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BigglesSWE posted:Ye during debates is gonna be fun. At the slightest hint of pushback from anyone he’ll just storm out and huff and puff, because he’s been insulated by yesmen for god knows how long. lol, the republicans won't let him on stage. They'll change what ever rules they need to, to make sure he isn't allowed on stage (he's an independent technically I think, so shouldn't be hard).
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Unless he was good at running with a football. Hmm. Yeah. That's fair. poo poo.
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When Kanye goes off script at his shows and starts speaking directly to the audience, is he any good at oratory? Is he like, jealous of how Hitler could speak to crowds and get them going?
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Hitler was the dangerous kind of fascist because he had actual charisma and could whip people into a frenzy (at least, he did, before the steady stream of drugs his quack doctor pumped him full of at all hours of the day boiled his brain). Ye... does not.
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Pirate Radar posted:When Kanye goes off script at his shows and starts speaking directly to the audience, is he any good at oratory? Is he like, jealous of how Hitler could speak to crowds and get them going? He sometimes has seven thoughts at once in his head.
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Grand Fromage posted:None of that has anything to do with if he thinks the Holocaust happened or not though. He could think it happened and was a great idea. He could believe it was fake. We don't know because he knows better than to say it on air. I've always thought he fundamentally just doesn't care that much. Alex doesn't care what's true, he cares how he can manipulate the appearance of truth to support his own venal purposes and the underlying truth and falsehood doesn't matter, and this is just as true for him internally as externally. I just don't think at the end of the day that Jones has much of a rich internal life. At least not anymore.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I've always thought he fundamentally just doesn't care that much. Alex doesn't care what's true, he cares how he can manipulate the appearance of truth to support his own venal purposes and the underlying truth and falsehood doesn't matter, and this is just as true for him internally as externally. Yeah I'm not sure asking what Alex believes is even a question that matters. He believes in what gets him money and he seems genuinely incapable of distinguishing reality and fiction. Most of his opinions change every time he says them. Dude thinks the TV is directly talking to him.
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I bet Alex thought he could pull the Tucker Carlson "have Kanye say the quite part for me" bit, but didn't realize Tuck had to cut out lots of extra spicy crazy. Nah, that sounds like work; so he just goes live and has a train wreck.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah I'm not sure asking what Alex believes is even a question that matters. He believes in what gets him money and he seems genuinely incapable of distinguishing reality and fiction. Most of his opinions change every time he says them. Dude thinks the TV is directly talking to him. And I think there’s a cycle of reinforcement here. Jones is incapable of distinguishing reality from fiction because he’s wealthy and comfortable enough that reality doesn’t matter to him anymore so who cares what’s real and what’s fiction. I don’t mean to go easy on the guy but I honestly don’t think he would be this crazy if he wasn’t rich.
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Pirate Radar posted:And I think there’s a cycle of reinforcement here. Jones is incapable of distinguishing reality from fiction because he’s wealthy and comfortable enough that reality doesn’t matter to him anymore so who cares what’s real and what’s fiction. I don’t mean to go easy on the guy but I honestly don’t think he would be this crazy if he wasn’t rich. Jones was a total nut when he was running a public access show and not rich. Being super rich is like mental illness, but you can also be plain mentally ill.
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Klyith posted:Jones was a total nut when he was running a public access show and not rich. You’re probably right. I don’t know much about his public access days besides that he made up stories about why he had to move towns. I guess I got the impression that he’d only started doing the weird snort-snarling routine about demons he drops into sometimes when he started having a national show.
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Moto42 posted:I bet Alex thought he could pull the Tucker Carlson "have Kanye say the quite part for me" bit, but didn't realize Tuck had to cut out lots of extra spicy crazy. Tim Pool got demolished. His nutjob-whatever-the-gently caress-you-call-it cred is in ruins. This bit with AJ will probably wind up as an exhibit.
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Pirate Radar posted:You’re probably right. I don’t know much about his public access days besides that he made up stories about why he had to move towns. I guess I got the impression that he’d only started doing the weird snort-snarling routine about demons he drops into sometimes when he started having a national show. Ish. His craziness has always been present, but it's come in at least 3-4 discrete, distinct forms that I can name off hand so I assume there are more and finer distinctions. A lot of the demon-magic stuff is pretty recent in the scope of his career, like well after he started endorsing Trump.
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Baron von Eevl posted:Didn't Jones grow up rich? Yeah his dad is a well-established dentist who was able to get AJ his first job in radio by sponsoring ads on the station
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waydownLo posted:Yeah his dad is a well-established dentist who was able to get AJ his first job in radio by sponsoring ads on the station I knew there was a reason I never trust dentists. 
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waydownLo posted:Yeah his dad is a well-established dentist who was able to get AJ his first job in radio by sponsoring ads on the station His dad even gave him a shell company he had lying around so Alex started the game with a fully functioning corporate entity with a history of good credit. Literally as complete a package as you could want.
