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The Kawakami thing is something where I think I get what they were going for but it just doesn't work Like I actually kind of like the idea of "it's a stereotypically pervy rear end setup but played completely straight" but it doesn't have the writing chops to pull it off so it's just a tonal mess
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Feels Villeneuve posted:The Kawakami thing is something where I think I get what they were going for but it just doesn't work I think it could work without the romance being an option but P5 needed its creepy options
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tom bob-ombadil posted:I named my Joker "Robin Banks" because it seemed like something he'd try signing on the confession. It's also a perfectly fine English name. Amanda Hugginkiss-san.
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Dec 1, 2022 17:09
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Sai Nijima Goro Akechi. Yuuki Mishima
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I know that basically all of the P5 cast is named after prominent Japanese literary/political figures but naming the wimpy sysadmin with a growing god complex after Yukio Mishima is a top-tier joke.
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Dec 1, 2022 17:26
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hobbez posted:Like the scene where the boys meet up with the "maid service" essentially with the subtex they're attempting to solicit a prostitute? Like what the gently caress, why? And it's still unclear if Kawakami is just a maid or if she actually performs sex acts for money with other clients. There is some heavy innuendo it's the latter. Her storyline will eventually make this clear. If you'd prefer to just be spoiled on it rather than roll the dice, she's not a prostitute or escort, just a maid
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tom bob-ombadil posted:I named my Joker "Robin Banks" because it seemed like something he'd try signing on the confession. It's also a perfectly fine English name. I usually pick other video game protagonists for my base playthrough we went Larry Laffer, and beelined to get the maximum romance social links for the valentine's day event. Alas, there was no way to complete the roleplay by leaving his charisma at 1 Solid Snake is also p good, and it's extremely dumb but I still think Duke Nukem is a funny name for the protagonist just because Nukem-kun is extremely funny to my dumbass brain
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I'll echo the sentiment, at least from Vanilla, that P5 is very very close to an all-time great game but is badly let down by lackluster writing in areas that really stick out. Imo Makoto's S-link is especially bad because the game tries really hard to push her as either a secondary protagonist or the canon love interest for the MC like with Rise in P4, so the link being a total dud is a huge miss on the game's part. Everything else about the game is so good that P5 kind of succeeds in spite of itself. That said, I can't speak to the writing in Royal's extra content because I just haven't had the gumption to go for a second playthrough, in part because I think it'll make all the rough edges in the game stand out worse.
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Dec 1, 2022 18:23
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ImpAtom posted:I thought it was the opposite. Naoto and Haru join around mid October while P3's main cast is done by August. Not counting temporary party members of course. i guess it just feels like you get Doggo and Little Dude really late in 3
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Manoueverable posted:I'll echo the sentiment, at least from Vanilla, that P5 is very very close to an all-time great game but is badly let down by lackluster writing in areas that really stick out. Imo Makoto's S-link is especially bad because the game tries really hard to push her as either a secondary protagonist or the canon love interest for the MC like with Rise in P4, so the link being a total dud is a huge miss on the game's part. Everything else about the game is so good that P5 kind of succeeds in spite of itself. Royal I'd say emphasised the good points and smoothed off about half the rough edges. But only about half of the rough edges (I don't think Makoto's S-link was changed at all). The combat's better, the dungeons are no longer the shape of a garden hose dropped in a heap and there are genuinely meaningful things to explore for, Mementos has its own shop, has hidden walls with collectables, and isn't a general snoozefest, and some of the rough edges were knocked off the writing (Morgana no longer feels like your jailer) and of the translation.
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I think the worst part of writing to me so far was (December-ish spoilers) Akechi and Shido explaining their whole history/relation/plot to each other for like 5 minutes straight, most of which was already revealed or could be inferred.
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neonchameleon posted:Royal I'd say emphasised the good points and smoothed off about half the rough edges. But only about half of the rough edges (I don't think Makoto's S-link was changed at all). The combat's better, the dungeons are no longer the shape of a garden hose dropped in a heap and there are genuinely meaningful things to explore for, Mementos has its own shop, has hidden walls with collectables, and isn't a general snoozefest, and some of the rough edges were knocked off the writing (Morgana no longer feels like your jailer) and of the translation. I still haven't been able to find any of these hidden walls, come to think of it I feel like I accidentally skipped a tutorial and now I just have no idea what I'm looking for
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Drive around in thief sight mode and you'll notice them.
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Weird Pumpkin posted:I still haven't been able to find any of these hidden walls, come to think of it its just walls with cracks in them. If you drive up to them, it gives you a prompt to break them. Sometimes on the map you can see enemies hidden that you can't reach. They are behind the walls
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They're supposed to have tiny cracks that only show up in thief-vision, but they're real easy to spot in the first several layers because they're the only thing that looks like a normal wall. Actual dead ends are either open rooms or have the rails going up the wall to block you or something weird; if the rail just ends in a plain, non-descript wall, that's a breakable one.
