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Neo Rasa posted:This is verified in Last Jedi when during the second siege of Hoth we see how there's actually reddened dirt under the surface. Ah, that is actually a different planet and that area of the planet is covered in salt. Hoth is not Crait, no matter how much goons will try to tell you.
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Hoth isn’t Crait, that’s just silly. Hoth is Starkiller Base.
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Nov 30, 2022 09:39
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404notfound posted:Maybe that's the secret to making good Star Wars—you have to be far enough removed from it that your mind isn't poisoned by all the established concepts and lore, and you can just focus on making some good-rear end television Gilroy actually said that in an earlier interview. Everyone who comes to work on Star Wars has the idea that they need to "make Star Wars" and follow Lucas's style. Gilroy told them to forget about their nostalgia and just focus on making a good show without any baggage.
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Nov 30, 2022 14:46
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There’s only 3 planets in the Star Wars galaxy, the desert one, the metal one, and the jungle one.
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Nov 30, 2022 14:47
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LividLiquid posted:The way I remembered it, it was an argument that began as "Jakku is just Tatooine on a thematic level" that spiraled out of control until people were arguing that Tatooine and Jakku were literally the same place, but nope. There it is, clear as day, starting with SMG saying just that. He’s right
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Glimpse posted:There’s only 3 planets in the Star Wars galaxy, the desert one, the metal one, and the jungle one. Also the snow/ice one, the cloud one, and the forest one.
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Nov 30, 2022 14:54
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*Licks planet* SALT
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Nov 30, 2022 14:55
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Cold desert, metal in the clouds, forest and jungle are the same thing.
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Nov 30, 2022 15:03
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Neo Rasa posted:Imagine if season 2 of Andor drops and it's loving incredible all around and then in the last scene right before Andor runs off to escape with/kill the informant at the start of Rogue One one of his buddies is like "we should quit while we're ahead and flee to Jakku no real imperial presence just moisture farmers and blue milk and the tuskens, we could probably pick up some work from Jabba the Hutt with our skills hanging around Mos Eisley." If any show could pull off a character doing a Star Wars rap / We Didn't Start the Fire musical number it would be this show. Neo Rasa posted:This is verified in Last Jedi when during the second siege of Hoth we see how there's actually reddened dirt under the surface. It's verified by learning in school that cold icy places can be deserts, too 
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Lobok posted:It's verified by learning in school that cold icy places can be deserts, too Accepting that means accepting that way more Star Wars media takes place on Tatooine than we thought lol
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Nov 30, 2022 15:51
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Unfortunately the only other planet is Dantooine and that's just gonna confuse people
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Nov 30, 2022 17:04
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I'm rusty on it since college, but I'm pretty sure Hoth has to be a desert. Once the global high temperature drops below freezing, there's no mechanism for water vapor to enter the atmosphere unless the planet is cold enough for ice to sublimate. Hoth doesn't seem to be cold enough for that. That cold is lethal in minutes and Han would have died getting the tent set up. The blizzard conditions do not require precipitation either. Effectively, it is a dust storm, where the dust is merely solid water.
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Nov 30, 2022 17:16
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Sash! posted:I'm rusty on it since college, but I'm pretty sure Hoth has to be a desert. Once the global high temperature drops below freezing, there's no mechanism for water vapor to enter the atmosphere unless the planet is cold enough for ice to sublimate. Hoth doesn't seem to be cold enough for that. That cold is lethal in minutes and Han would have died getting the tent set up. Okay yes but nobody's impressed when someone says "the biggest desert in the world.... is Antarctica "
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Nov 30, 2022 17:18
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This sounds much better than that nearly 50 year old cassette tape I've been listening to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As1Ec-72XOk
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https://open.spotify.com/episode/17Z22x5dHblBKkyvueAxqD?si=Tm997P7MQpGOwLW4qmp2xQ&t=2456&nd=1 LUNA: We were asked to and meant to be something different. You wouldn’t call Tony Gilroy if you didn’t want that, you know? Tony Gilroy is such, such a different writer. I can tell you that I have never felt that energy with anyone else. You sit down in front of him, there is no answer that he can't give you. He thought of everything before sharing with you. It's quite impressive to see how much in control he is of the story. There is a point of view that we all share because he is a great collaborator. I can't stop talking about Tony Gilroy. I like telling this story: He called me once like, 'This is what I have in my mind, but I'm not going to go write it until you tell me if you like it or not, and why.' And he - he told me the whole story of Season 1. And I was impressed by the amount of work he did, before he even put it on a piece of paper. And how open he was to the question, when he had something so great?! Then we have the production designer [Luke Hull], for example. He [Gilroy] wants to write a scene. He first sits down with the production designer, tells him what scene he wants to write. He [Luke Hull] designs a place in front of Tony; they go back and forth, they end up designing the location where the scene is happening - and then he writes for that location. Therefore, it's already a collaboration, you know, before it's even written. You see what I mean? (laughs) He's not going to write 'And then he wakes up and opens a window.' He knows where the window is, what you would be seeing through that window. So the work of the production designer is needed for him to get to write a page. And he's already working for someone else, therefore the production designer already owns the material, in a way. As an actor, I own it the moment he said to me, "Should I write this?" So from the moment we have the script, we are a team. And we are there to defend every idea he had, because we are a part of those ideas. It's a big thing you know, not many people work that way. Not many people are willing to collaborate with that generosity in this business. And you can tell, the way people talk about our show, it's a team. We talk as though we are talking about the most personal thing. (laughs) And we are doing Star Wars! It sounds like we are here promoting our little Sundance movie we've been doing by selling our car and renting our apartment.