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Do a lot of dentists have shell companies lying around?
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Pirate Radar posted:Do a lot of dentists have shell companies lying around? What do you think shell companies are for?
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Philthy posted:The Klan is going to vote for Kanye. Klanye
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Plan R posted:What do you think shell companies are for? Something, something… polish? I’m not getting the dentistry joke here
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Pirate Radar posted:Do a lot of dentists have shell companies lying around? Alex's dad seems to have some niche approaches to finances. In one of the depositions he goes over some of how he likes money to move around and he's talking about how his salary isn't actually a salary it's paying him to come out of retirement from another company that he happens to own except I can't remember it well and I know there were other steps. It was completely baroque, like someone mechanically describing how insects chew.
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Pirate Radar posted:Something, something… polish? I’m not getting the dentistry joke here Look if I have to explain it to you I'll probably go to prison.
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BigglesSWE posted:Ye during debates is gonna be fun. At the slightest hint of pushback from anyone he’ll just storm out and huff and puff, because he’s been insulated by yesmen for god knows how long. ye's men BigglesSWE posted:Trump just might, in the usual corporate conservative mindset of “well the black voters are all secured now that we have one of them!” He definitely won't. Kanye showed up at Mar-a-Lago with his nazi entourage and graciously offered Trump the role of being his VP candidate. Trump has no principles, but I don't think he can ever brook letting a bigger ego into his spotlight.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:ye's men Incredible.
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Volmarias posted:Incredible.
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IncrYediblYe
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That messes with my brain trying to pronounce that.
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It's not meant to be pronounced, it's meant to be felt. Like right in the heart and all.
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Still crazy that this made Alex Jones come across as a somewhat reasonable figure especially for people who aren't that familiar with him. That's something I worry about.
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I would be more worried if he hadn’t also just become the world’s most sued man. It’s hard to swing all the way back from that to “kind of a reasonable guy”
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While I don't necessarily think this is what Ye is doing specifically, I think some people will run for US presidency or other office simply because it affords them more protection from pushback on social media on the things they say. Facebook like a week or two ago outright stated that Trump's speech is now immune to being fact-checked explicitly because he's running for office, and some people are definitely brain poisoned by social media enough that they'll run a hopeless ticket simply to insulate them from bans and the like.
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alex jones has personally filed for bankruptcy in the same court his entities have been getting ruthlessly spanked (southern district of Texas, case no 22-35533)
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An arsonist isn't a good person if they're one of the firefighters battling the blaze. Alex Jones isn't a reasonable person in these clips, he's been tossing these matches for decades and in tomorrow's episode he'll bring the lighter fluid out again. He'll absolutely still get credit for being the voice of reason because that's how he set things up to be portrayed but it's another one of his self serving media manipulation lies designed and produced for that purpose.
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Isn't this whole running for president thing just him having a manic episode and he'll either be distracted by something else, or otherwise just won't bother doing any of the actual work that would involve. Treating it as a real thing that he's actually going to do seems pointless.
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Confusedslight posted:Still crazy that this made Alex Jones come across as a somewhat reasonable figure especially for people who aren't that familiar with him. That's something I worry about. this is why it always works out in his favor to have the crazies on. if they are less crazy than him, he gets to ham it up. if they are more crazy, he gets to be the voice of reason. win-win.
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Alex Jones wrote a book calling people like George W Bush lizard people... Like 20 years ago. The crazy has always been there.
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Deptfordx posted:Isn't this whole running for president thing just him having a manic episode and he'll either be distracted by something else, or otherwise just won't bother doing any of the actual work that would involve. We said this about Trump
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Xiahou Dun posted:Alex's dad seems to have some niche approaches to finances. In one of the depositions he goes over some of how he likes money to move around and he's talking about how his salary isn't actually a salary it's paying him to come out of retirement from another company that he happens to own except I can't remember it well and I know there were other steps. It was completely baroque, like someone mechanically describing how insects chew. I'm still not 100% sure on what he was specifically doing, but there's nothing wrong, per se, with what he was doing. We do this kind of thing for clients ourselves, where the same person owns corporation A and corporation B. In Canada, a loss for tax purposes can only be carried forward for 20 years before it's expired. So if corporation A and corporation B work in a similar field, and A has tax losses but is mostly inactive, B will pay A management fees or something so B can reduce its taxable income and A can use up its losses and not pay taxes before it's ultimately dissolved. As I understood it, he was basically subcontracting his dad through his dad's former company for a year or so. Again, don't know about what the IRS says, but CRA has rules about that kind of thing. Having said that, you don't see too many dentists or other practitioners do something like this, but Alex's dad definitely knew what he was doing when it was set up. Involving his parents in all of the various shell and holding companies wasn't just a way for him to hide some assets, his old man definitely had experience with all of this.
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