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ponzicar posted:Not even remotely true. He's an amateur that presents his opinions as facts, and real military historians hate him.  That's him for sure, a right proper gobshite.
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FishBulbia posted:There is a huge genre of Youtube which seems to just be an appeal to authority but the authority is having a posh accent Ah, the Hitchens zone
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Antigravitas posted:If I had a posh accent instead of a Plattdüütsch tinted German one, I'd be using it everywhere as well. Is he the guy who doesn't believe in normal shirt collars? e: Actually just BISed the name and yeah he is and also yeah, he is.
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Apparently Putin's terms are to keep the annexed territories. He can go gently caress himself imo. Russia will surrender all occupied territory, including Crimea. There are no other terms.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Is he the guy who doesn't believe in normal shirt collars? He's like TIK: occasionally posts something of mild interest, but has really lovely and awful personal views and can't stop bringing them up. I caught one wiff of him getting riled up about  , then pieced together a couple of other warning signs, and blocked his vids.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63832151 Puty-pants wants his land grabs officially recognized BEFORE talks. Whelk's chance in a supernova of that happening.
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OAquinas posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63832151 this poo poo should be shown to all the osint "experts" and professors on twitter who think that we have to negotiate with putin
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Tigey posted:He's like TIK: occasionally posts something of mild interest, but has really lovely and awful personal views and can't stop bringing them up. I caught one wiff of him getting riled up about TIK went on a rant against the NHS during one of his vids about not being able to get access to a NHS dentist, that put me right off the lad. 
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Not being able to get an NHS dentist is one of the poo poo things about medical care in the UK, but the issue there isn't that there's too much NHS, it's that the tories are killing it. Who's TIK, anyway?
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Yureina posted:Apparently Putin's terms are to keep the annexed territories. He can go gently caress himself imo. Except for Crimea, the Russian government never actually defined what the borders of the four other provinces actually are, did they? I mean I don't think literally anyone would agree give them one square centimeter of Kherson province or Zaporijjia province, and doubt more than a handful of people would even remotely agree to giving them parts of Donetsk and Luhansk, so kind of a moot point.
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OAquinas posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63832151 Oh, well, in that case gently caress off then Putin. I'm a little curious what exactly he was hoping for here. How would Western recognition of the annexation even work out when Ukraine still holds much of the territory "annexed"? Even if you buy into his view that Ukraine is a Western puppet, why exactly does he think the West/Ukraine would agree to give up what they hold without a fight? I don't know if it even plays well for international propaganda purposes given that it's such an unreasonable, unjustifiable demand. I guess this ties back into the bigger question of "What does Putin think his end-game is here by now?" Does he actually have any idea what outcome he would like to see achieved and any reasonable idea how to accomplish it? Impossible to answer without reading his mind but it does feel in general like there isn't a central strategy now if there ever was one before, other than maybe "Wait and hopefully something will get better, somehow?"
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Saladman posted:Except for Crimea, the Russian government never actually defined what the borders of the four other provinces actually are, did they? I mean I don't think literally anyone would agree give them one square centimeter of Kherson province or Zaporijjia province, and doubt more than a handful of people would even remotely agree to giving them parts of Donetsk and Luhansk, so kind of a moot point. Pretty sure he means the entire oblasts, yes. Remember, Kherson is the temporarily-occupied capital of a rightful russian province.
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OAquinas posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63832151 So the only chances now for a quick end to the war are: 1: Ukraine gives up (nope) 2: NATO lend-leases Ukraine a shitload of Abrams, F-16s and ATACMS (nope) 3: Putin mysteriously slips and falls Dammit. 
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Has anyone considered that Macron and Biden knew that was one of Putin's preconditions and wanted to get him on the record to shut up the other waffling western countries? If you know that "peace" with Russia is continued brinksmanship and land grabs, it's going to shut you up. Biden has carte blanche to give military aid unless and until the lend-lease is appealed. The USA doesn't give a hot drat about the war continuing. And France is one of the more steadfast pro-Ukraine states in Europe.
