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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Jazerus posted:don't recruit apes into your military, imo They are the best, so strong tho
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Dec 4, 2022 15:35
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Vulin posted:Maybe being openly and blatantly betrayed by the US will make some EU countries rethink their position. lol
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Dec 4, 2022 15:39
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keeping track of all the posters who have lost faith in president putin's plan who will need to give him a big apology smooch in a few weeks
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Dec 4, 2022 15:57
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Futanari Damacy posted:Canada has a fake military (as I understand) because there is way larger of a command structure than is technically required for so small a force, basically to help preserve a semblance of national autonomy as opposed to openly acknowledging it is a client state of the US/UK in matters of defense (defence? In Defence Policy this is called Defence Against Help. Defence Against Help encapsulates in shorthand a presumed fundamental fear of successive Canadian governments: if Canada does not provide at least minimum levels of defence against external threats so as not to leave the United States vulnerable, the United States will undertake unilateral actions without consultation and threaten, if not violate, Canada’s sovereignty. In effect, Defence Against Help is supposed to explain Canadian motives in the evolution of the North American defence relationship between Canada and the US and predicts that Canada will do more, rather than less, to guard against “help”. Formally, it's presented by Orvik like this: "The United States’ first reaction would be to expect Canada, as a sovereign nation, to act firmly and effectively to prevent any foreign intruder from gaining control of even the smallest, most desolate part of Canada’s national territory. After all, this is what sovereignty and national security is all about. If Canada did not do so, or even unduly delayed its response, the United States would offer its help in a way that Canada could not refuse" This logic led to the indivisibility of the security of the North American continent from both Canadian and American perspectives. This focused Canadian strategic thinking further: how to contribute to continental defence in a way that satisfies US demands and prevents American infringement upon Canadian sovereignty at minimal costs for Canada. This strategic culture outlasted the Cold War. Long after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the potential consequences of diverging significantly from America’s security expectations are still understood as too great for any Canadian government to contemplate the idea of any radical alteration to the status quo. Indeed, many of the “new” threats identified by the Canadian governments since the 1990s coincide with the threats defined by the United States. The best example of this is that after 9/11, much of Canada’s strategic thinking has focused on avoiding another “9/12”— code for the pain of a severely tightened Canada-US border on which the Canadian economy vastly depends. Looking back at history, however, it is in fact safe to say that “U.S. paranoia about the border” has always kept Canadian elites awake at night, thus influencing every Canadian policy ever made. The Trump administration’s mercantilist attacks at “very unfair” Canadian trade practices could be seen in this context as well. So can Canada's coronavirus response, limiting public health policies against the advice of Public Health officials and counter to public opinion, to instead mirror as closely as possible US policy and keep the border open. Accordingly, the trope that best captures Canada-US relations is “defence against the lock-down”, and then beyond that, Defence Against Help. Cao Ni Ma posted:Canada's military functions like any western military, to serve as a blood tithe whenever the US needs it and in return the US supports them in their neo colonial efforts - or else the US may "help" them in a way indistinguishable from invasion. Turtle Watch posted:I don’t want FF to think I’m trying to bait him into a probe by answering my question about what this joke is so I just looked it up myself: Oh, and the answer is "to Leave an Orc, to Find an Orc, or to Be an Orc" Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 16:20 on Dec 4, 2022 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1599111452329013248?t=cefu8u800zx_t4UBX0Q0vw&s=19 you don't say
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Dec 4, 2022 16:25
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A Bakers Cousin posted:I used to tell this story to describe the military. then caesar ape pushes the button, finds out its bullshit and overthrows the researchers
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Dec 4, 2022 16:27
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https://twitter.com/NieblaGuerra/status/1599079843806662656 oops
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Dec 4, 2022 16:34
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1599111452329013248?t=cefu8u800zx_t4UBX0Q0vw&s=19 Seems hard to make this work. Ukraine wasn't joining NATO before Russia attacked, and they still got invaded. Then a guarantee of not joining NATO was part of the March discussions, and that didn't work. Unless the pain of the conflict has changed Russia's opinion on what is acceptable as a guarantee of compliance with Russia's interests.
