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It actually now appears that they didn’t get hacked (or “hacked”) at all. The thing that was reported as a hack was the Bahamas authorities seizing money.
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Plorkyeran posted:The thing that was reported as a hack was the Bahamas authorities seizing money. Huh. Are the Bahamas known for clean politics or are they basically corrupt? Wanna know if I can still call this a hack, just a legal one instead of a technical one Also given chatgpt can find security bugs (difficult without both expertise and a careful focus) in smart contracts code (new field, relatively few examples of these kinds of vulnerabilities), I am once again concerned about AI destroying tech jobs. Given we now have proof of concepts for automating small but expert level tasks, I am not sure we'll need more than a couple years before we see stuff that can automate task aggregation and prioritization, sending 90% of developers into perma unemployment. Automation is great for decreasing the price of goods and making the pie bigger but our share of the pie depends also on how much we can successfully demand relative to what we put on the table. If 90% of us can't put anything on the table anymore then we ain't getting any part of the pie no matter how big that pie grows. We've seen this for decades as the pie grows but workers get less of it, as corporate profits outpace employee compensation. Even if you think it's extremely unlikely, how might one hedge against the remote possibility that knowledge workers aren't really needed within 2-10 years? Only way I can think of continuing to get a piece of the growing pie is to try to own the table. I.e., own assets. That kind of blows for people who can't get good jobs and people who gambled away their entire retirement right before the good jobs disappear. 
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oliveoil posted:Huh. Are the Bahamas known for clean politics or are they basically corrupt? I can't answer this definitively but they are a small island government so probably were happy to cooperate with the guy to get him out of there and get their banking industry out of the news and not attached to his name. 1/3rd of bahamas GDP is financial services (tourism is bigger, obviously) and they have a huge offshore banking industry. When switzerland stopped offering anonymous bank accounts bahamas and panama stepped up to fill that role. Having a giant crypto collapse happen on their soil was a huge black eye to their already sketchy offshore Caribbean banking system. Dr. Nick from the simpsons famously got his medical degree from a school in the Caribbean. The bahamas is one of those places you go where you need an official sign off, but it doesn't matter where the sign-off came from (like registering 1,000 ft long, 20,000hp ocean-going container ships) 
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The fact that I remember that Dr. Nick went to “Hollywood Upstairs Medical College” instead of remembering Dijkstra’s algorithm is probably why I’ll never make it to figgyland.
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figgieland is not a state of mind its a place you can buy plane tickets to. less than 250 bux if youre in the continental us or have them bought for you realistically if you touch puter
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bob dobbs is dead posted:figgieland is not a state of mind its a place you can buy plane tickets to. less than 250 bux if youre in the continental us If I'd understood this fact when I was 20 I would have gone in to debt to do so; if I could redo my 20s this would be step 1 There was a cashier at a sf safeway I was convinced I could get him into a front end design or programming job if only he'd sign up for the boot camp
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oliveoil posted:Huh. Are the Bahamas known for clean politics or are they basically corrupt? Where are these proofs of concepts?
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downout posted:Where are these proofs of concepts? Not sure if I'm attaching this file correctly
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oliveoil posted:Not sure if I'm attaching this file correctly See also https://imgur.com/a/5ccpSND
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I normally have a rule not to respond to oliveoil but the whole ChatGPT discourse thing has been winding me up all day on twitter. It looks like a cool tool I can maybe use instead of going to StackOverflow. But if you scratch the surface even slightly, its returning lots of completely incorrect code, I suppose just like stackoverflow does. Probably because its compiling answers from sources like stack overflow..... Seriously, a LOT of these twitter threads hyping these answers aren't actually properly inspecting the answers, they seem amazed it can answer a leetcode question not thinking that those answers are able to be looked up easily. Then ask it some basic stuff about a slightly less popular language and it starts just making up properties that don't exist. Its completely unreliable. It even fucks up basic maths questions. https://twitter.com/Banjoe__/status/1598890398369599488 https://twitter.com/vogon/status/1598334517647134720 https://twitter.com/vogon/status/1598351142450520064 https://twitter.com/SergeyI49013776/status/1598430519619887117 https://twitter.com/UbiUbiquitous/status/1598968584818298882
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Even if it's 99% poo poo, it's been proven possible now and the rest of the way is just iteration. Compare the lovely AI image generators DALL-E to the new ones. It proves the technology is possible but it looks useless so people think they have a good ten years till AI replaces them... and then DALL-E 2 comes along the following year. So fine. Chatgpt is useless for now. But next year? The year after that? oliveoil fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Dec 3, 2022 |
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oliveoil posted:Even if it's 99% poo poo, it's been proven possible now and the rest of the way is just iteration. That's not how this works at all. Please learn something about AI and don't just absorb breathless hype.
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ultrafilter posted:That's not how this works at all. Please learn something about AI and don't just absorb breathless hype. Compare DALLE to DALLE 2.
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ultrafilter posted:That's not how this works at all. Please learn something about AI and don't just absorb breathless hype. this is an actual teachable lesson for people who actually learn things (eg: not oliveoil): like 40% of learning to AI research is dealing with idiot's bullshit and seeing through demo bullshit. it comes from the most famous peeps, remember capsule nets?
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oliveoil posted:Compare DALLE to DALLE 2. When can we compare you to oliveoil 2?
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AI is just around the corner boys! Doesn’t matter that we have no functional model or theory of human consciousness. I’m sure if we just blindly throw more compute, linear algebra and grit at it we’ll get there. Just give it another, uh, ten years or so.
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oliveoil posted:Even if it's 99% poo poo, it's been proven possible now and the rest of the way is just iteration. Elon Musk in 2016 posted:I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem ... I think we are probably less than two years away.
