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Judgy Fucker posted:England had subjugated Wales (not to mention itself) for the most part by the time our conception of masonry castles had come into vogue. You can see the concentration of castles in southern Scotland. But a lot of that subjugation involved whacking castles down all over Wales and especially in the Marches on the English borderlands. Also, this is the 12th/13th century so well into the era of stone-built castles - Wales has some of the UK's most impressive castles and allegedly has one of the highest concentrations of castles in Europe. Admittedly, a lot of those are ruined now so I wonder if they're only counting extant buildings? I also think they might be counting any fortified structure as a castle regardless of age, wonder to what extent the German Atlantic Wall defences account for the clustering in northwestern France near the coast.
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Is there a version of that map that actually lists what all of its points are? This one: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh_eawYWYAAAw-n?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Like for instance, in southern Luxembourg there is only a single castle or fort, but it's showing a bunch of points all along the border, the Château Fort Le Mont-Saint-Jean de Dudelange. But it's showing points like at the French-Belgian-Luxembourg tripoint, of which the only potential thing there is a pre-Roman Celtic oppidum at Titelberg, of which there is basically nothing remaining. There is no castle or fort nor anything besides huge old steel factories at Esch-sur-Alzette, so no idea what the point that looks like it's there is supposed to be. Switzerland also looks like it has way more castles than it does in reality, but since they all blob together it's hard to tell specifically. Also RIP the Ijsselmeer, I see the Dutch finally dyked it off and filled it with land. But even there, that map is seemingly missing all of the forts / castles surrounding Amsterdam, of which there are a ton, like Fort Nigtevecht or Spijkerboor. Or if forts don't count as castles, then it raises a bunch of questions about other points that I'm pretty sure are forts and not castles. Cool map but I'm skeptical of their methodology that covers Belgium in castles but has so few in England or NL. Would be neat to see an interactive version of that map though. Saladman fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Dec 1, 2022 |
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Took me a second to figure out Israel's - the native population includes Arabs, the immigrants decidedly do not.
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Saladman posted:Is there a version of that map that actually lists what all of its points are? from what i can tell, at least Denmark includes castles that are complete ruins (ie basically only grass-covered foundation stones remaining)
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France definitely has points that are like châteaux or tower houses more accurately. My guess: they stripmined everything called a château off google maps or something. That could be a proper medieval castle, a palatial estate, or some podunk village rich guy house. Different terminology in different countries might be why say, Denmark's barely noticeable hill fort remnants get listed when surely England has plenty of those? Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Dec 1, 2022 |
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I mean at least some of them were real actual castles with walls and towers etc, they just got broken down by battle/disrepair, villagers using the stones for building material, etc
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Starks posted:*sees mid rise apartment building with gardens and bicycle racks* is this a screencap from The Wire? I remember watching films like Boyz N Tha Hood and Menace II Society as a child and thinking how all these people were obviously rich as they lived in single family houses with lawns and not large cramped apartment blocks like almost everyone I knew.
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FreudianSlippers posted:I remember watching films like Boyz N Tha Hood and Menace II Society as a child and thinking how all these people were obviously rich as they lived in single family houses with lawns and not large cramped apartment blocks like almost everyone I knew. Thats so funny, I remember thinking "jeese the houses in the LA ghetto don't look that bad" as a kid too. Detached houses on individual plots of land is a luxury of space thats reserved for the upper middle class in most urban areas.
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Blut posted:Thats so funny, I remember thinking "jeese the houses in the LA ghetto don't look that bad" as a kid too. Detached houses on individual plots of land is a luxury of space thats reserved for the upper middle class in most urban areas. I had this experience when playing GTA San Andreas. Like why is there a gang war in this leafy cul de sac
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Saladman posted:Such a North American post, lol. Like 90% of people living in cities in Europe live in places that look exactly like that. Including non-immigrants. Europe in general has an absolute poo poo ton more graffiti than the US, so the very small amount of graffiti in that photo isn't really meaningful either. I actually had the exact opposite reaction as you: "are they too european to understand what projects actually look like? are things THAT pretty over there that this is what you count as urban decay?"