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Dec 4, 2022 16:34
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mlmp08 posted:Seems hard to make this work. Ukraine wasn't joining NATO before Russia attacked, and they still got invaded. Then a guarantee of not joining NATO was part of the March discussions, and that didn't work. Unless the pain of the conflict has changed Russia's opinion on what is acceptable as a guarantee of compliance with Russia's interests. ukraine was openly pursuing NATO membership and NATO was explicitly refusing to discuss the possibility of ruling it out
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Dec 4, 2022 16:37
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V. Illych L. posted:ukraine was openly pursuing NATO membership and NATO was explicitly refusing to discuss the possibility of ruling it out I think Russia is bright enough to know Ukraine wasn't going to get into into NATO any time this decade. If you want to stick with proclaimed posturing counts as the Real Reason why the war happened, then Russia also claimed Ukraine isn't a real country and belongs to Russia... By early March, Ukraine was publicly offering a deal to abandon NATO membership. Russia refused, the war continued, now Ukraine has hardened its stance for a variety of reasons. First week of March 2022: quote:In another apparent nod aimed at placating Moscow, Zelensky said he is open to "compromise" on the status of two breakaway pro-Russian territories that President Vladimir Putin recognized as independent just before unleashing the invasion on February 24.
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Dec 4, 2022 16:41
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mlmp08 posted:I think Russia is bright enough to know Ukraine wasn't going to get into into NATO any time this decade. lol
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Dec 4, 2022 16:42
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someone needs to be reminded about the track record of cspam predictions.
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Dec 4, 2022 16:43
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speng31b posted:lol Hey, sometimes Russia, the US and Europe are on the same page about things, and maybe Ukraine got left out of that conversation... E: This war may have accelerated NATO membership rather than delayed it for Ukraine, but there's a lot of uncertainty over the next 12-24 months. mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 16:49 on Dec 4, 2022 |
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Dec 4, 2022 16:47
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Joining NATO is literally in the Ukrainian Constitution
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Dec 4, 2022 16:51
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mlmp08 posted:Seems hard to make this work. Ukraine wasn't joining NATO before Russia attacked, and they still got invaded. Then a guarantee of not joining NATO was part of the March discussions, and that didn't work. Unless the pain of the conflict has changed Russia's opinion on what is acceptable as a guarantee of compliance with Russia's interests. Did Russia break off the talks in March?
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Dec 4, 2022 16:51
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gradenko_2000 posted:Joining NATO is literally in the Ukrainian Constitution so is the first amendment but that gets stepped on all the time
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Dec 4, 2022 16:52
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I guess if the argument is that practically Ukraine was never going to join NATO despite what it says on the tin, then giving up the on-paper claims should be on the table, right?
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Dec 4, 2022 16:55
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genericnick posted:Did Russia break off the talks in March? This avoids my point: For Russia, a guarantee not to be in NATO is not good enough to end the conflict or withdraw. They have demands and aims that go much farther than that, as evidenced by the last 12+ months of activity. We could find out for a fact that God is real, and Ukraine signs a soul-pact with God itself never to join NATO, and that wouldn't satisfy Russia's aims, based on Russia's actions.
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Dec 4, 2022 16:57
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQKdqxCla24
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Dec 4, 2022 17:02
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mlmp08 posted:This avoids my point: For Russia, a guarantee not to be in NATO is not good enough to end the conflict or withdraw. They have demands and aims that go much farther than that, as evidenced by the last 12+ months of activity. Obviously. But Macron is also not talking about NATO membership specifically here, so I don't know what the point is?
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Dec 4, 2022 17:03
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once Russia decided to invade they were going for regime change, neutrality, demilitarization etc. not much ambiguity there. why go to war for less? but you can't use that as an argument that they might not have invaded if Ukraine had backed off on NATO stuff prior to Russia's decision to invade. lolling at "Russia is so big and smart they knew it wasn't real, so it's actually a fake reason". one of the hands down stupidest arguments itt.
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Dec 4, 2022 17:04
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1599111452329013248?t=cefu8u800zx_t4UBX0Q0vw&s=19 Lmao that such an obvious propaganda outlet is losing faith in the economic war.