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Mega Comrade posted:I normally have a rule not to respond to oliveoil but the whole ChatGPT discourse thing has been winding me up all day on twitter.
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Have we considered that oliveoil might be Chatgpt2?
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I have developed a system that will predict the outcome of a coin toss. It is 50% accurate, but I believe 100% accuracy is around the corner. People ask me how I achieve such speed and ingenuity, and the answer is that I have an unrelenting focus on results, while the competition gets tied up in some sort of "fundamental understanding" which I suspect does not actually exist because nobody can explain it to me. Instead I've abstracted AI to a "black box" model of "stuff goes in" and "stuff comes out". When understood at this level, my enlightened mind can see that any stuff can come out of an artificial intelligence. Within two years, I believe we will have reached the point where an understanding of "principals" or "correct application of tools" will be shows as an academic scam, and true creativity comes from AI copying existing results. Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
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StumblyWumbly posted:I have developed a system that will predict the outcome of a coin toss. It is 50% accurate, but I believe 100% accuracy is around the corner. diaconis has unfortunately beaten the living poo poo out of you 51% bro https://statweb.stanford.edu/~cgates/PERSI/papers/dyn_coin_07.pdf
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bob dobbs is dead posted:diaconis has unfortunately beaten the living poo poo out of you TLDR: That paper's Conclusion posted:If we have this much trouble analyzing a common coin toss, the reader can imagine the difficulty we have with interpreting typical stochastic assumptions in an econometric analysis.
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diaconis is also a world-class magician who paid for undergrad after dropping out of middle school by cardsharping and hustling riverboat gamblers and can and did practice every day for 30 minutes for 15 years to get that 50% to a 90% heads so the real lesson here is don't gamble with that guy or he'll hustle you
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Call me a cynic, but the thing about AI-generated content is that in order to put people out of jobs, the results don't have to be right, they just have to look right.
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I’m going to give a standard answer: It’s not going to put programmers out of jobs, but it may change the types of jobs we do. And honestly, good.
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I am gonna use it to write PR comment replies, so I don't have to fix poo poo 
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I've been messing with the chat thing and asking it to make me embedded c modules that I've worked on recently professionally, and if I guide it towards adding the features I want it does surprisingly well. I'm honestly shocked, I didn't think it would be anywhere near this good. It isn't perfect by any means and it is poo poo at devising an implementation strategy on its own but if it could work with an ide it's probably saleable. It knew some protocol details of canbus isotp, but also made subtle errors with constants. It felt a little like reviewing a student's code. I could ask it to refactor or tell it mistakes and it would fix them. Overall very impressive, especially for something chat tuned.
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taqueso posted:It felt a little like reviewing a student's code. I could ask it to refactor or tell it mistakes and it would fix them. Back to the drawing board, CS undergrad course instructors!
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taqueso posted:if it could work with an ide it's probably saleable. This is where I think this technology is headed. We've already seen it starting with Microsoft's intellicode. Anything that allows me to write less boilerplate is welcome. Vulture Culture posted:Call me a cynic, but the thing about AI-generated content is that in order to put people out of jobs, the results don't have to be right, they just have to look right. If it takes our jobs then for certain it's taken most other peoples jobs too by that point. And by then society out of necessity will be doing some kind of universal basic income. So I finally get to enjoy my hobbies. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Dec 4, 2022 |
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Mega Comrade posted:This is where I think this technology is headed. We've already seen it starting with Microsoft's intellicode. Anything that allows me to write less boilerplate is welcome. You'd like that to be true, but instead I present shantytowns and widespread homelessness.
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 A lot of European countries including my own are already running trials at the moment.
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All the programmers at the Two Sum factory are in shambles. I want to play a horrible game with stable diffusion art and chat bot programming and voice lines.
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Mega Comrade posted:This is where I think this technology is headed. We've already seen it starting with Microsoft's intellicode. Anything that allows me to write less boilerplate is welcome.
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Vulture Culture posted:Imagine a society where everything is done catastrophically wrong, but nobody even knows who to talk to to fix something Seems my employer's been on the AI bandwagon for a long time!
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cum jabbar posted:Seems my employer's been on the AI bandwagon for a long time!
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leper khan posted:You'd like that to be true, but instead I present shantytowns and widespread homelessness. Yeah I expect a bunch of this first, although I come at it with a very naive "Communism 101" level of comprehension. I kind of thought the destabilization that industrialization caused would pale in comparison to post-scarcity kind of destabilizations. We could have perfect replicators but some assholes will try their damndest to hold on to them and everything else out of spite and inflated superiority. I'd like to think the day programmers are obsolete is the day we've hit some post-scarcity singularity, but there's probably another hundred years of terrible struggle afterwards. We can talk more about it in our cardboard mud huts in a decade or two. awesomeolion posted:All the programmers at the Two Sum factory are in shambles. I saw something on YouTube where they claimed an AI wrote a Phoenix Wright script. It was surreal.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I saw something on YouTube where they claimed an AI wrote a Phoenix Wright script. It was surreal.
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Mega Comrade posted:If it takes our jobs then for certain it's taken most other peoples jobs too by that point. And by then society out of necessity will be doing some kind of universal basic income. So I finally get to enjoy my hobbies. And then you sit down to read a book and your reading glasses break. It's just not fair!
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I asked ChatGPT to write me a sentiment analysis program in Java and it came up with a working solution that scored input based on instances of words from two lists of positive and negative words, respectively. A banal solution, sure, and probably just copied wholesale from somewhere, but I know companies that make plenty of money selling services not much more complicated than that. It's definite progress.
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lifg posted:I’m going to give a standard answer: It’s not going to put programmers out of jobs, but it may change the types of jobs we do. There will still be jobs, potentially even completely new types of jobs, but there's no guarantee that most programmers will have any aptitute, or obvious path to those jobs.
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