should pick 3 skill gems to buff by a ridiculous amount, and then not say anything about it. "molten strike gains 2 projectiles per level"
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Nov 30, 2022 16:48
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The fact that lightning strike was in the small teaser tells me something is going to happen to it, but who knows what. Although they also weirdly highlighted storm burst in a trailer a few leagues ago and didn't do anything there.
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Nov 30, 2022 16:48
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qnqnx posted:Thats generally what is done with statistical outliers. challenges georg has 31,026 exalts and can safely be ignored
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Nov 30, 2022 16:51
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yegods posted:I could probably get interested in a goon private ruthless league. Maybe that would get me back to playing again.  Let's see what happens. It would be cool to co-play just Ruthless with you.
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Nov 30, 2022 17:02
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why is Kalandra's touch 2 mirrors? so you can buy a 5-mirror ring and save the change??
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Nov 30, 2022 17:02
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Jinnigan posted:why is Kalandra's touch 2 mirrors? so you can buy a 5-mirror ring and save the change?? Some rings are nearly impossible to get 2x of, especially if they're corrupted.
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Nov 30, 2022 17:10
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interrodactyl posted:Depending on the curse changes, poison seismic potentially got a huge buff so they reeaaaallllyyyy need to properly nerf the skill. I thought Despair was being buffed for hit but losing it's dot component? qnqnx posted:In the interim before a much needed shakeup, you can choose not to play with topmost tier skills. I have not played with Lightning Strike and it is still not in my plans. I want a meta shakeup but I had more fun last league making my own dumb build than I've had in a long time, I'm gonna try to do it again if any new uniques/mechanics seem interesting.
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Nov 30, 2022 17:15
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Jinnigan posted:why is Kalandra's touch 2 mirrors? so you can buy a 5-mirror ring and save the change?? It also gives you flexibility.
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Nov 30, 2022 17:18
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