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Pook Good Mook posted:And France is one of the more steadfast pro-Ukraine states in Europe. Ahem, no (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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France was literally selling tank parts to Russia 2014-2022 despite having supposedly sanctioned them.
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OddObserver posted:France was literally selling tank parts to Russia 2014-2022 despite having supposedly sanctioned them. The EU sanctions only applied retroactively. No need for "despite" or "supposedly" when it's all above ground. The EU (France, Germany, Sweden, Spain) is among the world's top arms manufacturers, don't trust it anymore than you trust the US on poo poo like this.
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https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1598682166241759233?t=hzfsvU3ayLj_NMLjT31AXg&s=19 https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1598468864647614465?t=fahsDtqUo1_Mb71uicta0w&s=19 This does not have exactly the best optics 
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Honestly surprised the Russian Orthodox Church was allowed to operate in Ukraine for this long given their views on the war.
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1598682166241759233?t=hzfsvU3ayLj_NMLjT31AXg&s=19 whats the issue, the russian orthodox church is literally backing the invasion and killing of ukranians
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Willo567 posted:whats the issue, the russian orthodox church is literally backing the invasion and killing of ukranians And ran by one of the Putin's inner circle ex-KGB buddies.
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Willo567 posted:whats the issue, the russian orthodox church is literally backing the invasion and killing of ukranians the ukrainian branch publicly broke from the russian patriarch in may, if i recall correctly and "banning a religious branch" is always an extremely blunt instrument to use, even if it is the correct one
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1598682166241759233?t=hzfsvU3ayLj_NMLjT31AXg&s=19 What's the bad part of the optics? That it took them this long to severe connections with the Russian Orthodox Church after their patriarch said that Ukrainians are genocidal devils that should be put under the heel ( https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/21/russias-orthodox-church-paints-the-conflict-in-ukraine-as-a-holy-war )? That he said that any Russian who dies fighting against Ukraine will immediately go to heaven and get 72 virgins ( https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-patriarch-kirill-dying-ukraine-sins/32052380.html )? Churches have had major schisms over way, way less than that. If the Pope declares a crusade on Turkey, I'd be alright if they also banned Catholic churches in Turkey. Saladman fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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I mean, yeah, banning a religious sect does tend to reflect poorly on the banning party but in this case "optics" take a backseat to "existential threat" They've been fomenting pro-russian stances among people. FA, FO.
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A big flaming stink posted:the ukrainian branch publicly broke from the russian patriarch in may, if i recall correctly
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Saladman posted:What's the bad part of the optics? That it took them this long to severe connections with the Russian Orthodox Church after their patriarch said that Ukrainians are genocidal devils that should be put under the heel ( https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/21/russias-orthodox-church-paints-the-conflict-in-ukraine-as-a-holy-war )? That he said that any Russian who dies fighting against Ukraine will immediately go to heaven and get 72 virgins ( https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-patriarch-kirill-dying-ukraine-sins/32052380.html )? from reuters: quote:The Ukrainian government will draw up a law banning churches affiliated with Russia under moves described by President Volodymyr Zelenskiy as necessary to prevent Moscow being able to "weaken Ukraine from within." quote:Further searches of church premises were taking place on Friday. The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) it said was searching at least five parishes belonging to a branch of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church which until May was subordinated to the Russian Orthodox Church. quote:The branch has condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine but many Ukrainians fear it could be a source of Russian influence in the country. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-orders-probe-into-russian-linked-church-says-zelenskiy-2022-12-01/ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I do hate click-bait, but when I saw Putin fell down stairs I DID get a little smile on my face. Unfortunately, he survived.
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Fire Storm posted:I do hate click-bait, but when I saw Putin fell down stairs I DID get a little smile on my face. Unfortunately, he survived. Maybe it was a rehearsal.