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Nov 30, 2022 18:16
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It's clear from reading any interview with Diego Luna about Andor is that he deeply cares about the show and is really enjoying his time on it. I know every actor talks like that during promotions but he's constantly gushing about the production, you can tell he's enraptured by the process.
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zoux posted:It's clear from reading any interview with Diego Luna about Andor is that he deeply cares about the show and is really enjoying his time on it. I know every actor talks like that during promotions but he's constantly gushing about the production, you can tell he's enraptured by the process. For sure, it’s nice to have a show where when it comes to the casting decisions I have zero notes for how they could have been improved. Also very glad only a handful of characters have plot immunity, so when Luthen is stopped by the cruiser we have zero guarantees of his survival. I still think they should have killed off Obi-Wan in attack of the clones and replaced him with a clone, why not. What were your guesses about what they were building in the prison? At first I thought it was K2S0’s model and Cassian would reprogram one for an escape, then I thought they were probe droids, then during the reveal before the camera zoomed out thought they were TIE cockpits.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:For sure, it’s nice to have a show where when it comes to the casting decisions I have zero notes for how they could have been improved. Also very glad only a handful of characters have plot immunity, so when Luthen is stopped by the cruiser we have zero guarantees of his survival. I still think they should have killed off Obi-Wan in attack of the clones and replaced him with a clone, why not. TIE fighter wings was a pretty popular theory. They're too small, but maybe you could have stuck some rods in the ends of the spoke to complete them.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:What were your guesses about what they were building in the prison? At first I thought it was K2S0’s model and Cassian would reprogram one for an escape, then I thought they were probe droids, then during the reveal before the camera zoomed out thought they were TIE cockpits. I guessed they were structural components for the Death Star and I was dead on 
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This desert planets discussion makes me think it would be cool to see a single war being fought on the same planet at different times. There would be tactically-important times, times that have resources or abundance that armies would vie over. There would be rugged terrain that had to be held to encroach on other times, such as ice ages or the sun-baked ruins and wastes of the future. Lose control over a glaciated North America, before you know it the enemy has taken 31st-century Atlantic Megalopolis.
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Brawnfire posted:This desert planets discussion makes me think it would be cool to see a single war being fought on the same planet at different times. There would be tactically-important times, times that have resources or abundance that armies would vie over. There would be rugged terrain that had to be held to encroach on other times, such as ice ages or the sun-baked ruins and wastes of the future. Lose control over a glaciated North America, before you know it the enemy has taken 31st-century Atlantic Megalopolis. 