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mmkay posted:Drive around in thief sight mode and you'll notice them. Oh my god I'm an idiot, I haven't even bothered using thief sight in mementos since I'm just instant killing pretty much everything everytime I go in lol
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hobbez posted:I am understanding this as I play more and more. I actually kind of like the scene in a vacuum, "hey let's hire a sexy maid who will do ~anything~ for us" is exactly the kind of harebrained scheme horny dipshit teen boys would come up with, but when they end up going through with the plan and the moment of truth comes they freak out over the actual implications and bail in a panic. It's honestly some spot on teenage boy writing. Where it falls apart is that the maid who shows up is your teacher and you can go on to romance a woman (presumably?) in her mid 30's. And yeah, basically every female confidant in the game besides Futaba having an immediate sexual dynamic to their introduction sucks. And hell even in Futaba's S.Link there's a subplot about her old friend who's being forced into camgirl work by her parents because apparently it always has to loop back to sex with Hashino. mmkay posted:I think the worst part of writing to me so far was (December-ish spoilers) Akechi and Shido explaining their whole history/relation/plot to each other for like 5 minutes straight, most of which was already revealed or could be inferred. I mean I think that might genuinely be the worst scene in the entire game.
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mmkay posted:I think the worst part of writing to me so far was (December-ish spoilers) Akechi and Shido explaining their whole history/relation/plot to each other for like 5 minutes straight, most of which was already revealed or could be inferred. It's incredibly funny but also a big reason vanilla akechi was a pretty whatever character to me. Yeah it's really obvious he has something going on from the start, but he only reveals himself really late and after Palace 6 most of his screentime is that scene and then his boss fight.
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Idk if I’m walled off by an invisible story progress barrier or something but I’m pretty sure I’ve worked for Sojiro like three times in a row without advancing his confidant despite having a hiero persona in my party. Feels like I’m just wasting my time. There aren’t even dialog options, it just says something like “he is very detailed in his instructions” and I get two blue notes and the scene ends
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hobbez posted:Idk if I’m walled off by an invisible story progress barrier or something but I’m pretty sure I’ve worked for Sojiro like three times in a row without advancing his confidant despite having a hiero persona in my party. Feels like I’m just wasting my time. What rank is it? Sojiro Rank 3 to 4, I believe, takes a lot of points to be ready. You're honestly better off just making a lot of coffee or cleaning the floor until you get the points you need.
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mmkay posted:I think the worst part of writing to me so far was (December-ish spoilers) Akechi and Shido explaining their whole history/relation/plot to each other for like 5 minutes straight, most of which was already revealed or could be inferred. Imo the multiple scenes of the SIU Director mumbling the plot evilly to himself while staring out the window was more grating. He never even gets a name! It's disappointing how underutilized the Palaces and PT's skills were. The use of hacking and bugs were way too late in the game. Mona could have spied on people too. EDIT: This is a flaw with all 3 main Persona games. The plot doesn't get going until October. tom bob-ombadil fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Dec 1, 2022 |
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He did! Once.
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hobbez posted:Idk if I’m walled off by an invisible story progress barrier or something but I’m pretty sure I’ve worked for Sojiro like three times in a row without advancing his confidant despite having a hiero persona in my party. Feels like I’m just wasting my time. Sojiro is capped at Rank 4 until after the fourth palace.
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Sydin posted:Sojiro is capped at Rank 4 until after the fourth palace. Yes, but the game will tell you if you have enough points to get him to Rank 5 but the plot gate is active, so it's not just that.
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i tend to just skip Sojiro until after summer break, i know there's a case of both plot-gating and also one of the steps taking a weird amount of points to level up
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mmkay posted:I think the worst part of writing to me so far was (December-ish spoilers) Akechi and Shido explaining their whole history/relation/plot to each other for like 5 minutes straight, most of which was already revealed or could be inferred. this has to be the worst part of the entire game rofl. this and siu director. just everything about the "conspiracy" is such nonsense, and not even in a fun way. imo, the main story peaks with futaba's palace, and then is all downhill from there. I'm really looking forward to the third semester, I've heard great things (and been mostly spoiled) I did learn from some guide that I hosed up akechis social link by making one small bad choice when I was talking to him (didn't select "I'm your rival") can anyone tell me what I missed or send me a link or something?
