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Mirello posted:Also only letting yoshizawa join your party way later than it makes sense because they didn't want to have to redo scenes from the base game. It sucks because I think she's cool and suffers from haru syndrome (too little time in the base game) Playing through this run, and knowing where the plot goes and how long things go on, this has hit extra hard. Both the characters you get in Royal, and obviously Haru, are great but you don't get to spend nearly enough time with them. I'm maybe 3-4 hours from credits and just unlocked what I'm guessing is the final showtime. Cmon, Atlus, give me more time with everyone. Semi-related: I started out kind of ambivalent about social stats, but after seeing the cool poo poo from darts/pool/jazz I'm in the camp that they should be scrapped entirely and just have other rewards added in their place. No more blocks on s-links, no more useless late-game points ticking by, and you get to spend all your time picking what you want instead of reading your 20th book in a row trying to get Knowledge up enough to date the school council president.
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The stat stuff is sometimes weird too cause you get Kindness from doing Sojiro's links but one like 6 (or 7?) requires you to have maxed Kindness so any Kindness you get from the rest of his links are superfluous.
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Flair posted:Even the speedrunners say that Merciless is easier than Normal. Given Merciless's unique modifiers, its difficulty mainly stems from not knowing the battle mechanics or your enemies well. Merciless would obviously be faster for a speedrun. But if you don't already know the weaknesses of harder enemies, there's some trial and error in figuring out which ailments they're weak against (which speedrunners will obviously know ahead of time for every single enemy). And technicals don't always down enemies until you do enough pool games. It's still not exactly hard; I think I've only had a handful of deaths, and they were against enemies I didn't know the skills of yet who I had the back luck of Joker being weak against when they had their first turn. But everything easy about it was also very easy in Hard, only without the added risk of getting 1-shot by a crit or hit to a weaknesses (a weaknesses that mostly goes away in the late game, but is there for most of it).
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ImpAtom posted:It isn't even online. Back when magazines and letter writing was the primary method of communication for nerds 'nobody hates something more than its most ardent fans' waa already a well worn comment ya it’s weird with P5 vanilla being my first smt game and I wander in here and everyone that posts here doesn’t seem to really like the game very much at all lol
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hobbez posted:ya it’s weird with P5 vanilla being my first smt game and I wander in here and everyone that posts here doesn’t seem to really like the game very much at all lol goons really don't like to admit they enjoy the most popular things P5 owns
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hobbez posted:ya it’s weird with P5 vanilla being my first smt game and I wander in here and everyone that posts here doesn’t seem to really like the game very much at all lol Its an incredibly fun game and I enjoyed it a lot when it came out but it's got some pretty serious writing issues which aren't just "lol goons hate popular thing" one thing I will say is that part of it could just be it being slightly reactionary to how praised the game was among the mainstream press who usually wouldn't give JRPGs the kind of acclaim they did when like, cmon there's better games out there
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The big Morgana moment is totally fine IMO, the seeds are planted well and it makes sense that he would have this crisis. It just has the misstep of the final straw being a rude comment from Ryuji who he is constantly rude to. If Morgana just quietly disappeared while you were in Hawaii it would be a lot more effective I think. Also there's a part where you see on the news that a window got smashed at Okumura HQ and they think its vandals but cut content would have revealed that it was Morgana being ejected from the Palace at high speed, lmao.
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Pwnstar posted:The big Morgana moment is totally fine IMO, the seeds are planted well and it makes sense that he would have this crisis. It just has the misstep of the final straw being a rude comment from Ryuji who he is constantly rude to. If Morgana just quietly disappeared while you were in Hawaii it would be a lot more effective I think. Yeah this would have been a lot better. Like all the friction within the group was there but the big inciting incident was poorly executed.
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hobbez posted:ya it’s weird with P5 vanilla being my first smt game and I wander in here and everyone that posts here doesn’t seem to really like the game very much at all lol I'm enjoying my replay, just not much to say since I still haven't made it to the Hawaii part yet 
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hobbez posted:ya it’s weird with P5 vanilla being my first smt game and I wander in here and everyone that posts here doesn’t seem to really like the game very much at all lol I've been replaying (only played P5 when it released) and I'm enjoying P5R a lot! Though I do tend to just skip a ton of chats near the endgame cause of the whole same-y feel, I'm fine with it in the beginning but it really wears on you by the end. The December Palace was a lot shorter than I remember it being too. Though that may be because of me being overlevelled this time around. I'm finally on the Royal portion of the game and pretty excited to see what this new bit is about.