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Hyrax Attack! posted:For sure, it’s nice to have a show where when it comes to the casting decisions I have zero notes for how they could have been improved. Also very glad only a handful of characters have plot immunity, so when Luthen is stopped by the cruiser we have zero guarantees of his survival. I still think they should have killed off Obi-Wan in attack of the clones and replaced him with a clone, why not. Also, I don't know if it's a Hollywood scene vs. British acting scene kinda thing (my understanding is many of the actors are more local), but there wasn't a single hammy/phoned-in performance. Everybody, even the bit parts, brought the drama and the believability needed. The Third Sister/Reva from Obi-Wan is just cringe-inducing by comparison—although even there, I wonder if it might have more to do with the direction than the actress
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Going back to Rogue One and if that film had the same level of acting as this show it might have been able to carry the first two acts rather than them being 80 minutes of wasted time. Beyond the blatant lingering shots referencing other Star Wars things, the acting is too hammy and the dialogue too on the nose for the tone they aimed for. The Rebellions Are Built On Hope scene is really bad at this with everyone giving it their full bellowing performances and it all sounds silly (wot iz she propowsing!?) In general the film actors are too excited reminding you they're in a star wars to actually act all that well. On the plus side the show does make Luna's performance in the film more interesting. Rogue One we're seeing a hardened, burnt out Andor and here is where we see the inception point. He's got a hard journey ahead and a lot more to lose to get him to the dark place he's at in R1. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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Actually I think you'll find that Rogue One is the best Star Wars film in the last 40 years
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Solo is better than Rogue One, but Andor is leagues better than both. In retrospect, Rogue One seems sort of like a lungfish, a necessary but ungainly middle step on the way to a more coherent version of Star Wars.
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Arc Hammer posted:Going back to Rogue One and if that film had the same level of acting as this show it might have been able to carry the first two acts rather than them being 80 minutes of wasted time. Rogue One kinda goes for The Guns of Navarone as a feel but it would be like if Guns had an hour and a half of the crew deciding they really wanted to join the allies after all.
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I like Rogue One very much but I imagine that the fact that they had to basically rewrite the whole loving thing halfway through post probably caused some problems.
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zoux posted:I like Rogue One very much but I imagine that the fact that they had to basically rewrite the whole loving thing halfway through post probably caused some problems. This is by far the biggest problem with Rogue One. Once it finally settles down it's really quite good, but the first hour is an absolute loving mess. There is still some excellent writing in it: Krennic is maybe the best villain the series has ever produced and digital Tarkin's line, "We need a statement, not a manifesto" is Andor-tier dialogue, but before that we have to jump between like six different planets.
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One reference/comparison I haven't heard made about the funeral marching band yet is with colliery bands, which are British brass bands strongly associated with local communities, particularly industrial coal mining towns where they offered a rare escape from the deprivation after the closure of those mines. Given how Andor was filmed in the UK, incorporating the settings and traditions and history into aspects of the show, I think the parallels with Ferrix (it being a working class community based around a dirty and dangerous industry) are obvious. Brassed Off is a good 90s British film with a young Ewan McGregor following the true story of one of those colliery brass bands, if anyone is interested.
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Solo is better than Rogue One, but Andor is leagues better than both. Would be interested to hear your reasons for thinking Solo is superior. I thought Solo was a waste with a poorly cast lead, a plot checking boxes for how he acquired his name/allies/ship, and as others have observed the character is behaving wildly different than the immoral opportunist he was at the start of new hope. One of the most interesting parts of his background as an imperial is barely covered with deleted scenes and slapstick, and Donald Glover is good but can’t carry it alone. To be fair I liked the train scene.
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My issue with Solo is that you are trying to take the most charismatic, most iconic character (arguably) in all of Star Wars, and that's inseparable from Harrison Ford's performance. Alden Ehrenreich did his damndest but it's asking him to play Orson Welles in Kane: A Rosebud Story. Start with a lower degree of difficulty.
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Rogue One was rewritten a lot but i don't know if the first half, even the old first half was really worth saving- it just doesn't work so well, it would have served the film to just be an action-adventure piece with the characters in place rather than the weird checkboxes of making sure everyone had their arc.
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I thought Alden Ehrenreich was one of the best parts of Solo. He just feels like Harrison Ford. The checkbox plot was lame, Woody was good though and once they got rolling it was a fun flick.
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Anthony Ingruber would have been better.
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Solo is a very fun adventure film brought a bit lower by its insistence to answer questions about han solo no one asked. Still a good movie though the performances are great
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Panzeh posted:Rogue One was rewritten a lot but i don't know if the first half, even the old first half was really worth saving- it just doesn't work so well, it would have served the film to just be an action-adventure piece with the characters in place rather than the weird checkboxes of making sure everyone had their arc. It does get a little weaker each time I rewatch it. However I will continue to do so.
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Arc Hammer posted:Anthony Ingruber would have been better. Nah Danny DeVito
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I laughed far too hard at this, well done
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I don't know which is worse: Zombie Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One or the completely unnecessary Darth Maul cameo (and the unnecessary lightsaber pose) in Solo. Both movies are trash for different reasons.
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It was the the completely unnecessary Darth Maul cameo (and the unnecessary lightsaber pose) in X-men.
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