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Atrocious Joe posted:that's what the movie is going for yeah I forgot they actually goose step, lol
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Xaris posted:did this movie do well? it seems like it would have went over like a lead balloon in the 1948s: extremely ballsy to do a long rear end movie (for the time), have half the cast be speaking spanish with no subtitles (which would infuriate americans), very cynical moralism, somewhat pro indigenous (a little bit of racism still but far far less than you'd expect for the 40s), and has a very meta cosmic joke for the end that is extremely eggers and would annoy movie watchers. fantastic movie audiences weren't necessarily less adventurous back in the day than now.
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Mantis42 posted:Ran is only somewhat similar to King Lear, while Throne of Blood is an actual adaptation of Macbeth. Both films are way better than the Shakespeare versions, because they have samurai and none of the gay boring dialogue. Apparently that wasn't intentional, Kurosawa showed the early script to a friend who said 'Hey, it's King Lear' and Kurosawa was 'Who?' and then read up on the play and made it a bit more like it, throwing in some quotes. He also apparently has said that the King Lear figure is basically a self-insert. tristeham posted:audiences weren't necessarily less adventurous back in the day than now. Yeah, people do like something a little different sometimes if it's presented well. And I imagine a lot just saw a fun rollicking adventure movie and weren't bothered by the subtext one way or another.
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Mantis42 posted:Ran is only somewhat similar to King Lear, while Throne of Blood is an actual adaptation of Macbeth. Both films are way better than the Shakespeare versions, because they have samurai and none of the gay boring dialogue. tried to watch rashoman with my wife, when they got to the ghost part she thought it was too scary and made me turn it off. sad!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Apparently that wasn't intentional, Kurosawa showed the early script to a friend who said 'Hey, it's King Lear' and Kurosawa was 'Who?' and then read up on the play and made it a bit more like it, throwing in some quotes. not sure i buy it. by that point he already had made 'adaptations' of Macbeth (The Throne of Blood) and Hamlet (The Bad Sleep Well). it doesn't really matter i guess, all those films kick rear end.
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loquacius posted:I've said it before but The Lion King is surprisingly right-wing, even putting aside the monarchism smdh at that chud shakespeare starting this whole mess by writing hamlet the story which the lion king remakes that most definitely has a story element of comparable importance to the hyenas in lion king
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"The Lion King is grossly reactionary and racist" was discourse that formed long before reddit and tumblr. Some people were definitely saying it shortly after it was released.
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Echo Chamber posted:"The Lion King is grossly reactionary and racist" was discourse that formed long before reddit and tumblr. Some people were definitely saying it shortly after it was released. yeah this is another reason why lion king remade hamlet is bullshit from disneys public relations department it will never stop being incredibly loving bizarre to me that people can have serious discussions about whether kurosawas work qualifies as a remake when it substantially changes several major elements while retaining core themes but were all just supposed to accept without question that lion king is a remake of hamlet despite having a completely different narrative structure radically different arcs and only three characters with positions even vaguely resembling those of the hamlet equivalents with all of them having completely different personalities and motivation relative to those equivalents
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to be fair shakespeare should have written whoopi a part. she'd have killed it
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mawarannahr posted:Christine is more interesting than I thought. it’s covering commodity fetishism, identification with and alienation from the product of your labor, and how there are roads loving everywhere so you can have a hard time running away from cars. You are right about all of this and it's also a commentary on the banality of 50s nostalgia and the danger of killer cars. Despite being a big Carpenter fan I waited until this year to watch Christine thinking it was just a gig he took for the money. Even if that was the case, it's great, regardless. The car crumpling effects are unbelievable (had to watch a video on how they did all that) and Keith Gordon does a convincing work in his metamorphosis from loser nerd to cocky prick to car-obsessed psychopath. Love the scenes where he unloads on his parents. Great supporting cast, too. Robert Proskey. Harry Dean Stanton.
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loquacius posted:I've said it before but The Lion King is surprisingly right-wing, even putting aside the monarchism tbf hyenas LOVE to do crime 
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Yeah, even as a kid I thought the insane "everything the light touches is yours (to use, have serve you and then eat)" was deeply hosed up. I never got why people liked it. Rental Sting posted:You are right about all of this and it's also a commentary on the banality of 50s nostalgia and the danger of killer cars. Despite being a big Carpenter fan I waited until this year to watch Christine thinking it was just a gig he took for the money. Even if that was the case, it's great, regardless. The car crumpling effects are unbelievable (had to watch a video on how they did all that) and Keith Gordon does a convincing work in his metamorphosis from loser nerd to cocky prick to car-obsessed psychopath. Love the scenes where he unloads on his parents. Great supporting cast, too. Robert Proskey. Harry Dean Stanton. Yeah, Christine is a really good film. Keith Gordon is a surprisingly good actor for someone who transitioned into directing television. I think he could have had a really solid career.