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Dec 4, 2022 17:05
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speng31b posted:but you can't use that as an argument that they might not have invaded if Ukraine had backed off on NATO stuff prior to Russia's decision to invade. I'm not making that argument. I think Ukraine could have renounced NATO membership forever in February, and they still would have been invaded by Russia, based on all available evidence we have of Russian preparation and goals in the war. NATO guarantees are among several of Russia's goals. It never was the lynchpin on which the war was launched.
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Dec 4, 2022 17:06
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mlmp08 posted:I'm not making that argument. I think Ukraine could have renounced NATO membership forever in February in February it was almost definitely too late, not sure the exact timing at which it would have changed Russian thinking but there's some point at which it would have deescalated
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Dec 4, 2022 17:09
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gradenko_2000 posted:Joining NATO is literally in the Ukrainian Constitution I think joining the EU is in the Turkish one and lol
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Dec 4, 2022 17:09
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mawarannahr posted:I think joining the EU is in the Turkish one and lol At least Turkey is playing from a position of strength right now, unlike Ukraine. Economy aside, but everyone is having some economic trouble right now.
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Dec 4, 2022 17:12
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Lostconfused posted:At least Turkey is playing from a position of strength right now, unlike Ukraine. Economy aside, but everyone is having some economic trouble right now. well, Turkey is having the worst economic troubles my some measures, though I’d rather have economic trouble in turkey than Ukraine even if the latter has better numbers in some way. USAID ftw
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Dec 4, 2022 17:15
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I’m disgusted in the lack of effort from the Russian forces, no pep in their step
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Dec 4, 2022 17:41
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how's the war gone while i awas banned?
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Dec 4, 2022 17:43
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lollontee posted:how's the war gone while i awas banned? Russia hosed up and has to go home
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Dec 4, 2022 17:44
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Nonsense posted:I’m disgusted in the lack of effort from the Russian forces, no pep in their step At this time of year too! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyliXHF9j8
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Dec 4, 2022 17:46
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lollontee posted:how's the war gone while i awas banned? Europe is screaming uncle while Ukriane is screaming blood.
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Dec 4, 2022 17:49
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I think it can be argued that very few countries are acting within their national interests because the ruling class benefits from global supply chains and economic ties. A return to fascism is pretty much guaranteed when they stop seeing those benefits, maybe that's even happening already in the peripheries of the European Union where the local bourgeoisie are getting a smaller share of the pie.
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Dec 4, 2022 17:51
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Lostconfused posted:I think it can be argued that very few countries are acting within their national interests because the ruling class benefits from global supply chains and economic ties. A return to fascism is pretty much guaranteed when they stop seeing those benefits, maybe that's even happening already in the peripheries of the European Union where the local bourgeoisie are getting a smaller share of the pie. It has interesting implications for Defence Against Help because as they weaken their states it opens up the possibility of the US getting involved. I realize elites think they're of no nation, but they're going to find out real quick that the toast of the town in Toronto or Antwerp is not even in the same league as New York or Silicon Valley money.
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Dec 4, 2022 17:53
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mawarannahr posted:Russia hosed up and has to go home harsh. they brought so much to the party, but... they just too drunk
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Dec 4, 2022 17:53
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lollontee posted:how's the war gone while i awas banned? welcome back. were you bongmaster? rip if so that weren't nice. double rip if not also russia did not in fact bring enough to the party
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Dec 4, 2022 17:53
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Cuttlefush posted:welcome back. were you bongmaster? rip if so that weren't nice. double rip if not i am the bongmaster, and gently caress the mods. and yeah now that you mentioned it... what russia brought seemed like it was hueg, but it turns out it was mostly paper mache filled with 20 year old rapists
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Dec 4, 2022 17:59
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huh... Anyway, the issue was also NATO weaponry and support more than simply entry into NATO as well and it was clear that the US was going to seriously start upping military aid. From January 2022: quote:Continued tensions between Ukraine and Russia have led to the U.S. providing 90 tons of military aid that arrived in Ukraine, as roughly 100,000 Russian troops remain stationed along the border. The US had been provoking the Russians for a while, the Russians were just a mark by taking the bait.
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Dec 4, 2022 18:31
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oh i know, but this flood of material aid to THEE ukraine was the least they should've expected in case they failed to end the war in a hurry. idk, seems kinda like a major fail to not plan for that
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