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Mailer posted:Playing through this run, and knowing where the plot goes and how long things go on, this has hit extra hard. Both the characters you get in Royal, and obviously Haru, are great but you don't get to spend nearly enough time with them. I'm maybe 3-4 hours from credits and just unlocked what I'm guessing is the final showtime. Cmon, Atlus, give me more time with everyone. In all my replays of persona games (on pc), I always max out social skills day one. They're pretty annoying. also, I'm going through haru's s link now, man she rules. has to be my favorite of the original phantom thieves. her s link is streets ahead of makotos, so much so that I feel guilty about not romancing her. but I've made my choice to go with yoshizawa this game. Futaba's is also really great, but it's insane that you can get with her considering you basically are her therapist. If I had to rank their s-links, I'd say: Haru>Ryuji>Futaba>>>>Ann>>>>>>>>>>>>> Makoto I never really do yusukes for some reason. his schtick wears really thin with me. I got up to level 8 of Akechis, it's cool but it basically assumes you've played before... otherwise it's pretty spoilerific imo. Also it's funny how he joins for like 10 minutes, and now he gets invited to every phantom thief gathering (like pool)
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You know I always thought the protagonist of 5 was supposed to be androgynous enough in the face to be either male or female but then they decided not to let you choose your gender
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I ... don't think that was ever the plan, no Early drafts has Joker looking more or less like a younger Maruki and generally everything was darker and edgier, but then they decided to make the game more stereotypically anime
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In the RPG thread we kinda got into a discussion on why people like Persona games, or at least that's how it started. But reading this announcement made me think back to how nobody could say Persona 4 was "right time, right place." It came out on the PS2 in 2008. I remember somebody said its popularity was mainly increased years later by...Giant Bomb or something? But my main point is, I think P5 was much more fortunate in this regard. The Persona reputation had been built up by 3 and 4 so P5's explosive sales are only natural. At the same time, it seems to be holding strong.
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hobbez posted:ya it’s weird with P5 vanilla being my first smt game and I wander in here and everyone that posts here doesn’t seem to really like the game very much at all lol Critical viewing is good and the Internet Dichotomy is always bad. There's cultural stuff that's pretty yikes, missteps in writing and pacing, and all sorts of other bad parts in an otherwise very enjoyable whole. Anyone who absolutely hated the game in its entirety wouldn't be here talking about minute details, so you often just get the very nitpicky specific highs/lows.
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NikkolasKing posted:I remember somebody said its popularity was mainly increased years later by...Giant Bomb or something? This is absolutely why I'm here. I have a severe allergic reaction to anime but I couldn't not like Persona after that playthrough.
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Nothing worse than anime, can't stand it. Persona though? Now that's different entirely
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Vargs posted:This is absolutely why I'm here. I have a severe allergic reaction to anime but I couldn't not like Persona after that playthrough.
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In both Strikers and P5R I got to the name entry point and thought "why would Joker give his real name right now" and then go through the rest of the game being called Fake-o Name-o or Ligma Balls or something stupid. I know it's going to happen, but I still can't help myself. I was kind of hoping that the catching up to the present moment would let me rename myself, to be honest, like the whole time it was just some sort of lame prank on Sae. Still not quite finished with either Strikers or P5R, but man, P5 does a really good job at making me worry that I hosed up somewhere and got a bad ending. Not even just once!
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Vargs posted:This is absolutely why I'm here. I have a severe allergic reaction to anime but I couldn't not like Persona after that playthrough. You did exposure therapy and now you can exist in a room with cat
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I shamelessly stole from a youtube video I saw and named Joker both in Royal and Strikers "Crimes McSteals" which lead to some incredibly funny sequences where the party is absolutely apoplectic that anybody could possibly suspect Crimes-kun of any wrongdoing.
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HootTheOwl posted:I feel like something bigger was supposed to be up with the phone but it got cut in a rewrite. Like it's not her phone, it's damaged because its original owner was carrying it when hit by a car, and she didn't want to give up this last bit of Kasumi I never put this together, holy poo poo that makes so much sense
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hobbez posted:ya it’s weird with P5 vanilla being my first smt game and I wander in here and everyone that posts here doesn’t seem to really like the game very much at all lol The thing about Persona 5 (especially Royal) is that it is IMO almost an all time great game which makes it both frustrating and interesting to delve into. It does so much so well, starting with the art style, the core gameplay structure that gives an entire array of interesting and well characterised NPCs, the break between multiple game modes, some exciting hooks, and (especially in Royal) good combat, exploration, and socialising gameplay. All while being very easy for beginners to pick up and still having things for veterans. The only other recent game I can think of to nail all those points like this is Hades, which is absolutely an all time great game and does many of the same things the same ways right up to the point of having explicit ranked S-links that play a short vignette when you spend a limited resource to trigger and most having an explicit lock resolved through tasks part way through and an explicit overworld (or underworld)/dungeon split. But Persona 5 doesn't fail to be a great game because every part of it falls slightly short, because they were trying to do something too hard, or because it lacked polish. It falls short in certain defined places (mostly to do with the writing with a little about the dungeon pacing) and this is frustrating and the parts that fall short stand out. In a game that were otherwise worse some of the confidants suffering from bad writing would be less annoying because it would stand out so much less. And it's these places where the game falls short of what it could and should be that are frustrating, like an itch you can't scratch properly.
