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I just had a thought about something, but someone here has an answer. Is there a reason for why Chinese names are written the way they are in English? For example, why is it "Cao Cao" and not something like "Tsao Tsao" which would be more accurate afaik?
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Nov 3, 2022 11:14
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It's a very long story and a huge can of worms, but the short answer is that the current hanyu pinyin system of romanization (under which we got 'Cao Cao') was developed in the 1950s in China as a government project to create an 'in-house' romanization system, and was heavily exported after that, before eventually being adopted as an international standard in the 1980s. Its usage remains contentious to this day, and there are still people who refuse to use it. As for specific reasons on why that particular spelling was chosen, that's far out of my area of expertise. No romanization system is ever going to be perfect, though.
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Nov 3, 2022 11:40
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Inadequately posted:It's a very long story and a huge can of worms, but the short answer is that the current hanyu pinyin system of romanization (under which we got 'Cao Cao') was developed in the 1950s in China as a government project to create an 'in-house' romanization system, and was heavily exported after that, before eventually being adopted as an international standard in the 1980s. Its usage remains contentious to this day, and there are still people who refuse to use it. I see. I did assume that it was something along those lines. Thanks.
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Nov 3, 2022 11:46
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There's some sounds that just aren't going to be romanized right I think. Sun Quan would be something like Soon Schwen but even that's not right I think?
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Nov 5, 2022 22:30
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Total War Three Kingdoms had native pronunciations for the name and it was wild hearing a name and going 'wait, that's the actual pronunciation?' Happened to me with Sun Jian, Ma Teng (makes sense when you remember who the Ce in Taishi Ce is pronounced though), Dong Zhuo and a few others. Cao Cao, Liu Bei and Yuan Shao ended up being the most straightforward.
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Nov 5, 2022 23:29
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I feel like even within dynasty warriors the pronunciations evolved over time. I could’ve sworn earlier games had “cow cow” and “seema yee” but I could be misremembering I just seem to recall some jokes about the first time “cao pi” shows up, which only work if you pronounce his name wrong (at least, I’m pretty sure that’s wrong)
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Nov 5, 2022 23:50
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Ainsley McTree posted:I feel like even within dynasty warriors the pronunciations evolved over time. I could’ve sworn earlier games had “cow cow” and “seema yee” but I could be misremembering https://youtu.be/uIRRTm65AtA
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Nov 5, 2022 23:56
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cow pee
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Nov 6, 2022 00:15
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I wish I could find the Ro3K translation that westernized everyone's names
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Nov 14, 2022 06:56
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Runa posted:I wish I could find the Ro3K translation that westernized everyone's names I bookmarked it properly last time I asked in this thread because I wanted to see it again lol https://www.e-reading.club/book.php?book=93594 What are the better pre-PS2 ROTK/NA games?
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Nov 14, 2022 08:03
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kirbysuperstar posted:I bookmarked it properly last time I asked in this thread because I wanted to see it again lol lmao thanks
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Nov 14, 2022 08:13
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Jack Trades posted:I just had a thought about something, but someone here has an answer. The principles behind this romanization (Hanyu pinyin) are clarity and consistency. Initials tend to be one letter and are always pronounced the same way. This leads to some unintuitive letter-sound combinations for native western language speakers, but overall pinyin is much easier and smoother to read than prior romanization systems. For example, the older Wade-Giles system would have romanized Cao Cao as "Ts'ao Ts'ao" (representing the initials using ts with apostrophes) which as an individual example may feel more intuitive to you, but it reuses "ts" (without apostrophes) for the sound represented in pinyin by "z" so Zang Ba (pinyin) becomes Tsang Pa (Wade-Giles). Similarly, Zhang Fei would be Chang Fei in Wade-Giles while Chen Gong is Ch'en Kung, again using the same letters with an apostrophe to represent very different sounds. There's also cases where Wade-Giles uses the same letters to represent actually different sounds, e.g. the q in pinyin Da Qiao is a different sound than the ch in pinyin Cheng Pu, but Wade-Giles writes them both with ch' (Ta Ch'iao, Ch'eng P'u). The upshot of all this is that I can glance at a list of pinyin names and instantly know how they are all meant to be pronounced but I always have to do a little mental adjustment when I see Wade-Giles and remember which one is the aspirated vs unaspirated consonant. Pinyin is not perfect but it's a huge improvement over what came before.
