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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

westerners love jiang zemin because he looked like groyper irl

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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

crepeface posted:

pawns complain about being expendable:

https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1598628282957692928?t=XUja27ZCI0LnfzPPjSvcxw&s=19

sorry for just dumping a million links I'm catching up on poo poo

isn't that just every citizen in us lol

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Would love to brainstorm some new groundbreaking scams and schemes that become possible in a worker owned corporation

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Antonymous posted:

The chinese wiki says you have to buy shares, which started at 1 yuan each, and the amount that are offered to you is based on performance, how long you've been there, etc. each year. It's a bonus system inside the company. When you leave, Huawei buys the shares back for whatever they are 'worth'.

Apparently there was an issue where employees took out loans to buy these shares and Huawei 'illegally fundraised' 27 billion renminbi from their own employees which is a wild scam to run lol

That's really minimal influence on decision making processes for an ESOP.

In other news I wrote my thesis on workplace democracy and you can find companies that are more "worker owned" than what you guys are saying Huawei is doing in the west. From when I looked into it Mondragon in the Basque country is an interesting comparison. Around 90% of Basque employees held shares, but not the 10s of thousands of workers in the rest of Spain, nor the workers of the Polish grocery store chain they acquired, for instance. Mondragon itself is a federation of worker cooperatives. Each cooperative having its own structures and can form divisions and subgroups to collectively take advantage of common services or economies of scale. Furthermore cooperatives were run through a general assembly, which elect a governing council, which in turn appoints executive management, decides on admission of members and distribution of profits.

They did intend to provide workers in the rest of Spain and outside Spain a path to becoming members (aka, owning shares and having voting rights), but that got put on hold for years due to the 2008 financial crisis and I haven't really looked into what happened next since I finished my thesis.

Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 14:03 on Dec 3, 2022

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

crepeface posted:

pawns complain about being expendable:

https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1598628282957692928?t=XUja27ZCI0LnfzPPjSvcxw&s=19

sorry for just dumping a million links I'm catching up on poo poo

Hilarious about the TSMC people moving to the US to find out how utterly awful this country treats all its workers

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

There goes D&D’s favorite excuse for why the US would have to intervene and protect Taiwan in the event of an invasion

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Yeah I kind of agree shattering TSMC into different pieces in US, China and SK basically lower the risk of military unification as well as lower the chance of US military intervension.

This is the intended result of US, not the intended result of DPP.

Mirello
Jan 29, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Tankbuster posted:

I have to say, I never saw a single one.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...1jgSs6KPYhO4PXc

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...1Fj2OsauKxEnDU9

Enjoy

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Truga posted:

isn't that just every citizen in us lol
an expat complaining to their american coworker about grinning and bearing the racist caste system, trailing on about having the same vacation and maternity days as them

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Way to ruin my day!

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
So like how is North Korea doing lately? I was wondering if I could laugh at the prospect of them eventually being a better place to live than the US because of them slowly building themselves up while we tear ourselves apart.

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

Gradenko2k thanks for recommending that podcast on Ngo Dinh Diem

Diem was a man constrained by his class and too loyal to a corrupt bourgeois family. He could take action when needed but the whole mission was doomed

this allusion meant
Apr 9, 2006

thechosenone posted:

So like how is North Korea doing lately? I was wondering if I could laugh at the prospect of them eventually being a better place to live than the US because of them slowly building themselves up while we tear ourselves apart.

poo poo sucks, they were left hanging with maximum pressure sanctions in place after the last talks fell through and then they closed off the little remaining trade when covid started up and that seemed to be working until this year when omicron managed to sneak through. before that the impact of all that stuff was bad enough that kju made a fairly weepy speech about how the economy had underperformed in the previous years. like they are clearly hanging in there but there's not really any end in sight for hard times

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
Well that sucks. I guess it's just a matter of trying to build enough industry to trade with china and wait until they can launder through them to actually have connections to the world again.

