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InediblePenguin posted:Just like every other "police crime forensics" just with an extra side of dehumanizing the accused on a fundamental level! The really insidious thing is that shows like Law and Order (which the creator set out deliberately to frame a specific view of police and lawyers) have affected cops and lawyers views of their jobs, let that one sink in. 
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BattyKiara posted:Do these body language specialists even get that different cultures have very different "correct" reactions? The US carceral system can’t even be bothered with understanding differences in Language language across dialects, much less body languages across cultures. Imagine having the world calling you “brutally ignorant” because you didn’t speak Oxford English during hours of testimony about hearing your best friend get murdered by a neighborhood vigilante. George Zimmerman trial: No one can agree on Rachel Jeantel
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Here in Greece when a crime happens we have straight up phrenologists on TV analyzing the perpetrators face and skull.
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Busket Posket posted:The US carceral system can’t even be bothered with understanding differences in Language language across dialects, much less body languages across cultures. Wow, that one example "Get me a lawyer, dawg" "Lol what's a lawyer dog?  "God drat go gently caress yourseeeeeelf, come on. That was a vicious weaponized "misinterpretation"
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Brawnfire posted:Wow, that one example yes that's why it was upheld as totally fine and just by the legal system that did it in the first place
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Kitfox88 posted:yes that's why it was upheld as totally fine and just by the legal system that did it in the first place He didn't say "get me a lawyer, dawg," and the court didn't rule that he was affirmatively asking for a "lawyer dawg" instead of a "lawyer, dog." He said "“This is how I feel, if y’all think I did it, I know that I didn’t do it so why don’t you just give me a lawyer dog ’cause this is not what’s up." The court ruled that he wasn't affirmatively asking for a lawyer, because it was a "if..." statement conditional on the beliefs of the cops. The fact that he said "lawyer dawg" instead of "lawyer" didn't enter into the court's analysis at all. Meanwhile, LA Magazine runs an article on how tough this wealthy white woman's life has been since she got drunk, raced her car, and killed two kids: https://twitter.com/JoannaMang/status/1595443241884651520  Exonerative tense isn't just for cops anymore! Phanatic has a new favorite as of 18:57 on Nov 25, 2022 |
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"A frisky game of cat and mouse" that kills two children Jesus Christ what a loving morally bankrupt article.
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Phanatic posted:He didn't say "get me a lawyer, dawg," and the court didn't rule that he was affirmatively asking for a "lawyer dawg" instead of a "lawyer, dog." You’re right in that the court did rule that it was phrased too ambiguously to count as a request for counsel, but a Louisiana Supreme Court Justice also unambiguously mocked his request for a “lawyer dog” because the transcription of the interrogation didn’t bother punctuating accurately. “In my view, the defendant’s ambiguous and equivocal reference to a ‘lawyer dog’ does not constitute an invocation of counsel that warrants termination of the interview.” So part of the “ambiguity” was the feigned ignorance of what the suspect meant, and then relying on the bonkers interpretation that he couldn’t have been making a rational request because the State of Louisiana can’t assign anyone lawyer dogs. Like when you ask, “Can I have a sandwich, Dad?” and your dad replies “We don’t have any Sandwich Dads here, just regular sandwiches!” Except if that dad joke ruined the rest of your life.
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I quit watching true crime poo poo on YouTube as soon as they started leaning hard into that body language/etc bullshit. I'd love to find some rich guy that happens to be a scientist and get him to study and disprove all that crap and litigate it into oblivion.