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Nov 14, 2022 21:58
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I’ve been playing a bunch of DW3 lately on the Steam Deck. It’s so hard, but it’s great. It’s a lot different because the basic goons can really mess your day up. Just finished Musou mode with Zhao Yun on Normal. That is much harder than it sounds, when you’re starting from scratch.
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Chinook posted:I’ve been playing a bunch of DW3 lately on the Steam Deck. It’s so hard, but it’s great. It’s a lot different because the basic goons can really mess your day up. Just finished Musou mode with Zhao Yun on Normal. That is much harder than it sounds, when you’re starting from scratch. Play an archer or crossbow-heavy level as Xu Zhu or Guan Yu. It's awful. DW3 was peak "Archers are empowered by Satan himself".
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Dec 3, 2022 20:10
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Archers are still probably the main consistent threat in later games too, just never to the level of older games. Usually most noticeable on higher difficulties and it becomes obvious the main thing consistently hurting you is random arrows.
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Dec 3, 2022 21:05
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I got Orochi 3 off the last Steam sale. Mostly enjoying it but I'm running into some weird glitches on my Deck. For one, cutscenes have some audio desync. I've fiddled with some settings but I have no idea how to fix this kind of thing in general. Another is that character's skin tones keep changing? Not sure if it's a quirk of the lighting, but it can range from normal, to ash grey, to sunburn red, to bronze. Mostly seems to happen in cutscenes and cut-ins when you Musou attacks and whatnot. It's very weird. Also Kiyomori is a motherfucker to fight for some reason. Always seems to pop his Musou and take me from zero-to-death in one swoop.
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Dec 3, 2022 21:27
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Alacron posted:Also Kiyomori is a motherfucker to fight for some reason. Always seems to pop his Musou and take me from zero-to-death in one swoop. Himiko will do this too. Saving before fighting unique officers is usually a good idea in the Orochi games, since a lot of fights can turn into rocket tag.
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Dec 4, 2022 01:46
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The scariest thing in DW3 being a bunch of peasants with bows ruled
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Looks like you're chasing Liu Bei from Changban with victory in sight. Whoops, game just spawned some Shu archers.
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Dec 4, 2022 05:04
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5-Headed Snake God posted:Himiko will do this too. Saving before fighting unique officers is usually a good idea in the Orochi games, since a lot of fights can turn into rocket tag. Yeah, I've lost something like 3 stages to Kiyomori, 1 to Himiko, 1 to Masamune, and 1 because I was fiddling with buttons during the stage results screen and accidentally found that pressing Start and Select at the same time soft resets the game 
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Dec 4, 2022 05:09
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Of the Dynasty / Samurai / Orochi games available on PC*, which have good, local co-op? I've been playing musou games for the past couple weeks and my friend was reminiscing about playing through the story modes in the PS2 games through co-op. We tried the PC ports of DW7 and SW5 yesterday and were very discouraged. I'm not sure if it was a technical problem or not, but DW7 felt very unpleasant to control and I think co-op was limited to non-story modes. I remember Conquest mode or whatever it's called was fairly fun, but I'd prefer to play through a coherent story mode with larger missions if possible. SW5 forces you to play a few missions to unlock story mode co-op, after which you play one mission together and then immediately get another mission without co-op. This annoyed us so much that we gave up for the day. At this rate, I'm thinking we'll either give up on the whole project or just run DW3 on an emulator or something. I don't know why Omega Force imposes all these pointless limitations in a series a lot of people have nostalgia for in terms of couch co-op. *I have a PS4, SW4, and WO3. Is local co-op in either of those any good? And while I'm not really interested in any of the anime games, I do have a Switch somewhere so I might consider whichever Hyrule Warriors game is on that. Do they still have all the annoying big monster enemies you have to fight?