We've totally killed more north Koreans and caused them more suffering than their state ever will for the next hundred years at this point, just because we loath that they don't want to be ruled by us.

thechosenone has issued a correction as of 02:48 on Dec 4, 2022

Telluric Whistler
Sep 14, 2008


thechosenone posted:

Well that sucks. I guess it's just a matter of trying to build enough industry to trade with china and wait until they can launder through them to actually have connections to the world again.

We've totally killed more north Koreans and caused them more suffering than their state ever will for the next hundred years at this point, just because we loath that they don't want to be ruled by us.

Just like with Cuba, it's really important to harshly punish the entire nation so that the regime will topple. Any day now. It's coming.

Also no talking to your neighbors and creating trade relations with them because uhh... Globalisation allows for bad regimes to entrench themselves on a throne of cheap goods and/or increased wages - depending on the current economic state of the economy. This is good though if it's good guys.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/KyleTrainEmoji/status/1597791419028373505

quote:

This thread is about the Ferghana Valley railway in Kyrgyzstan and what it says about Chinese foreign and domestic policy 🇰🇬 🇨🇳 🚂 🧵

I think the project proves, as much as a railroad can, the character of Chinese investment in the region.

The western press has spilled a tremendous amount of ink trying to convince you that the PRC has a colonial relationship with its western province of Xinjiang.

But here is what some actual colonial rail systems look like:


With this network you could send gold from Bamako to the coast, but you can’t get to Guinea or Côte d’Ivoire even though they’re right next door.

It was built solely to move resources from the colony to the core (France, UK, &c.) rather than develop the region through commerce.


To refer to graph theory, colonial railroads resemble minimum spanning trees, while railroads in the core or in settler-colonies (see South Africa on the map) look more like complete planar graphs. Cities are connected to each other, not just the coast or the capital.



So it doesn’t make much sense for the PRC to build a complete loop around the Taklamakan Desert in Xinjiang (built earlier this year) if its only purpose were resource extraction. You’d want each city connected to either Urumqi or Turpan (the gateway to the east), not each other.


It’s even less logical to build a railroad from Kashgar to Tashkent. As this helpful article from a DC think tank points out, the Ferghana Valley railway will be LONGER than the existing Turpan-Urumqi-Tashkent line.



In other words, it will yield no real economic benefit to China’s core (Beijing and the east)

(Typically, if a think tank in Washington DC is telling you not to do a thing, that’s a sign that you should seriously consider doing that thing.)

The railroad WILL benefit Kashgar, Uzbekistan and southern Kyrgyzstan, however! It will allow greater commerce between these areas and Tashkent which will develop the entire region. Kashgar will eventually become a transport hub and regional center of commerce

The PRC has already invested a lot in Kyrgyzstan’s development. This year China Eximbank signed a deal to fund a 1000 MW solar farm near Karakol. China has been modernizing electrical infrastructure there for years

In conclusion it seems clear that the PRC wants its neighbors and its minority regions to prosper, and is consciously building the necessary foundation for this to happen. And it’s always better to have happy neighbors. Everyone wins. 🚂

Train thread on how China's BRI investment produces infrastructure with different priorities than that of historical Western infrastructure construction.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Isentropy posted:

Gradenko2k thanks for recommending that podcast on Ngo Dinh Diem

Diem was a man constrained by his class and too loyal to a corrupt bourgeois family. He could take action when needed but the whole mission was doomed

you're very welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.

I don't think Inward Empire has updated in a while, but the other podcast I pivoted to after that one was "In The Shadows of Utopia", which is a Cambodian history podcast.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/KyleTrainEmoji/status/1597791419028373505

Train thread on how China's BRI investment produces infrastructure with different priorities than that of historical Western infrastructure construction.

Good thread.

China also has the super high voltage transmission technology to move electricity from major power plants to the population or industrial centers.