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Why did I rabbit hole into Wikipedia enough to run into food contamination incidents? Probably so I could learn about the Disgusting Domino’s People scandal… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgusting_Domino%27s_People The Domino's incident was not Kristy Hammonds' first legal trouble. In 2006, she was arrested by the Alexander County Sheriff's Office and charged with three counts of statutory rape in 2006 for sexually abusing a 14-year-old girl for four months; in June 2008, she pleaded guilty for a misdemeanor sexual battery, facing a 60-day jail sentence, a sex offender registry, a $1,941 fine, two years of probation, and not being allowed to be near anyone under 16 except her children. She also was previously charged with possessing stolen property and breaking into a vending machine. Months after the Youtube Domino's controversy garnered publicity, she was attending Wilkes Community College to become a certified medical assistant before being expelled on August 31, 2009 under Jessica's Law, which prohibits registered sex offenders from occupying institutions running programs with minors. […] Setzer entered an Alford plea on March 9, 2010, sentencing him to six months in jail and requiring him to be under supervised probation for exactly two years, pay a $1,000 court fee, and stay away from Hammonds and any Domino's restaurant. Stated Clark, "[Setzer] admits it was a childish, immature, stupid, stupid thing to do. He says while the food was never sent out, it was probably a bad idea to make a video of it." On November 19, 2010, Hammonds pled guilty for a reduced 45-day suspended sentence, 18 months probation, 200 community service hours, attorney fees of $1,125, and prohibition from working at any place selling food or drinks; she also was required to submit videos of the incident to police and not talk about anything related to the case publicly. The judge making this decision, Richard Boner, said during the court sessions "The scary thing is, this goes on in other places that you don't know about, and it makes you wonder what you're getting." Haha, the Honorable Dick Boner. Awesome username. I’ll do us all a favor and not link the Japan Air Lines food poisoning incident, that’s up to you to search for on your own 
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https://toofab.com/2022/12/01/10-year-old-shot-mom-amazon-order-vr/ Evil Child "The boy -- who will be charged as an adult -- reportedly ordered himself a VR set on his mom's Amazon account the morning after her death." He just wanted a 500 dollar Oculus, mom! You beeyatch!
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Amazing year for cold cases, they've announced the child from the Boy in the Box case has been identified. Unfortunately I think this far on his parents have probably passed but perhaps he has some siblings that this will give some closure. I don't believe they've announced the ID yet.
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Le Faye Morgaine posted:https://toofab.com/2022/12/01/10-year-old-shot-mom-amazon-order-vr/ So I have a coworker that has messed up her kid a ton, medicates the poo poo out of him, and he's just a general mess. He's tried to order expensive stuff with her card and it's crossed my mind that she should be very careful around him. Scathach has a new favorite as of 05:30 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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Sarcopenia posted:Jesus christ. I loving hate this body language, speech analysis bullshit you gotta be rushed and panicked while also being clear and structured at the same time, nice
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Le Faye Morgaine posted:https://toofab.com/2022/12/01/10-year-old-shot-mom-amazon-order-vr/ A ten year old killing their mom for an Oculus is unnervning, so is charging a ten year old as an adult. This world really is sick on all levels.
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3 First Nations women, 1 unidentified woman were victims of alleged serial killer: Winnipeg police “Police wouldn't speak to a possible motive in the crimes Skibicki is accused of. Smyth also wouldn't say whether police believe Indigenous women were targeted. Earlier this year, CBC reviewed posts on a Facebook page linked to Skibicki, dated before his May arrest, which was rife with violent sentiments, as well as antisemitic, misogynistic and white supremacist material. In his Facebook bio, Skibicki described himself as an ‘official member of 'Holy Europe,’ which is a small faction of a broader far-right movement…” 🤔 Why would a hardcore white supremacist misogynist target indigenous women??? It just doesn’t make sense…
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uranium grass posted:Amazing year for cold cases, they've announced the child from the Boy in the Box case has been identified. Unfortunately I think this far on his parents have probably passed but perhaps he has some siblings that this will give some closure. I don't believe they've announced the ID yet. Next week. quote:"The investigation will start all over again and then we'll start searching for a suspect," he said. If the boy was from a prominent family, that immediately makes me think that for him to be dumped like that, that he was either mentally challenged or was born to a pregnancy that the family didn't want to acknowledge for other reasons. Special education really didn't take off until the 1960s and it was even longer before many families kept a special ed child in the household as a regular member of the family.
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I mean the Kennedys had Rosemary lobotomized in the 40s because she was a rough person and when it left her crippled they just chucked her in an institution and forgot about her for 20 years, so it's hardly a stretch to imagine that, yeah.
