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Katana Gomai posted:They've tried to gauge interest in a printed cube product various times (via surveys, Maro's Tumblr, etc) and the feedback was always overwhelmingly positive. They KNOW players want it, regardless of card legality (I think Gavin specifically asked about a gold-bordered vintage cube at some point). They're just not acting on that information, at least not to our knowledge. If they're going to charge 1k for 3 random packs I can't even imagine what they'd charge for a whole cube
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:The backlash from anniversary edition is so refreshing. Day after the fact and their social media presence is just getting bodied lol.
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Twitter has exactly one purpose and that is to relentlessly poo poo on companies' social media communication. I hope it never ends.
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Rutibex posted:Some company needs to start printing old magic cards with new AI generated art. Call them Wizard Cards and just release all the sets wotc refuses to print. No gently caress you, AI art is theft and not from big corporations where it's the okay kind.
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Rutibex posted:Some company needs to start printing old magic cards with new AI generated art. Call them Wizard Cards and just release all the sets wotc refuses to print. no, part of what makes magic cards cool is good art on them and ai generated art is the opposite. There are a billion artists on the planet.
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apparently the 30th anniversary box went back on sale for a moment. people were able to get to checkout right before it actually purchases.
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Rutibex posted:Some company needs to start printing old magic cards with new AI generated art. Call them Wizard Cards and just release all the sets wotc refuses to print. Really they could pull the third party miniatures thing, where they make minis clearly for like Warhammer 40K but release their own set of rules no one cares about to justify them as their own game. Just do the same for MTG that just happens to have the same text and numbers as MTG cards
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Charity Porno posted:Really they could pull the third party miniatures thing, where they make minis clearly for like Warhammer 40K but release their own set of rules no one cares about to justify them as their own game.  They might have to change a few things, like the icons used for the mana symbols can't just be a tree and a skull and a water drop they have to be some other kind of symbol. I think they could get away with using the same key words, but they would have to omit the reminder text. Khanstant posted:no, part of what makes magic cards cool is good art on them and ai generated art is the opposite. There are a billion artists on the planet. Aphrodite posted:No gently caress you, AI art is theft and not from big corporations where it's the okay kind. Thats fair enough, but I doubt you will be able to avoid AI art even in real magic cards. The artists themselves are going to be using these tools, making the compositions 90% with AI and touching them up manually. They will not be able to compete otherwise.
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Rutibex posted:Thats fair enough, but I doubt you will be able to avoid AI art even in real magic cards. The artists themselves are going to be using these tools, making the compositions 90% with AI and touching them up manually. They will not be able to compete otherwise. oh rutibex
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out of all awful subjects this thread gets into do we really need to add an ai art evangelist to the mix? go away
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I think I kinda get what they were going for with the 30th anniversary thing, they wanted to dip their toe into eroding the Reserve List cards but also didn't want to flood the market and upset the secondary market vultures with even proxy versions of these cards. But they also got the big dollar sign eyes and thought "well, we may as well milk our whales while we're at it" and ended up making the most hateful product of all time. They really needed to just go all out and break the reserve list and print tournament playable cards, or, do the same thing but charge 10% of what they ended up charging. What they ended up doing pissed everyone off and produced an insane and useless product that has no purpose.
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Magnetic North posted:I love that one person bringing up Reparations rather than Greed. What a weird old card. Just a cute lil guy: https://twitter.com/Kyle18363581/status/1597761421785563136 
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Aphrodite posted:No gently caress you, AI art is theft and not from big corporations where it's the okay kind. Ok settle down grandpa
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Basically Wizards wanted to have their cake and eat it. They wanted to tap into the huge reprint equity built up in the reserve list whilst also not breaking what they perceive to be the spirit of the reserve list. Their view on what this is has obviously changed.
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I got the 30th Anniversary SL from Captain Invictus today. All the cards I wanted foils of except one were foil, so I guess that's about as happy as I can be with a "known" product. The edges of a lot of them were obviously not cut properly and have raised edges. And the Genesis was missing it's holofoil sticker. Gotta wonder how typical that is.
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https://twitter.com/karatedom10/status/1598025815425486849?s=46&t=pj3kjHKYjgHWAZRzGWv9LQ I think my understanding of how triggers work in Comp REL here might be wrong. Isn’t it both players responsibility to maintain board state/mandatory triggers? I might be misunderstanding tho. fadam fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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fadam posted:https://twitter.com/karatedom10/status/1598025815425486849?s=46&t=pj3kjHKYjgHWAZRzGWv9LQ The policy is "next time it would be notable". it gets complicated since a loss of life doesn't become notable until a player checks said life total.