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I named my Joker gently caress Dapolice and my crew Defunddacops. Which means people were either calling me gently caress-kun or Dapolice-kun, which sort of killed the point of my name.
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I named him Joseph Kerr and I ended up forgetting it was supposed to be a joke name because people only ever refer to him by first or last name.
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First time playing a game in this series. I’m totally hooked on 4 Golden on Steam. I have 5 Royal on deck on the same platform. Are they all this good? Should I pick up 3 as well when that gets ported?
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"you like anime" in the cadence and tone of that "you have uno" Xbox live clip
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man nurse posted:First time playing a game in this series. I’m totally hooked on 4 Golden on Steam. I have 5 Royal on deck on the same platform. Are they all this good? Should I pick up 3 as well when that gets ported? 3 is actually pretty different than P4G and P5R, but I think it's still pretty great! 3 involves a LOT more planning on the social side, it's much much much harder to 100% every slink at the same time (for a bunch of mechanical reasons in addition to less time slots). Also, it's the PSP version so there's likely to be no running around in most environments, it's a bit more of a VN experience. The combat is kind of weird but in the PSP one you can control all the characters so that does a lot to mitigate it. That being said, while I haven't finished my playthrough of Royal yet I've played P4G, base P5 and P3FES and I still think that 3 executes on its overall themes the strongest out of the 3 games. If you like 4 and 5 I'd definitely say 3 is worth a play, just don't expect it to be exactly the same I guess Edit: You should DEFINITELY play 5 though, if you love 4 you'll love 5R imo Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Dec 1, 2022 |
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man nurse posted:First time playing a game in this series. I’m totally hooked on 4 Golden on Steam. I have 5 Royal on deck on the same platform. Are they all this good? Should I pick up 3 as well when that gets ported? If you are hooked on 4 then you should love 5 and with 3 you can definitely feel the age on it.
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Sydin posted:I shamelessly stole from a youtube video I saw and named Joker both in Royal and Strikers "Crimes McSteals" which lead to some incredibly funny sequences where the party is absolutely apoplectic that anybody could possibly suspect Crimes-kun of any wrongdoing. I named my Joker "Robin Banks" because it seemed like something he'd try signing on the confession. It's also a perfectly fine English name.
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Booky posted:persona, is anime
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man nurse posted:First time playing a game in this series. I’m totally hooked on 4 Golden on Steam. I have 5 Royal on deck on the same platform. Are they all this good? Should I pick up 3 as well when that gets ported? -The basic structure is very similar across the games. -Story, characters and ambiance are difficult to rank - each game has its defenders and detractors. -As far as quality of life adjustments and amount of content (in day-to-day activities, events and especially dungeons), each game improves on its predecessor quite a bit. P3 can seem pretty barebones in comparison to what P4 and P5 introduced . It's still worth playing if you really like the series' concept though.
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tom bob-ombadil posted:I named my Joker "Robin Banks" because it seemed like something he'd try signing on the confession. It's also a perfectly fine English name.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:iirc the main thing that makes P3 seem barebones is that the story is weirdly paced and extremely backloaded. like P5 starts off with the extremely involved Kaneshiro chapter, P3 you just kind of do your thing for a bit this is true, also in P3 you're still getting new party members quite late in the game whereas in 4 and 5 you have most of them from very early on
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precision posted:this is true, also in P3 you're still getting new party members quite late in the game whereas in 4 and 5 you have most of them from very early on I thought it was the opposite. Naoto and Haru join around mid October while P3's main cast is done by August. Not counting temporary party members of course.
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neonchameleon posted:The thing about Persona 5 (especially Royal) is that it is IMO almost an all time great game which makes it both frustrating and interesting to delve into. It does so much so well, starting with the art style, the core gameplay structure that gives an entire array of interesting and well characterised NPCs, the break between multiple game modes, some exciting hooks, and (especially in Royal) good combat, exploration, and socialising gameplay. All while being very easy for beginners to pick up and still having things for veterans. The only other recent game I can think of to nail all those points like this is Hades, which is absolutely an all time great game and does many of the same things the same ways right up to the point of having explicit ranked S-links that play a short vignette when you spend a limited resource to trigger and most having an explicit lock resolved through tasks part way through and an explicit overworld (or underworld)/dungeon split. I am understanding this as I play more and more. Like the scene where the boys meet up with the "maid service" essentially with the subtex they're attempting to solicit a prostitute? Like what the gently caress, why? And it's still unclear if Kawakami is just a maid or if she actually performs sex acts for money with other clients. There is some heavy innuendo it's the latter. I don't mind the "kawasaki is a maid" subplot, or even the skimpy maid outfit, but the need to have this sexual subtext in almost every female interaction is getting pretty old.
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