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terrorist ambulance posted:What difficulty are you playing at Heresy. I expect the problems are likely to get worse on Diff 5, though the things that Psyker excels at will also be even better there. It's not to say that Psyker doesn't have some really great qualities, just that a lot of those are incidental to any choices you make regarding your Feat choices entirely. It's often overlooked or considered too obvious, but being able to lock on to a priority target and duck behind cover or around a corner while doing guaranteed damage is absurdly powerful and nothing any of the other classes can do can beat that. Your F also has exceptional range--a much larger range than you probably think--and can stagger pretty much anything it hits outside of some specific examples. Neither of those things are things Feats influence, though, which feels like a mistake given they're the two best things about the class.
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Would there be a particular class I'd want if I was trying to avoid spam clicking my mouse? Would that be veteran with a full auto weapon? Thinking zealot would be a big no with the focus on melee.. not sure how Psykers work. Lots of charge up attacks?
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Sab Sabbington posted:Heresy. I expect the problems are likely to get worse on Diff 5, though the things that Psyker excels at will also be even better there. weird, I'm playing mostly at 3 or 4 and honestly don't really enjoy any other class as much as the psyker. I'll play zealot or ogryn for a bit to switch it up and just end up coming back. their feat layout / choices are pretty schizophrenic but I don't think that's unique to them. veteran has a pretty coherent design but ogryn and zealots seem weird / have limited effective choices too
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having just messed around with the ogryn for the first time the past hour or so there's like a split second between when the projectile for their grenade box throw spawns and when it feels like it should from the animation that always seems to make it hit behind where i'm aiming
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Bored Grunt posted:Would there be a particular class I'd want if I was trying to avoid spam clicking my mouse? Would that be veteran with a full auto weapon? Kind of simplifying, but Zealot and Ogryn are mostly front line characters while Veteran and Psyker are more ranged. You'll still need to balance melee and ranged combat no matter which class you choose but Vet and Psyker would be better starting choices if you're trying to avoid constantly being in the fray. Going by what everyone has been saying Vet is the strongest class in the game and can be just as effective in melee range once you get a force sword, I haven't reached that point leveling mine yet.
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Bored Grunt posted:Would there be a particular class I'd want if I was trying to avoid spam clicking my mouse? Would that be veteran with a full auto weapon? Veteran with one of the recon lasguns is maybe the least technical APM? Though probably not by a huge margin Alternatively just plug in a controller and play zealot.
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Sab Sabbington posted:Heresy. I expect the problems are likely to get worse on Diff 5, though the things that Psyker excels at will also be even better there.    There are, constantly and everywhere, railings and fences with big obvious gaps in them. You can, completely reasonably, shoot through them. But you cannot lock on a brain burst through them, which makes no sense and feels terrible. If anything it should be more lenient than shooting. If I have LoS on an enemy, at all, I should be able to lock on brain burst.
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drat Dirty Ape posted:Ok dumb question time, am I supposed to be buying stuff from the armoury as I level or do I just have bad luck in drops? You should be buying stuff in the armory.
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got the notification that i finished my task mid-mission, completed the mission successfully, no progress advanced on the task back on the ship and it is still listed as incomplete between that and the buggy secondary objectives i'm not gonna worry about the contract completion reward for a few weeks
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seems like they upped the post mission drop rate for difficulty 3, difficulty 2 still not dropping anything.
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Jerkface posted:im resigned to never getting the veteran ones because i dont want to shoot my gun with 100% accuracy and zero bullets left Idk if anyone responded to this yet as I'm still reading through the threead, but you can just play normally until the very end, drop your ammo to 1, then disconnect/reconnect and fire off your final shot to get the penance done. Communist Q fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Dec 3, 2022 |
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Communist Q posted:Idk if anyone responded to this yet as I'm still reading through the threead, but you can just play normally, drop your ammo to 1, then disconnect/reconnect and fire off your final shot to get the penance done. what's the fastest way to do that because i alt f4d a game earlier today which locked up my whole pc and then when i logged back in it didn't give me a reconnect option to tho quick play did put me back in the same game
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Jerkface posted:im resigned to never getting the veteran ones because i dont want to shoot my gun with 100% accuracy and zero bullets left  "Perils of the warp explosion" is the explosion when you blow yourself up after going over 100% peril. Also, it's just elites, not specialists!
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Jerkface posted:what's the fastest way to do that because i alt f4d a game earlier today which locked up my whole pc and then when i logged back in it didn't give me a reconnect option to tho quick play did put me back in the same game I just alt f4'd. I know that was an issue on launch day, but I thought it was resolved. I did mine prior to launch, and haven't really been crashing since the last couple of patches.
