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# ? Dec 3, 2022 04:36

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# ? Dec 3, 2022 04:39

Southpaugh: May 26, 2007; Smokey Bacon

the bitcoin of weed posted:

it is really unclear what the tweet says, tbf. is the "unconditional faith of the old world" supposed to be Colonialism

I basically took it to mean that american capitalists have maneuvered the european green movement into self defeating and untenable political and economic policies. Shuttering nuclear plants etc.

Unconditional faith in this instance is the suicidal trust that the euros have in their american allies, that america still has their best interests at heart and they aren't in fact an economically subjugated neo-colony. The old world is europe the new world is america.

Southpaugh has issued a correction as of 05:36 on Dec 3, 2022

# ? Dec 3, 2022 05:33

Horizon Burning: Oct 23, 2019

you know something's going bad somewhere because the media is pushing that inane 'according to a telegram channel, putin fell down the stairs and shat himself' story

# ? Dec 3, 2022 05:59

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1598792010764541952

unnamed us official strikes again

# ? Dec 3, 2022 06:13

16-bit Butt-Head: Dec 25, 2014

zelenskyy is going to take c-spam to the bank... the blood bank

# ? Dec 3, 2022 07:21

speng31b: May 8, 2010

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

zelenskyy is going to take c-spam to the bank... the blood bank

same

# ? Dec 3, 2022 07:22

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

zelenskyy is going to take c-spam to the bank... the blood bank

I feel a 1990s action movie montage coming on.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 07:49

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

zelenskyy is going to take c-spam to the bank... the blood bank

It's going to turn out that Seagal was a double agent for Ukraine all along. He will, of course, remain seated for the remainder of this war.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 07:51

speng31b: May 8, 2010

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# ? Dec 3, 2022 07:52

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Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1598792010764541952

unnamed us official strikes again

unnamed us official would be a good username

# ? Dec 3, 2022 07:58

speng31b: May 8, 2010

when drained of all blood and cum cspam will return to torpor

# ? Dec 3, 2022 08:04

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://fair.org/home/action-alert-nyt-has-found-new-neo-nazi-troops-to-lionize-in-ukraine/ - pictures in the link

quote:

ACTION ALERT: NYT Has Found New Neo-Nazi Troops to Lionize in Ukraine
Eric Horowitz
9�12 minutes

The New York Times has found another neo-Nazi militia to fawn over in Ukraine. The Bratstvo battalion �gave access to the New York Times to report on two recent riverine operations,� which culminated in a piece (11/21/22) headlined �On the River at Night, Ambushing Russians.�

New York Times (11/21/22): �The Bratstvo battalion has undertaken some of the conflict�s most difficult missions, conducting forward spotting and sabotage along the front lines.�

Since the US-backed Maidan coup in 2014, establishment media have either minimized the far-right ideology that guides many Ukrainian nationalist detachments or ignored it completely.

Anti-war outlets, including FAIR (1/28/22, 3/22/22), have repeatedly highlighted this dynamic�particularly regarding corporate media�s lionization of the Azov battalion, once widely recognized by Western media as a fascist militia, now sold to the public as a reformed far-right group that gallantly defends the sovereignty of a democratic Ukraine (New York Times, 10/4/22; FAIR.org, 10/6/22).

That is when Azov�s political orientation is discussed at all, which has become less and less common since Russia launched its invasion in February.

�Christian Taliban�

Intercept: The Making of a Christian Taliban in Ukraine

�We need to create something like a Christian Taliban,� Dmytro Korchynsky told the Intercept (3/18/15). �The Christian Taliban can succeed, just as the Taliban are driving the Americans out of Afghanistan.�

The lesser-known Bratstvo battalion, within which the Times embedded its reporters, is driven by several far-right currents�none of which are mentioned in the article.

Bratstvo was founded as a political organization in 2004 by Dmytro Korchynsky, who previously led the far-right Ukrainian National Assembly�Ukrainian People�s Self-Defense (UNA-UNSO).

Korchynsky, who now fights in Bratstvo�s paramilitary wing, is a Holocaust denier who falsely blamed Jews for the 1932�33 famine in Ukraine, and peddled the lie that �120,000 Jews fought in the Wehrmacht.� He has stated that he sees Bratstvo as a �Christian Taliban� (Intercept, 3/18/15).

In the 1980s, the Times portrayed the religious extremists of the Afghan mujahideen�who were receiving US training and arms�as a heroic bulwark against Soviet expansionism. We all know how that worked out.

In an echo of that propaganda campaign, the Times neglected to tell its readers about the neo-Nazi and theocratic politics of the Bratstvo battalion. Why should anyone care who else Bratstvo members would like to see dead, so long as they�re operating in furtherance of US policymakers� stated aim of weakening Russia?