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Kitfox88 posted:I mean the Kennedys had Rosemary lobotomized in the 40s because she was a rough person and when it left her crippled they just chucked her in an institution and forgot about her for 20 years, so it's hardly a stretch to imagine that, yeah. That's an extremely unnerving story to me. The idea of talking to someone & suddenly becoming incoherent as they're cutting into my skull is a terrifying prospect, and that's not even considering the idea of being abandoned in an institution by my family.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Next week. Putting the kid in an institution would have been one (bad) thing, but there were signs of ongoing abuse on his body. And an institution wouldn't have tossed him out on the highway in a refrigerator box.
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YeahTubaMike posted:That's an extremely unnerving story to me. The idea of talking to someone & suddenly becoming incoherent as they're cutting into my skull is a terrifying prospect, and that's not even considering the idea of being abandoned in an institution by my family. Yeah, brain troubles are a primal terror of mine and watching my stepdad go from being an outgoing cheerful dude who helped keep me going when I was suicidal to a lump on the couch who doesn't even know what day it is hasn't helped with that. 
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Busket Posket posted:3 First Nations women, 1 unidentified woman were victims of alleged serial killer: Winnipeg police Canada has been getting hit hard with difficult truths about residential schools and MMIW(g2s) stories getting just the smallest amount of coverage. This is the harsh reality of all indigenous communities on this continent and elsewhere. Thanks for posting and giving it some attention. I believe this is the second known person (I think) targeting indigenous women in Canada this year or in recent years. This is also to say nothing of Canada's "Highway of Tears" that gets very little attention. Sadly, suffering of native communities is still swept under the rug or downplayed as much as possible.
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Kitfox88 posted:Yeah, brain troubles are a primal terror of mine and watching my stepdad go from being an outgoing cheerful dude who helped keep me going when I was suicidal to a lump on the couch who doesn't even know what day it is hasn't helped with that. That sounds like an awful thing to witness. As far as brain issues go, thankfully my family doesn't seem to lose their mental capacities as they get older, but at the same time 1) I'm not familiar with my father's side of the family or their genetic predispositions, and 2) I'm the only person on my mother's side of the family who has epilepsy so who the hell knows.
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Issei Sagawa finally died. He was the exchange student in France who got away with killing, raping, and cannibalizing a fellow student. Even the Wikipedia article went a bit too in depth with his actions so be careful if you look up his case.
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Kitfox88 posted:I mean the Kennedys had Rosemary lobotomized in the 40s because she was a rough person… If there was a just god that entire family would be roasting in hell for eternity, just for this, not to mention Martha Moxley, Mary Jo Kopechne, Mimi Alford, and I’m sure a lot more I don’t recall off the top of my head.
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YeahTubaMike posted:That's an extremely unnerving story to me. The idea of talking to someone & suddenly becoming incoherent as they're cutting into my skull is a terrifying prospect, and that's not even considering the idea of being abandoned in an institution by my family. I guess one tiny silver lining is that we got the Special Olympics out of it. It would be better if we got the Special Olympics without some poor girl getting her brains scrambled because she liked boys. This Idaho quadruple murder is pretty nuts. Seems like there is tons of theories and wild speculations and the police are shooting down mlst lf them. https://abc7chicago.com/university-of-idaho-murders-4-students-murdered-in-moscow/12521695/ How do 4 people getted stabbed in the same house and no one hears anything
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Your Gay Uncle posted:This Idaho quadruple murder is pretty nuts. Seems like there is tons of theories and wild speculations and the police are shooting down mlst lf them. I’d assume they’d screen the victims for drugs/alcohol - seems like the only way you could manage to stab four people to death without anyone realizing or being able to act on what’s happening.