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fadam posted:I think my understanding of how triggers work in Comp REL here might be wrong. Isn’t it both players responsibility to maintain board state/mandatory triggers? Used to be but they changed it so beneficial triggers are the responsibility of the person who's trigger it is
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I remember when my little brother lost the top8 of a PTQ playing Amulet Bloom because, after casting a negation pact with Hive Mind in play, and then passing his turn and announcing his victory, the opponent just kept playing because my brother didn't explicitly announced to the opponent that the spell-copying trigger was created by hive mind.
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If you try to gotcha people like that, you're an rear end in a top hat. It's very funny this guy came to Twitter crying about how unfair it was he didn't get away with some scummy, anti-fun behavior.
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HootTheOwl posted:At comp REL the missed trigger gambit is both legal in mentioned in the tournament rules. See: Chalice Checking. IMO if my op missed a trigger (and at that same NRG weekend, my op with an Eidolon did) It would be reasonable to jam as many spells into that missed trigger before op catches on. Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Used to be but they changed it so beneficial triggers are the responsibility of the person who's trigger it is Interesting, thanks! Like nine years ago me and my opponent got in trouble for missing my Soul Sister triggers in a game where I was up a ton anyway and the explanation given was that all triggers are everyone’s responsibility and I’ve let that inform how I play everywhere from FNMs to old GPs ever since lol. Wittgen posted:If you try to gotcha people like that, you're an rear end in a top hat. It's very funny this guy came to Twitter crying about how unfair it was he didn't get away with some scummy, anti-fun behavior. Eh, rules are rules and if the guy was in the right he was correct in ignoring the trigger. I edited my original post to make it sound less bitchy. fadam fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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Wittgen posted:If you try to gotcha people like that, you're an rear end in a top hat. It's very funny this guy came to Twitter crying about how unfair it was he didn't get away with some scummy, anti-fun behavior. The line gets real blurry I guess if you have to play your opponents cards for them though. Like if they let you do poo poo they shouldn't because they're playing poorly, I'm not sure that is a gotcha. Comp Rel is explicitly no takies backsies so you have to play your cards correctly 100% of the time or deal with the outcome. There are many ways to play Magic that aren't that strict, nobody put them in that event against their will.
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So he's mad because he KNEW there was a Sheoldred on table, KNEW he was supposed to lose life on every draw, and because his opponent didn't treat him like an invalid and say "GOTCHA" every time he drew a card, he thinks he doesn't have to lose the life?
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Rutibex posted:Thats fair enough, but I doubt you will be able to avoid AI art even in real magic cards. The artists themselves are going to be using these tools, making the compositions 90% with AI and touching them up manually. They will not be able to compete otherwise. That's fair enough, but I doubt you will be able to avoid: the printing press, lithography, photography, 3d printing, photoshop, CGI, synthetic pigments, etc. etc. etc. even in real artwork. The artists themselves are going to be using these tools, making the compositions 90% without hand-painting them with their fingers on rocks using ground up dirt and egg yolk, and touching them up manually. They will not be able to compete otherwise. flatluigi posted:out of all awful subjects this thread gets into do we really need to add an ai art evangelist to the mix? I agree let's not have a fight about AI art generation here please. The subject was "people could just play magic with proxies" + "it's possible to make and print legal proxies" both of which are true and also not news to anyone in the thread. That AI art could be used on proxies vs some different art not owned by Wizards is basically irrelevant to this point and can only serve to open the gates of yet another intractable offtopic fight.
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Charity Porno posted:So he's mad because he KNEW there was a Sheoldred on table, KNEW he was supposed to lose life on every draw, and because his opponent didn't treat him like an invalid and say "GOTCHA" every time he drew a card, he thinks he doesn't have to lose the life? Yup. Because that is what you sign up for when you enter a Comp REL event. Your opponent can take actions that you should respond to with spells and permanents. I can cast spells into Chalice of the Void, Eidolon of Rhetoric and whatever trying to see if my opponent will make a mistake, because the rules say they have to play that way. Nobody makes you play Comp REL events if you think that sounds unfun, don't do it! jassi007 fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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Charity Porno posted:So he's mad because he KNEW there was a Sheoldred on table, KNEW he was supposed to lose life on every draw, and because his opponent didn't treat him like an invalid and say "GOTCHA" every time he drew a card, he thinks he doesn't have to lose the life? It sounds like he’s right, and if more game actions were taken then the contingency of having the spell be in response to the trigger wouldn’t have happened and the life loss just would have disappeared.