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What they really stole from is Kimba anyway.
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I also think Christine is good and lion king has racial purity overtones
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Ghost Leviathan posted:What they really stole from is Kimba anyway. no, wrong
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Ghost Leviathan posted:What they really stole from is Kimba anyway. wrong and now you're obligated to watch a 2 hour plus video you fool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5B1mIfQuo4
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Simba should have pretended to be mentally challenged when he comed back from the jungle.
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watching rashomon and loling how in the repulsive bandits version of the story the wife is a badass red sonja figure
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YaketySass posted:Simba should have pretended to be mentally challenged when he comed back from the jungle. the Claudius Gambit
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Filthy Hans posted:the Claudius Gambit I believe he goes by "Scar".
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Some Guy TT posted:smdh at that chud shakespeare starting this whole mess by writing hamlet the story which the lion king remakes that most definitely has a story element of comparable importance to the hyenas in lion king You seem mad, is everything ok
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Anyway, I found the post being referenced and nobody ever called it a "remake" of Hamlet (ITT anyway), the word I used was "ripoff," because it did in fact rip off the main plot hook, even if there isn't a Polonius analogue etc etc etc, now can we please not dig up arguments from six months ago at the slightest provocation please e: I haven't actually seen the anime and was going by scuttlebutt, maybe that comparison is wrong, I literally could not tell you
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Mantis42 posted:wrong and now you're obligated to watch a 2 hour plus video you fool No im not
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Some Guy TT posted:smdh at that chud shakespeare starting this whole mess by writing hamlet the story which the lion king remakes that most definitely has a story element of comparable importance to the hyenas in lion king the lion king is slander on the norwegians, yes
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loquacius posted:Anyway, I found the post being referenced and nobody ever called it a "remake" of Hamlet (ITT anyway), the word I used was "ripoff," because it did in fact rip off the main plot hook, even if there isn't a Polonius analogue etc etc etc, now can we please not dig up arguments from six months ago at the slightest provocation please i made two perfectly good rashomon posts that you ignored to engage this i only brought it up because it would have felt silly not to when the topics of lion king and shakespearean adaptations came up independently of each other at the same time
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Some Guy TT posted:i made two perfectly good rashomon posts that you ignored to engage this That's not how I remember it
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I've always wondered if somehow a Japanese translation of Ambrose Bierce's "The Moonlit Road" found its way to the author who wrote the story that Rashomon is based on. It's got a very similar structure of multiple perspectives on a murder, including one told via a medium that's supposedly from the ghost of the murder victim. Anyway Red Beard is my favorite Kurosawa film.
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Mine is Stray Dog.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I've always wondered if somehow a Japanese translation of Ambrose Bierce's "The Moonlit Road" found its way to the author who wrote the story that Rashomon is based on. It's got a very similar structure of multiple perspectives on a murder, including one told via a medium that's supposedly from the ghost of the murder victim. yes, akutagawa was very directly inspired by bierce and that story in particular, it's just rashomon that stuck in the public consiousness also crane but they're all naturalists
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I haven't seen Rashomon  My mental association with Kurosawa films is that they're all super long, but it looks like this one clocks in at a cool 88 minutes  though so I'm on board
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Ultra long Kurosawa movies are like 20 minutes longer than marvel sequels Imagine a mcu vhs display wall, nothing but double cassette boxes
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tired: "lion king is an adaptation of hamlet" wired: "a bug's life is an adaptation of 7 samurai"
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loquacius posted:I haven't seen Rashomon yeah def check it out and then think on all the tv shows that did a rashomon episode where the characters remember things different ways i feel like every sit-com with more than 40 episodes has done one
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Some Guy TT posted:but were all just supposed to accept without question that lion king is a remake of hamlet despite having a completely different narrative structure radically different arcs and only three characters with positions even vaguely resembling those of the hamlet equivalents with all of them having completely different personalities and motivation relative to those equivalents scar doesn't drop poison in scar's ear bro! nala doesn't even kill herself!!! simba lives at the end!!
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:tired: "lion king is an adaptation of hamlet" Both true
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:yeah def check it out -Oh, good lord. There's a poison in my brain. -I put it there. -You did? -I slipped it into your ear as a gag. -Pure hilarity!
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To be fair to the lion king, folk tales about the natural world (which seem more like its inspiration than Shakespeare) don't have to apply directly to society. Like, I take the hyena thing more as a comment on ecological balance than race relations. But I've put very little thought into this.
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