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Platystemon posted:
What happened in Queensland
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Badger of Basra posted:What happened in Queensland In 2005, the state had no water fluoridation policy. In 2008, they said “hey we should fluoridate our water”, and they did. They’re regressed since 2012, though.
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Platystemon posted:
Why did Tasmania get worse
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ASAPRockySituation posted:Why did Tasmania get worse Population growth in areas not served by fluoridated water systems
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I know someone already responded to this but I do definitely hope that the term "castle" will finally die in the 21st century
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A castle is a fort that's also a residence but what about the forts of the Old West in America? What about the Red Fort in India? The only thing that makes those not castles, by that definition, is that they're not European or medieval. It's a meaningless distinction. It's gotta go.
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How will the king hide beside the rooks though
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Castle is my dog's name why you gotta be like that
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I know someone already responded to this but I do definitely hope that the term "castle" will finally die in the 21st century Then what will kids make out of sand on the beach?
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NDP posted:Then what will kids make out of sand on the beach? They'll graduate beyond castles to trace italienne and Vauban fortresses if they want to be able to hold back Louis Quatorze, I'll tell you that much.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:A castle is a fort that's also a residence but what about the forts of the Old West in America? What about the Red Fort in India? The only thing that makes those not castles, by that definition, is that they're not European or medieval. It's a meaningless distinction. It's gotta go. who cares
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If we're voting to get rid of castle, my vote is "keep"
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Just a little bon motte
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Brawnfire posted:Just a little bon motte that's bailey a pun
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Brawnfire posted:If we're voting to get rid of castle, my vote is "keep" hodlfast
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i say swears online posted:that's bailey a pun It's more ward-play
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So star forts are castles, right? This implies that the mod forum is a castle.
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https://twitter.com/TerribleMaps/status/1595549651616276480Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:A castle is a fort that's also a residence but what about the forts of the Old West in America? What about the Red Fort in India? The only thing that makes those not castles, by that definition, is that they're not European or medieval. It's a meaningless distinction. It's gotta go. It's because castles under the "proper" definition are specifically a medieval, feudal, independently powerful aristocrats that are difficult for whatever higher power to keep in line phenomena. It distinguishes these weird medieval elite homesteads from the much more organized fortifications from before and after the period where there were more organized states that could maintain standing armies to occupy those forts rather than a local residence for a local guy for the projection of local power that could at any time just break away on its own.
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This needs to have more of NC in the rear end cream part.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's because castles under the "proper" definition are specifically a medieval, feudal, independently powerful aristocrats that are difficult for whatever higher power to keep in line phenomena. It distinguishes these weird medieval elite homesteads from the much more organized fortifications from before and after the period where there were more organized states that could maintain standing armies to occupy those forts rather than a local residence for a local guy for the projection of local power that could at any time just break away on its own. Oi mate! You got a licence to crenelate? Don’t make me slight you!
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SlothfulCobra posted:
Neuschwanstein and Windsor are two incredibly famous examples of castles that have nothing to do with your definition. It's a meaningless, useless term.
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castles are cool nerds drool
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Neuschwanstein and Windsor are two incredibly famous examples of castles that have nothing to do with your definition. It's a meaningless, useless term. I disagree. If it excludes those two in particular, it’s working as designed. What do you want to be a castle next? That thing at Disneyland?
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Neuschwanstein and Windsor are two incredibly famous examples of castles that have nothing to do with your definition. It's a meaningless, useless term. Windsor started out as a proper Norman castle. It's all the later additions that turned it into a palace. Neuschwanstein on the other hand is a palace built to imitate a castle. Just because something's called a castle doesn't mean it is a castle. 
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I know someone already responded to this but I do definitely hope that the term "castle" will finally die in the 21st century
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ASAPRockySituation posted:Why did Tasmania get worse the real question is 'why did tassie not get more worse, faster'
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Windsor started out as a proper Norman castle. It's all the later additions that turned it into a palace. Neuschwanstein on the other hand is a palace built to imitate a castle.
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