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jassi007 posted:Yup. Because that is what you sign up for when you enter a Comp REL event. Your opponent can take actions that you should respond to with spells and permanents. I can cast spells into Chalice of the Void, Eidolon of Rhetoric and whatever trying to see if my opponent will make a mistake, because the rules say they have to play that way. Nobody makes you play Comp REL events if you think that sounds unfun, don't do it! It's incredibly dumb that the rules are written that way, but honestly it's sort of the only way they can be written and have the tournament take a reasonable amount of time. What's more dumb though is if the tournaments were played through a digital client of some form it'd be a non-issue. To be consistent you should have to click your chalice everytime you want to counter something on mtgo, and if you forget then tough 
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The ruling that "well, actually you were casting your second spell with an unannounced Sheoldred trigger on the stack the whole time" is loving bonkers.
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They were both angle shooting each other, so I have no real sympathy for both of the players. This kind of stuff is my most hated part of competitive playing.
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jassi007 posted:Yup. Because that is what you sign up for when you enter a Comp REL event. Your opponent can take actions that you should respond to with spells and permanents. I can cast spells into Chalice of the Void, Eidolon of Rhetoric and whatever trying to see if my opponent will make a mistake, because the rules say they have to play that way. Nobody makes you play Comp REL events if you think that sounds unfun, don't do it!  And yet people at competitive REL will shortcut turns and phases all the time under the assumption their opponent isn't a complete idiot. It sure seems satisfying to pretend to have lost 60 IQ points every time a clear trigger isn't verbally stated, the equivalent of acting like a mac trick hit you on the soccer pitch when an opposing player lightly brushes you
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There isn't an answer to this that everyone is going to like , I am just glad a judge decided. I at least have the peace of mind knowing that although bad judge calls can bother me (and stay in my memory), I wouldn't be such a loving baby about it that I would go to twitter longer crying about it.
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Sickening posted:There isn't an answer to this that everyone is going to like , I am just glad a judge decided. I at least have the peace of mind knowing that although bad judge calls can bother me (and stay in my memory), I wouldn't be such a loving baby about it that I would go to twitter longer crying about it. In the guy’s defense he doesn’t seem mad at the judges, just the policy that led to the call.
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In the replies he's a real douchebag so I'm glad he lost.
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Is the Sheoldred owner angle shooting? I know far less about how in-person tourneys work (haven't played one in 20 years), but it didn't even seem from the case the writer made that his opponent was purposefully neglecting to announce the trigger, just that they didn't. Whether or not they announced the triggers, they still occurred and the first player drew two cards and should have life deducted, right?
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The annotated ipg covers this case pretty well. I think the judges got it right: https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/ipg2-1/ Op demonstrated the trigger before anything that could only have happened after it had resolved had taken place. e: specifically: quote:A triggered ability that causes a change in the visible game state (including life totals) or requires a choice upon resolution: The controller must take the appropriate physical action or acknowledge the specific trigger before taking any game actions (such as casting a sorcery spell or explicitly taking an action in the next step or phase) that can be taken only after the triggered ability should have resolved. and especially quote:If an opponent requires information about the precise timing of a triggered ability or needs details about a game object that may be affected by a resolved triggered ability, that player may need to acknowledge that ability’s existence before its controller does. Fuzzy Mammal fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:The annotated ipg covers this case pretty well. I think the judges got it right: Yes ... but also I think it's pretty clear the Sheoldred player got bailed out here. If Opt was a sorcery the ruling goes the other way and I think it represents a problem with how missed actions are handled.
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The judges 100% got it right and the guy agrees, he thinks the rule is bad. I feel like if the rules are so strict that the guy has to announce every Sheoldred trigger, then determining the second cast is considered in response to Sheoldred because OP didn't ask if the stack is empty in between is reasonable. When it's dumb, it should be full dumb. You don't play Final Destination, Fox only without turning off items.
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Aphrodite posted:The judges 100% got it right and the guy agrees, he thinks the rule is bad. Full dumb would have been doing his proposed rewind to before he cast/resolved opt. Aka, to the point where both players agreed on the gamestate.
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I mean, the trigger rules have been amended a bunch of times but settled on this quite a while ago I want to say. How would you propose to change them? In fact after reading this guys complaint again I'm more convinced the rule is good than stupid.
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