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terrorist ambulance posted:weird, I'm playing mostly at 3 or 4 and honestly don't really enjoy any other class as much as the psyker. I'll play zealot or ogryn for a bit to switch it up and just end up coming back. their feat layout / choices are pretty schizophrenic but I don't think that's unique to them. veteran has a pretty coherent design but ogryn and zealots seem weird / have limited effective choices too Oh, yeah, I'm not commenting on the design coherence of Psyker vs. anything else. Literally all of my 75 hours or so has been on Psyker so far so outside of what I've seen from friends I can't speak to how they play firsthand--though by all accounts they need a lot of work in their own ways. Broadly I don't think the matter of Veteran VS Psyker matters much at all at the end of the day and both classes played by competent players will be able to clear Difficulty 5 with little variance between them. I'm more interested in Psyker changes building more of a functional identity for the class beyond just "Can kill specials real good" because, much like in VT2, literally any class can do that as it stands, right now, on Difficulty 5, as long as it's played by someone who has the knowledge and loadout to do it.
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Psykers should be able to target multiple brain bursts at once so they can be the ranged control character similar to how Ogryn is the melee control character.
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I got my Veteran to 30 and started a Zealot. I had no choice but to make Cassandra Pentaghast (although I can only use one "s" since you can't put "rear end" in your name)
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here's a thought about psyker balance but it requires someone with more knowledge of warhammer 40k canon than i do: force staves generally can be used to smash poo poo up forcewise, right? or is that specifically space marine librarians? because right now force staves do have a melee attack but its damage is ludicrously abysmal (it might do a lot of stagger like the ogryn's slap, i'm not sure). if you really gave that some oomph it could be something, balance wise (make it cost peril if you want), and it wouldn't be replacing your melee weapon entirely because here's the thing: you still wouldn't be able to block with the staff out.
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How exactly does the zealot charge work? I keep trying to kill the mutant with it but haven't received credit for it so I think I'm doing it wrong. You just left click them while dashing, right?
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Spanish Manlove posted:How exactly does the zealot charge work? I keep trying to kill the mutant with it but haven't received credit for it so I think I'm doing it wrong. You just left click them while dashing, right? while you're holding down the action button it'll put an orange aura on the specific enemy you're targeting, that's what you'll charge towards when you release. it's not exactly like the ogryn's bulldozer dash
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Man, I finished the espionage mission on Malice with 0 health damage taken and didn't get the penance. Gonna riot.
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Once i finish my weeklys i'm likely gonna shelve my pysker until they rebalance it because every weapon but the voidstrike is just so meh and i can contribute so much more to the team with another class. Brain pop should be a friggin cone and the staves should give you different varieties of brain pops. The fact that i have to toggle to something that should be my classes main weapon is just dumb--pop then go back to stave to vent fast?? Get rid of the light attack with staves and change secondary to light attacks while secondary would be staff flavored brain pops, surge would cause the target to get stunned faster and explode into lightening when popped, etc. Feats could be used to toggle brain pops too from wide area pops to focused but fast powerful pops.
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Cowcaster posted:while you're holding down the action button it'll put an orange aura on the specific enemy you're targeting, that's what you'll charge towards when you release. it's not exactly like the ogryn's bulldozer dash Thanks, I got it now. I'll give it a shot again later. Just unlocked the 2h chainsword and now this is 40k
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does the first feat level for veteran's "on elite kill restore 25% toughness plus 25% toughness over time" count for specialists or just specifically elites
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Arghy posted:Once i finish my weeklys i'm likely gonna shelve my pysker until they rebalance it because every weapon but the voidstrike is just so meh and i can contribute so much more to the team with another class. Brain pop should be a friggin cone and the staves should give you different varieties of brain pops. The fact that i have to toggle to something that should be my classes main weapon is just dumb--pop then go back to stave to vent fast?? i'm actually impressed how the copy-paste of the staff light attacks still feel better than their vermintide 1/2 equivalent. the shot is pinpoint accurate, the projectile is faster, and it does good damage on a headshot on non-carapace armored things. not like it makes up for much but after the uselessness of them in vermintide 2 i was surprised.
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i would love it if the psyker became more of a ranged controller. Like brain burst multiple targets, brain burst 1 target but stop them immediately, brain burst where on death something cool happens etc
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Jerkface posted:i would love it if the psyker became more of a ranged controller. Like brain burst multiple targets, brain burst 1 target but stop them immediately, brain burst where on death something cool happens etc i've been turning it over in my head and i'm on the same page, and with veteran's ranged dps, zealots melee dps, and ogryn's tank there's a real niche there for the psyker to be the status effect maven. make the trauma staff cause everything its aoe hits to take triple damage for a few seconds. make soulblaze stacks slow enemies to a complete crawl. make brain bursting an enemy stagger chaff around them. it could be done!