Like the mega dam they are building in Congo now, they will need that technology to sell the power to South Africa. It's basically BRI for electric power.

The Urghur region could have turn out like Kyrgyzstan if South Xinjiang was never unified by China.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Oath in Ferghana was my favorite of the Ys series

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i say swears online posted:

it's group reading time

quote:

A clutch of British universities runs a decadal sexual-health survey called Natsal, one of the biggest in the world. In the most recent survey, completed in 2012, 7.5% of sexually active women reported painful sex, with a quarter having symptoms “very often” or “always” and for at least six months.

this sounds really low to me possibly because the poll has a narrow definition of painful sex but also possibly because the worlds gone to hell in the last ten years lol

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

quote:

Fears of deadly infection surge as China abandons zero-Covid policy

Dramatic U-turn following widespread unrest leaves country ill-prepared for Omicron


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/04/fears-of-deadly-infection-surge-as-china-abandons-zero-covid-policy


"During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence..."

We need a parenti emote

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy


"look what you made me do" but for geopolitics

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

gradenko_2000 posted:



"look what you made me do" but for geopolitics
the only (and probably fairly likely) "out" of this is that the US has to start putting some of its own money to actually make their military presence/boots on land not a joke, and recent decades have shown that Wall Street gets very unhappy when less than roughly 98% of the defense budget is going to their golden failchildren

Anime Schoolgirl has issued a correction as of 22:37 on Dec 4, 2022

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

so we were talking about socialist alternative right?

https://twitter.com/socialistny/status/1599139290851655682

if you’re a dues paying member you have to give money to and promote this :) with some of it going to English trots blogging from Hong Kong :)

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Lmao, it really is just chauvinism repackaged as leftism.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
democratic party of china

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Lmao, it really is just chauvinism repackaged as leftism.

burning deep cover naomi klein to sell obvious imperialist trot outfits

what a complete psyop win for america

Seatbelts
Mar 29, 2010
Is there a good reason the US can't start making semiconductors in America?
A factory uses the Siemens process to pull polysilicon from silicon containing rocks, the polysilicon is melted into into a long ingot and cut into wafers.
Germanium and Gallium-arsenide are commonly available in North America and the refinement process is similar.
Appropriate PPE exists and is also commonly available.

Maybe this is a dumb question

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Seatbelts posted:

Is there a good reason the US can't start making semiconductors in America?
A factory uses the Siemens process to pull polysilicon from silicon containing rocks, the polysilicon is melted into into a long ingot and cut into wafers.
Germanium and Gallium-arsenide are commonly available in North America and the refinement process is similar.
Appropriate PPE exists and is also commonly available.

Maybe this is a dumb question

austin's got a 14nm chipfab but iirc our infrastructure and planning is so bad the whole plant nearly died during the 2021 freeze

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
We do make semiconductors but very small quantities, we are dependent on countries like China for the rest.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

TSMC is building a fab factory in Arizona currently

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Seatbelts posted:

Is there a good reason the US can't start making semiconductors in America?
A factory uses the Siemens process to pull polysilicon from silicon containing rocks, the polysilicon is melted into into a long ingot and cut into wafers.
Germanium and Gallium-arsenide are commonly available in North America and the refinement process is similar.
Appropriate PPE exists and is also commonly available.

Maybe this is a dumb question

it does. Samsung makes semiconductors in Austin

quote:

AUSTIN, Texas —

A [memo](https://www.austintexas.gov/edims/pio/document.cfm?id=375566) sent to the Austin City Council this week says a "large discharge of sulfuric acid waste" from the Samsung semiconductor plant left "virtually no surviving aquatic life" in a local tributary.

The memo from the city's Watershed Protection Department says that over a period as long as 106 days, up to 763,000 gallons of acidic waste reached the stormwater pond on the Samsung property, located at 12100 Samsung Boulevard, in northeast Austin.