Modern-day crusade

The article�s author, Carlotta Gall, recounted Bratstvo�s Russian-fighting exploits in quasi-religious terms. Indeed, the only instances in which the Times even hinted at the unit�s guiding ideology came in the form of mythologizing the unit�s Christian devotion.

Of Bratstvo fighters embarking on a mission, Gall wrote, �They recited a prayer together, then loaded up the narrow rubber dinghies and set out, hunched silent figures in the dark.� Referring to battalion commander Oleksiy Serediuk�s wife, who also fights with the unit, Gall extolled, �She has gained an almost mythical renown for surviving close combat with Russian troops.�

The piece even featured a photograph showing militia members gathered in prayer. Evoking the notion of pious soldiers rather than that of a �Christian Taliban,� the caption read, �Members of the Bratstvo battalion�s special forces unit prayed together before going on a night operation.�

The Times also gave voice to some of the loftier aims of Bratstvo�s crusade, quoting Serediuk�s musing that, �We all dream about going to Chechnya, and the Kremlin, and as far as the Ural Mountains.� Nazi racial ideologues have long been enamored by the prospect of reaching the Urals, which they view as the natural barrier separating European culture from the Asiatic hordes.

While plotting Operation Barbarossa, Hitler identified the Urals as the eastern extent of the Wehrmacht�s planned advance. In 1943, referring to the Nazi scheme that aimed to rid European Russia of Asiatic �untermenschen� so the land could be settled by hundreds of millions of white Europeans, Himmler declared, �We will charge ahead and push our way forward little by little to the Urals.�

�Mindset of the 13th century�

Al Jazeera: �Christian Taliban�s� crusade on Ukraine�s front lines

Bratstvo commander Oleksiy Serediuk explained to Al Jazeera (4/15/15): �I left the Azov because it was full of pagans. Committed Christians in the Azov were not allowed to stop to pray throughout the day.�

The only two Bratstvo members named in the piece, meanwhile, are Serediuk and Vitaliy Chorny. While Chorny�who the Times identified as the battalion�s head of intelligence gathering�is quoted, his statements are limited to descriptions of the unit�s fighting strategy. Serediuk�s recorded utterances are similarly lacking in substance.

Far more illuminating is an Al Jazeera article (4/15/15) titled ��Christian Taliban�s� Crusade on Ukraine�s Front Lines,� which quotes both Serediuk and Chorny extensively. Serediuk, Al Jazeera reported, �revels in the Christian Taliban label.� In reference to his decision to leave the Azov battalion, the piece went on to say:

Serediuk didn�t leave the Azov because of the neo-Nazi connections, however�extreme-right ideology doesn�t bother him. What does irk him, however, is being around fighters who are not zealous in their religious convictions.

In the same piece, Chorny invoked the violently antisemitic Crusades of the Middle Ages to describe Bratstvo�s ideological foundation:

The enemy�the forces of darkness�they have all the weapons, they have greater numbers, they have money. But our soldiers are the bringers of European traditions and the Christian mindset of the 13th century.

To circumvent the Times� exultant narrative, one has to do a certain amount of supplementary research and analysis. But even the most basic inquiry�searching �Bratstvo battalion� on Google�reveals the far-right underpinnings of the unit with which the Times embedded its reporters.

The seventh search result is a June 2022 study from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, which reported, �Another such far-right entity is the so-called Brotherhood (Bratstvo) �battalion,� which includes Belarusian, Danish, Irish and Canadian members.�

The ninth result is an article from the Washington Free Beacon (4/6/22), which quoted a far-right Canadian volunteer as saying on Telegram that he was �fighting in the neo-Nazi �Bratstvo� Battalion in Kyiv.�

SS memorabilia

The New York Times (11/21/22) captioned this photo, �Members of the Bratstvo battalion�s special forces unit prayed together before going on a night operation.�

In a world where journalists actually practiced what they preached, someone at the paper of record surely would have noticed the Nazi insignia appearing in two photos in the piece. In this world, however, the Times either forgot how to use the zoom function�though the paper made extensive use of this capability when reporting on China�s Communist Party Congress the month before (FAIR.org, 11/11/22)�or they simply did not want to report on this ugly and inconvenient discovery.

One soldier is seen wearing an emblem known as a �Totenkopf� in a photo of Bratstvo�s prayer circle. The Totenkopf, which means �death�s head� in German, was used as an insignia by the Totenkopfverbande�an SS unit that participated in Hitler�s war of annihilation against the Soviet Union, and guarded the concentration camps where Nazi Germany condemned millions of Jewish men, women and children to death.