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yeah that bit with the villains is probably where its most clear that the game was rewritten to the extent that even the writers lost track of the fact that they didnt include a spot to actually characterize the villains so they just had to shove that in there as gracelessly as possible
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Mirello posted:I did learn from some guide that I hosed up akechis social link by making one small bad choice when I was talking to him (didn't select "I'm your rival") can anyone tell me what I missed or send me a link or something? you missed out on the romance gently caress scene i think there's just some unique lines later and i think the third tier persona for Akechi? which only gets used in one battle ever?
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Feels Villeneuve posted:yeah that bit with the villains is probably where its most clear that the game was rewritten to the extent that even the writers lost track of the fact that they didnt include a spot to actually characterize the villains so they just had to shove that in there as gracelessly as possible Yeah the writers kinda shot themselves in the foot by trying to play this coy game of hiding Shido from the player to hold back the "reveal" of him being the one who falsely accused Joker, even though anybody with two brain cells to rub together will realize this the as soon as you bump into him at the buffet in the early game. Presumably this is the only reason the SIU Director even exists: they needed a villain to cut to now and then to twirl their mustache but because we're pretending this Shido thing is fooling somebody it can't be him. Even dumber is that after presenting him as a primary antagonist to the group the whole game, they never confront or even really learn about the existence of the SIU Director, and he just gets unceremoniously killed in a throwaway scene.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Her storyline will eventually make this clear. If you'd prefer to just be spoiled on it rather than roll the dice, she's not a prostitute or escort, just a maid When does it make this clear? The parents of the student later in her S-link specifically mention she's in the sex trade, and Kawakami doesn't deny it. lunar detritus posted:Unless you like retro games, P3 is a slog to play. I don't find it that much different from P4 in this regard. They both have extremely bare-bones dungeons. I was replaying P3 on emulator a while back and was surprised at how relatively well it held up. edit: P3 is mostly worth playing just because it has a very different tone from the later games (and can kind of be seen as a transition from the style of the original Persona games and what the series would later become with 4/5). One specific thing better about P3 is that party members develop more outside of their S-links (because many don't even have S-links).
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Ytlaya posted:When does it make this clear? The parents of the student later in her S-link specifically mention she's in the sex trade, and Kawakami doesn't deny it. Like all the adult romance confidants, it is never explicitly confirmed or not if they have past sexual experience because weird nerds need to be able to believe their mid-30's teacher waifu is a pure virgin. Kawakami maybe or maybe didn't do sex work as part of her side gig, Chihaya maybe or maybe didn't work in an adult-oriented club prior to joining the ADP, Ohya maybe or maybe wasn't romantically involved with her old partner. With Takemi I don't think anything on the topic ever even comes up.
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Kawakami's branch of the maid company specifically does not serve as sex workers. We know this because after the people squeezing her for money start asking for more, she starts questioning whether she should switch to their sister branch, where they offer more. I don't think it's outright stated what 'more' is but it is heavily implied.
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Mirello posted:this has to be the worst part of the entire game rofl. this and siu director. just everything about the "conspiracy" is such nonsense, and not even in a fun way. imo, the main story peaks with futaba's palace, and then is all downhill from there. I'm really looking forward to the third semester, I've heard great things (and been mostly spoiled) I think they felt they had to because P4 just did the whole mystery thing so they needed to be different. otherwise it was probably the SIU director's palace Instead of Nijima's, and he's the one killed instead of Okamura.
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I also think I'm driving myself insane trying to uncover the True Original Plot of this game.
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Ytlaya posted:I don't find it that much different from P4 in this regard. They both have extremely bare-bones dungeons. I was replaying P3 on emulator a while back and was surprised at how relatively well it held up. I vastly prefer P3's Tartarus over the P4's dungeons. At least each floor is super small so you never go wandering off in the wrong direction for several miles only to be forced to go back and deal with respawned enemies, which in P4 (dunno about Golden) are an enormous time-wasting pain in the rear end to ambush.
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You can also send out the SEES crew in P3 which makes it take even less time.
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Hopefully Atlus has learned by now that long crawls of randomly-generated dungeon levels are poo poo. Even Mementos needed a shitton of game-breaking changes in Royal to keep it from being the painful slog it was in vanilla.
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Hellioning posted:Kawakami's branch of the maid company specifically does not serve as sex workers. We know this because after the people squeezing her for money start asking for more, she starts questioning whether she should switch to their sister branch, where they offer more. I don't think it's outright stated what 'more' is but it is heavily implied. Yeah but she also offers "additional services" to Joker when she first meets him as a maid, before realizing he's underage and saying it'll have to wait until he's an adult. Obviously this could imply a lot of things that aren't up to full blown prostitution, but it's still there.
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HootTheOwl posted:I also think I'm driving myself insane trying to uncover the True Original Plot of this game.
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