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YeahTubaMike posted:That sounds like an awful thing to witness. As far as brain issues go, thankfully my family doesn't seem to lose their mental capacities as they get older, but at the same time 1) I'm not familiar with my father's side of the family or their genetic predispositions, and 2) I'm the only person on my mother's side of the family who has epilepsy so who the hell knows. His was a case of brain cancer and the treatment doing a one two punch, sadly. Luckily the worst long term thing I have to worry about given my immediate family members is insanely bad arthritis (talking 40ish degree bend at the first finger joint on my pap's pointer) but no heart stuff or brain stuff thank god. Remulak posted:She was not ‘rough’ she was a normal girl, not an uptight catholic proto-nun. Women can only be chaste virgins or gross whores you can kill when you tire of them. Oh no, she wanted to date boys and have fun! Let’s cut out her brain! By today's standards she wouldn't be the least bit out of the ordinary, yeah, but at the time it was TOTALLY unbecoming of a PROPER LADY from an UPRIGHT FAMILY is what I meant and phrased really poorly. Every political and industrial dynasty is a loving nightmare conglomerate of awful actions and ducked repercussions and they all should be in a loving hole in the ground, basically.
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She allegedly did have some developmental issues (according to her school, she was reading and writing at a 4th-grade level when she was 15), possibly due to some complications from her birth. Still, IIRC there's been some skepticism, and nothing justifies the lobotomy.
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Droogie posted:Sadly, suffering of native communities is still swept under the rug or downplayed as much as possible. It gave me the mix of “hey good job fuckin’ finally reporting on the unfettered slaughter of indigenous women” and “okay busket calm down, they’re taking this seriously in a major news outlet so it could get more attention finally” and “seriously acab when cops can go in front of the press and say something like ‘we can’t be sure the killer was targeting Native women’ when they’ve been killing only Native women”. One small step toward more awareness
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Droogie posted:I believe this is the second known person (I think) targeting indigenous women in Canada this year or in recent years. What's up with this? I've seen maybe three or four articles with headlines saying this is the second killer targeting indigenous sex workers in Canada, but listening to enough true crime podcasts seem point to like a ton of them. Indigenous sex workers are really common victims. I get that the cops don't count them, but drat. I can't remember the full quote, but i heard "in America, killing a black sex worker is like killing a ghost".
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Blackfish posted:Issei Sagawa finally died. He was the exchange student in France who got away with killing, raping, and cannibalizing a fellow student. Even the Wikipedia article went a bit too in depth with his actions so be careful if you look up his case. Good riddance. Fucker coasted on his murdering an innocent person like a celebrity for decades.
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WaywardWoodwose posted:What's up with this? I've seen maybe three or four articles with headlines saying this is the second killer targeting indigenous sex workers in Canada, but listening to enough true crime podcasts seem point to like a ton of them. Watch the Grim Sleeper HBO doc where the LAPD just decided to just assume all the young black women being murdered were all prostitutes and drug users, because that's how they convince themselves the victims brought it upon themselves and therefore they shouldn't do the bare minimum of their job description. "Oh a black girl got shot? Well what was SHE doing?" gently caress 'em
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WaywardWoodwose posted:What's up with this? I've seen maybe three or four articles with headlines saying this is the second killer targeting indigenous sex workers in Canada The headlines appear quietly and disappear quickly, but I'll say that a lot of news articles will write off women as sex workers for the sake of laziness or by way of explaining a reason into the article as to "why" they were murdered by way of moralizing to the reader whether they mean to or not. Were some of these women sex workers? Certainly. But if one in a series was, news stories have a way of painting with the same broad brush. I saw it said recently from an indigenous woman, as I'm indigenous and follow a lot of accounts- don't waste your breath saying they should have a gun or should avoid certain areas or should dress differently. None of it, even the well intentioned parts matter when you are part of a group that is actively being hunted. We have a LOT of similar stories in America, too. But I recently read that in Canada indigenous women account for under 4% of the population but are something like 16%+ the statistics for violent death.
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hellotoothpaste posted:Why did I rabbit hole into Wikipedia enough to run into food contamination incidents? Probably so I could learn about the Disgusting Domino’s People scandal… I know it's Wikipedia, but this article has some of the worst writing I've ever read.
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hellotoothpaste posted:Why did I rabbit hole into Wikipedia enough to run into food contamination incidents? Probably so I could learn about the Disgusting Domino’s People scandal… I would not have guessed that being an accessory to food contamination and raping a child would carry such similar penalties.
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