Individuals donning the Totenkopf also took part in the murder of millions of others in these camps, including Soviet prisoners of war, political dissidents, trade unionists, persons with disabilities, homosexuals and Romani people.

In September, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy posted�and then quietly deleted�a picture on social media of himself with a number of soldiers, one of whom was wearing a Totenkopf patch similar to that seen in the Times� photo of Bratstvo�s prayer meeting. One can easily find this particular iteration on Amazon or eBay.

Later in the Times article, another photograph of a soldier wearing a slightly different version of the insignia appeared. Here, bathed in the light of an interior room and staring out from the very center of the image, the Totenkopf is even harder to miss. Amazon�s product description for this specific variant reads, �This gorgeous replica piece takes you back to World War II.�

If the Times simply failed to identify the Totenkopf in two separate photos�both of which were taken by a Times photographer while he was embedded with Bratstvo, and were then featured prominently in the article�that would certainly amount to a journalistic failure.

The alternative scenario is that the Times did recognize the SS memorabilia worn by the soldiers they chose to embed with, and decided to publish the images anyway without commenting on the matter.

Please remind the New York Times to clearly identify neo-Nazi forces when they appear in coverage, and to refrain from depicting such movements as heroes.

the nyt found more nazis to be friends with

# ? Dec 3, 2022 08:14

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1598792010764541952

unnamed us official strikes again

Btw I wish this were the "phoniest, most PR-intensive proxy war of all time," but we're a long way away from that I'm afraid.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 08:21

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Danann posted:

https://fair.org/home/action-alert-nyt-has-found-new-neo-nazi-troops-to-lionize-in-ukraine/ - pictures in the link

the nyt found more nazis to be friends with

I can't wait to see the Ukraine version of Saving Private Ryan only with a sympathetic POV of Azov.

I don't know slav names well enough to make up a new title so I'll leave that to the experts.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 08:31

speng31b: May 8, 2010

DancingShade posted:

I can't wait to see the Ukraine version of Saving Private Ryan only with a sympathetic POV of Azov.

I don't know slav names well enough to make up a new title so I'll leave that to the experts.

they are 100% going to do an alamo type myth with the azovstal steel factory

# ? Dec 3, 2022 08:38

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

speng31b posted:

they are 100% going to do an alamo type myth with the azovstal steel factory

I don't care if its completely bullshit propaganda, it's a great story for an action movie and I'd happily watch it for enjoyment so long as they make a good product.

Consume.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 08:40

Corky Romanovsky: Oct 1, 2006; Soiled Meat

no nazi glorification for me, thx

# ? Dec 3, 2022 08:51

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Corky Romanovsky posted:

no nazi glorification for me, thx

They're only nazis if their political headquarters is in the region of Bavaria. Otherwise they're just sparkling nationalists.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 09:02

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Corky Romanovsky posted:

no nazi glorification for me, thx

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# ? Dec 3, 2022 09:02

speng31b: May 8, 2010

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# ? Dec 3, 2022 09:03

speng31b: May 8, 2010

that is the genre of nazi that must be glorified

# ? Dec 3, 2022 09:05

speng31b: May 8, 2010

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# ? Dec 3, 2022 09:06

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Alex Jones asked Kanye during the Nazi interview if he was a fan of Azov as well. Kanye had no idea what Azov was and started talking about the ADL.

Most Americans really don't care about Ukraine still.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 09:12

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Atrocious Joe posted:

Alex Jones asked Kanye during the Nazi interview if he was a fan of Azov as well. Kanye had no idea what Azov was and started talking about the ADL.

Most Americans really don't care about Ukraine still.

Title: Zoomers can't add & don't know where they live │Tiktok Cringe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtPjZVHxqo

# ? Dec 3, 2022 09:28

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

The average young american not only doesn't know where Ukraine or Russia is, they don't even know where they are, right now.

Perfectly conditioned and highly expendible useful idiots.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 09:31

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

DancingShade posted:

The average young american not only doesn't know where Ukraine or Russia is, they don't even know where they are, right now.

Perfectly conditioned and highly expendible useful idiots.

Yeah, once Ukraine-mania fell off during the summer, it seems the war has remained out of sight and out of mind. That said, I don't think it really changes anything.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 09:45

OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Southpaugh posted:

I basically took it to mean that american capitalists have maneuvered the european green movement into self defeating and untenable political and economic policies. Shuttering nuclear plants etc.

Unconditional faith in this instance is the suicidal trust that the euros have in their american allies, that america still has their best interests at heart and they aren't in fact an economically subjugated neo-colony. The old world is europe the new world is america.