That waste also impacted the nearby tributary of Harris Branch Creek -- killing the aquatic life in the tributary.

Sulfuric acidic waste from the Austin Samsung facility has spilled into an unnamed tributary of Harris Branch Creek in northeast Austin, according to a memo sent to the Austin City Council this week. (Source: City's Watershed Protection Department)

The memo states the [Watershed Protection Department](https://www.austintexas.gov/department/watershed-protection) was alerted by the [Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ)](https://www.tceq.texas.gov/) on Tuesday, Jan. 18.

A spokesperson for Austin's Samsung facility told CBS Austin they notified TCEQ and the National Response Center about the spill on Friday, Jan. 14.

"A majority of the wastewater was contained on-site; however, a portion was inadvertently released into an unnamed small tributary that is upstream of Harris Branch Creek," said Samsung's spokesperson Michele Glaze. "We immediately stopped the release, retained a leading environmental engineering company as a partner, and took action to implement a solution to minimize impact to the environment and restore the tributary."

**RELATED: **[Samsung says it will build $17B chip factory in Texas](https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/samsung-expected-to-build-17b-chip-factory-in-texas)

Scientists say despite the tributary being affected temporarily, the water's pH and wildlife at Harris Branch Creek were not impacted. Samsung said they are fully cooperating with WPD and providing daily updates on the remediation process while scientists will be performing weekly surveys to monitor the water quality at the tributary until remediation is complete.

The memo noted the area's access is limited to the public, with no nearby parks nor indications of homeless encampments. However, TCEQ will be looking to see if there are any impacts on human health.

Full statement from Michele Glaze, Head of Communications and Community Affairs at Samsung Austin Semiconductor:

* Samsung Austin Semiconductor is committed to environmental stewardship and recognizes our role in preserving the natural beauty of Central Texas.
* On Jan. 14, we discovered a release of industrial wastewater that entered our stormwater collection pond.
* A majority of the wastewater was contained on-site; however, a portion was inadvertently released into an unnamed small tributary that is upstream of Harris Branch Creek.
* We immediately stopped the release, retained a leading environmental engineering company as a partner and took action to implement a solution to minimize impact to the environment and restore the tributary.
* The ecological impact was a temporary lowering of pH levels in the tributary only - none in the creek.
* The water within the tributary has already returned to normal conditions.
* Harris Branch Creek is confirmed to be unaffected.
* Appropriate agencies were notified and we are fully cooperating with all of them.

https://cbsaustin.com/amp/news/local/sulfuric-acid-waste-from-austin-samsung-facility-spills-into-local-tributary-city-says

Seatbelts
Mar 29, 2010
^^^ oh cool

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

In Training posted:

TSMC is building a fab factory in Arizona currently

intel has 6 fabs there already lol. as do several other companies. supposedly the dry climate is helpful

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
making factories in places the water is running out seems like a good decision

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lol i didn't keep up with the story. that infrastructure shutdown in feb 2021 cost samsung nearly $300 million. way to go texas

https://www.statesman.com/story/business/2021/04/30/austin-fab-shutdown-during-texas-freeze-cost-samsung-millions/4891405001/

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

AnimeIsTrash posted:

making factories in places the water is running out seems like a good decision

it's like finding an acid-ocean planet in dyson sphere program

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
American capitalists sent the chip making to SK and Taiwan because it's actually very expensive to make the chips. TSMC uses something like 12% of Taiwan's electricity output, and the semi industry effectively sucks up all the engineering graduates.

If you keep the majority of the profit in the fabless design and patent stages, then US still get to keep most of the semiconductor profit. So Taiwan becoming a highend fab monopoly was by design. What the capitals didn't expect was how fast TSMC and Samsung advanced the new fabbing process. Or, how fast PLA builds new naval ships.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

You can always just ship more water in when needed. It's other peoples water that's running out, the chip fabs will get theirs.

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

the chip/almond war of 2027

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