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Cowcaster posted:i'm actually impressed how the copy-paste of the staff light attacks still feel better than their vermintide 1/2 equivalent. the shot is pinpoint accurate, the projectile is faster, and it does good damage on a headshot on non-carapace armored things.
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IronicDongz posted:it loving sucks on the purgatus staff though, just a useless little puff of flame well that's because fatshark mashed ctrl-c, ctrl-v on every staff from vermintide 2 besides the chain lightning one, and as it turns out the primary fire on all of them was pretty useless so no one really noticed that the flame one was any better or worse until they tuned it up for this edit: like if the charge up time for brain burst is slower than any other class' ranged attack for killing a special make it do something else beside killing the special (i think the idea is doing it from cover/infinite distance is the idea but i don't think it makes up for it). edit2: i'm fully serious if you don't have ideas for staves fatshark just rip deep rock galactic off wholesale. breach cutter staff. fat boy staff. gauss gun staff. shock rifle staff. ges biorifle staff. great artists steal! Cowcaster fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Dec 3, 2022 |
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I have been trying the 4th highest difficulty. Got through a couple of runs but mostly getting wiped out in cruel combinations of specials . Today had a deamonhost and a beast of nurgle in one room that I accidentally wandered into alone trying to rejoin the team.
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Cowcaster posted:edit: like if the charge up time for brain burst is slower than any other class' ranged attack for killing a special make it do something else beside killing the special (i think the idea is doing it from cover/infinite distance is the idea but i don't think it makes up for it). but I do think it should have more utility. honestly I'd like it if you could just, brainburst things without even having LoS on them, like if someone pings a special/elite you should be able to just burst it through a wall or whatever
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A Perfect Twist posted:I have been trying the 4th highest difficulty. Got through a couple of runs but mostly getting wiped out in cruel combinations of specials . Today had a deamonhost and a beast of nurgle in one room that I accidentally wandered into alone trying to rejoin the team. This is rough and was probably frustrating but also sounds loving hilarious.
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IronicDongz posted:well tbf pretty frequently you can precharge the brain burst and then pop the special/elite with it as soon as you actually get LoS on them, in which case it's effectively a lot faster i feel like the counterargument to this is a veteran can pop out from cover and put a round in a special's brain just as fast as a precharged psyker could brain burst it, and meanwhile the psyker is entirely defenseless while precharging and generating peril for the privilege, and the brain burst isn't even a guaranteed kill on higher difficulties where a veteran can just: fire more bullets
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Yo, if you’re playing psyker on higher difficulties and using brain burst often, you’re playing it wrong IMO My main use for brain burst: get the perk that lets you charge brain burst faster after you ult and fire off five brain bursts when multiple Ogryn enemies or bosses show up. That’s basically it outside of throwing a pop on dogs or a mutant to help delete them before they get someone. Voidstrike is pinpoint accurate, charges faster, pulls more than 75% of the damage on headshots and can hit a massive numbers of enemies in a line, etc etc Not to be confrontational, but the goon who said that the voidstrike staff was “meh” is so incredibly wrong that it hurts — it’s an AOE stun railgun that pens everything but big boy creatures (including friendlies). If you think and use it to maximize those benefits, there’s no class that can crowd control —and still delete things— like that at range. I’d go so far as to say that when the voidstrike staff gets nerfed, Psyker will not be worth playing — it’s that much better than everything else for the class (and everything other ranged weapon for everyone else’s classes too tbh) tehinternet fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Dec 3, 2022 |
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Cowcaster posted:i feel like the counterargument to this is a veteran can pop out from cover and put a round in a special's brain just as fast as a precharged psyker could brain burst it, and meanwhile the psyker is entirely defenseless while precharging and generating peril for the privilege, and the brain burst isn't even a guaranteed kill on higher difficulties where a veteran can just: fire more bullets Yuuuup. The only advantage Psyker has over Veteran is with Carapice armor. And even that becomes a moot point if they are using plasma or bolter.
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Internet Explorer posted:Yuuuup. The only advantage Psyker has over Veteran is with Carapice armor. And even that becomes a moot point if they are using plasma or bolter. Voidstrike is a better plasma with AOE stun, larger lethal area, no chip damage and unlimited ammo It’s literally the only thing the class has that makes it stand out in higher difficulties — it’s easily the best general purpose ranged weapon in the game and the only one that can rapidly crowd control & kill large groups or large mobs at any range I will stan for voidstrike all day, if it hosed any harder you’d get bruises irl If voidstrike didn’t exist, I’d agree with your post
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