I also took it to mean the emptiness of the talk of how Europe would make massive investments into renewables now that it wouldn't buy Russian petroleum. Because:

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1598292311938830337?s=20&t=OFOVC2U970VfCryA194cDA

# ? Dec 3, 2022 10:07

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DancingShade posted:

Title: Zoomers can't add & don't know where they live │Tiktok Cringe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtPjZVHxqo

please tell me you don't actually watch this kind of content

# ? Dec 3, 2022 10:27

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

January 6 Survivor posted:

please tell me you don't actually watch this kind of content

Okay I won't tell you.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 10:30

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

DancingShade posted:

Title: Zoomers can't add & don't know where they live │Tiktok Cringe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtPjZVHxqo

This feels a little staged op�

# ? Dec 3, 2022 11:00

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Majorian posted:

This feels a little staged op�

is it surprising the youths find nothing adds up in a world so divided?

# ? Dec 3, 2022 11:02

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Southpaugh posted:

I basically took it to mean that american capitalists have maneuvered the european green movement into self defeating and untenable political and economic policies. Shuttering nuclear plants etc.

Unconditional faith in this instance is the suicidal trust that the euros have in their american allies, that america still has their best interests at heart and they aren't in fact an economically subjugated neo-colony. The old world is europe the new world is america.

I think you need to keep in mind who�s writing the tweet in question. This isn�t someone who is publicly in favor of a green agenda that�s actually effective, and wants Russia clear out the Western European CIA-funded Green Parties for that purpose. It�s someone who works for a petrostate. She�s not against an ineffective green agenda; she�s against any green agenda, because she is paid to do so. Just like the spokespeople for the US government.

e: more to the point, if you want the real culprit behind the demise of the European green movement, look no further than cheap petroleum and natural gas prices.

Majorian has issued a correction as of 11:19 on Dec 3, 2022

# ? Dec 3, 2022 11:08

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Majorian posted:

I think you need to keep in mind who�s writing the tweet in question. This isn�t someone who is publicly in favor of a green agenda that�s actually effective, and wants Russia clear out the Western European CIA-funded Green Parties for that purpose. It�s someone who works for a petrostate. She�s not against an ineffective green agenda; she�s against any green agenda, because she is paid to do so. Just like the spokespeople for the US government.

e: more to the point, if you want the real culprit behind the demise of the European green movement, look no further than cheap petroleum and natural gas prices.

Mmm. Hmm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

# ? Dec 3, 2022 11:30

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, once Ukraine-mania fell off during the summer, it seems the war has remained out of sight and out of mind. That said, I don't think it really changes anything.

There's still lots of bloodthirsty comments getting posted on news websites but I've not heard anyone in the real world mention Ukraine for months. I do wonder how many of those posts can be directly sourced to western intelligence operations doing their bit to guide the narrative.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 12:25

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Pistol_Pete posted:

There's still lots of bloodthirsty comments getting posted on news websites but I've not heard anyone in the real world mention Ukraine for months. I do wonder how many of those posts can be directly sourced to western intelligence operations doing their bit to guide the narrative.

Look into your heart and you already know the answer.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 12:27

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Pistol_Pete posted:

There's still lots of bloodthirsty comments getting posted on news websites but I've not heard anyone in the real world mention Ukraine for months. I do wonder how many of those posts can be directly sourced to western intelligence operations doing their bit to guide the narrative.

Admittedly, I do think there is a small but very very vocal group of people in the West (especially the US/UK) that are genuinely going nuts over it, who knows about Twitter likes/Reddit hits. Otherwise, I swear 97% of the rest of the population couldn't care one bit. Admittedly, most people are just working to survive and are fearful of the lights/heating going out, it is how the system is designed.

# ? Dec 3, 2022 13:02

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/sopjap/status/1598565651651891201?cxt=HHwWgsDQjbO_n68sAAAA

# ? Dec 3, 2022 13:18

evilmiera: Dec 14, 2009; Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

OhFunny posted:

I also took it to mean the emptiness of the talk of how Europe would make massive investments into renewables now that it wouldn't buy Russian petroleum. Because:

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1598292311938830337?s=20&t=OFOVC2U970VfCryA194cDA

Weird, I'd heard of several turbines being built for semi-large sums. Not as much as is needed, but still a bunch.

https://windeurope.org/newsroom/press-releases/europe-invested-41-bn-euros-in-new-wind-farms-in-2021/

But yeah they absolutely need more. Locally, the reason more isn't being built is down to rightwingers blocking it in favor of the pipedream of swiftly built nuke plants, and a bunch of landowners complaining about wind power ruining their development projects.

Edit: Having read the article you posted, the issue did fall under the second one, permitting obstacles.

Practically everyone wants more wind power except the rich funnily enough.

evilmiera has issued a correction as of 13:40 on Dec 3, 2022

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