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To be honest this being the Orthodox Church gets a bit weird - Orthodox Christianity has a whole thing where the various different branches are pretty similar in doctrine and ministration and their differences mostly center around politics, to wit, "Who runs which part of the church where and who gets to appoint which bishops and ministers where (and who recognizes whose right to do what)." Unsurprisingly churches have a tendency to declare themselves autocephalous when the nation that the church has jurisdiction over becomes independent and self-governing as well, and Orthodox churches tend to be closely linked with the politics of their host nation - notably the Byzantine Emperors and Moscow Tsars were frequently able to exercise direct political control over the churches in their territories and order them to issue rulings in their favor, in a way that for instance the Western European nations couldn't easily do with the Pope. Since the difference between the Russian Church and the Ukrainian Church is primarily political, not religious, I doubt there's very many Ukrainians genuinely concerned for the state of their soul if they can't worship at a Russian Church - and if they really are that concerned, it does kinda raise questions on why they can't just worship at the identical-in-almost-every-way-for-religious-purposes Ukrainian Church instead. There might be a very few theological rules lawyers who genuinely believe in the unassailable theological primacy of the Russian Church but I can't imagine that's a huge number. It also looks like, judging from the Wall Street article, another political dimension to this as well - the Russian branch in Ukraine has apparently lost a huge amount of followers and influence to the Ukrainian branch, but still legally owns the biggest and most important religious sites in Ukraine proper. Zelensky might be trying for a relatively easy domestic political win by transferring control of such sites to the much more popular Ukrainian branch. Strictly speaking from pure freedom of religion perspectives I could see banning the Russian branch being problematic, but given that adherents to the Russian branch apparently now comprises 4% of the Ukrainian population (according to the WSJ article which I foolishly closed and now can't get past the paywall for), the situation regarding Ukrainian religious sites mentioned above, Russia's traditional control over the Russian Orthodox church and its subordinates, the clear direction of the Russian influence on its church preaching and the ongoing war...well, there's a giant pile of reasons to do something about the Russian Church and not many reasons at all to let it go on quietly.
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Willo567 posted:whats the issue, the russian orthodox church is literally backing the invasion and killing of ukranians The issue is that they waited this Long to finally step in
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Libluini posted:The issue is that they waited this Long to finally step in Probably has to do with some investigations into it finally wrapping up recently.
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Russia and Ukraine are fighting the first full-scale drone war The article itself has some good visuals but I'll post it here in its entirety because it's fascinating. quote:KHARKIV, Ukraine — A war that began with Russian tanks rolling across Ukraine’s borders, World War I-style trenches carved into the earth and Soviet-made artillery pounding the landscape now has a more modern dimension: soldiers observing the battlefield on a small satellite-linked monitor while their palm-size drone hovers out of sight.
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Correct insofar as scale is unprecedented on both sides. Unfortunately I don't think this even vaguely scratches the surface of what full scale drone war will look like in even the semi-near future.
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Payndz posted:So the only chances now for a quick end to the war are: The idea that #2 results in a quick end to the war is an absolute fantasy.
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Willo567 posted:If Ukraine wanted to retake Crimea, would ATACMS be necessary? Very likely. Getting to Crimea would mean getting past two checkpoints on the peninsula, and you need some long-range firepower breaking those chokepoints by targeting command posts, ammo dumps, convoys, etc., and covering the UkAF's advance afterwards all the while keeping Sevastopol at bay. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Willo567 posted:If Ukraine wanted to retake Crimea, would ATACMS be necessary? They'd help but they're not 100% necessary to take the Kerch out fully. Ukraine's naval drone bombs are causing massive problems for Russia's Black Sea fleet, I imagine another swarm of those will be employed to fully take out the Kerch bridge when the time is right. Though it's also possible the bridge's reduced capacity is already reducing supplies enough for Ukraine to advance. There's been reports of Russia pulling back from villages south of Zaporizhzhia already. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Willo567 posted:If Ukraine wanted to retake Crimea, would ATACMS be necessary? Not necessary. Certainly helpful, but there are always multiple ways to accomplish a task. Some are more efficient than others, but all can be made to work.
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