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Dec 4, 2022 17:47
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Every few months I think 'should I try Samurai Warriors 5'? I was unimpressed with the demo, and as I look up takes on it, it seems like a serviceable action game but otherwise a step back from what made musou games fun. Is there anything unspoken about SW5 that actually makes it really good? Or is it just okay?
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Dec 4, 2022 18:18
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I've only played SW5 demo but it at least seemed like the game had no dash cancelling and I just cannot play musou games that don't have it anymore. It feels so stiff.
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Dec 4, 2022 18:22
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Morter posted:Every few months I think 'should I try Samurai Warriors 5'? I was unimpressed with the demo, and as I look up takes on it, it seems like a serviceable action game but otherwise a step back from what made musou games fun. Not really. It's one of the better recent musou games by default since almost everything from DW9 until Three Hopes finally righted the ship some is bland or severely lacking in some aspects at best and is Dynasty Warriors 9 at worst and SW5 is a perfectly serviceable bite of some Musou gruel that isn't really bad in any particular way, but if you've got anything left to try from the pre-DW9 era (or have a Switch and access to Three Hopes) I'd play that instead.
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Dec 4, 2022 19:53
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Yeah I've been playing Three Hopes so SW5 would be a bit of a downgrade, it sounds like. Thanks.
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Dec 4, 2022 20:05
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My only issue with SW5 is it definitely feels like 1/3 of a game. I like SW5's take on the Oda story well enough, but you can really feel the lack of Hideyoshi and Tokugawa's campaigns.
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Dec 4, 2022 20:08
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Orb Crabmelt posted:Of the Dynasty / Samurai / Orochi games available on PC*, which have good, local co-op? Orb Crabmelt posted:At this rate, I'm thinking we'll either give up on the whole project or just run DW3 on an emulator or something.  This is always a good option too. Be sure to include the XL expansion!
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Dec 4, 2022 22:25
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What's the DW7 of Samurai Warriors in terms of doing a good job with the narrative across the course of the game?
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Dec 5, 2022 05:32
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Mode 7 posted:What's the DW7 of Samurai Warriors in terms of doing a good job with the narrative across the course of the game? I remember Samurai Warriors 3 having a really good presentation for its overall story. Sucks that it's stuck on the Wii and we never got the 3Z version.
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Dec 5, 2022 05:53
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Samurai Warriors Chronicles 3 might also be worth a look if you don't mind a portable game, and your character being a OC character (both male and female OCs have fun movesets though). The story basically has your character being in Oda, Hideyoshi, and Tokugawa's armies so you get the general gist of the major players. The narrative of Samurai Warriors is a bit less cohesive compared to Dynasty Warriors since 3 and 4 basically added a lot of factions outside of the scope of the 3 Unifiers, so you get a lot of stories that are a bit unrelated to the central story. 4 does give each faction its own story campaign at least. SW1-3 are more character campaigns akin to DW5. Arguably, SW5 tried to do what DW7 did, but like I said, it only focuses on the Oda campaign so it's very limited in scope compared to the other games, and there's a bit too much reuse of clone movesets, as well as stages since there's a lot of shared stages between the Oda side and the Akechi side. But It's a neat mix-up of the Oda story since it's basically Oda starting out like a stock shonen hero before growing into the demon king that he is in the other games.
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Dec 5, 2022 11:42
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Spirit of Sanada told a very good beginning, middle, and end story as well, but of course it's focused around just the one clan (with occasional side stories to cover major events elsewhere). I'm not an expert on this period of history by any means, I primarily know about it from video games really, but it seems like it covers the breadth of the war overall though, starting while shingen takeda is still alive, and ending after sekigahara
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Dec 5, 2022 16:17
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Amusingly, a side effect of Oda Nobunaga as 'stock shonen hero' is Imagawa Yoshimoto going from the intro battle boss to first arc final boss... complete with showing up at the Battle of Nagara River and beating Nobunaga in single combat without backup, leading to Oda Nobuyuki's rebellion after his older brother's retreat.
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Dec 5, 2022 19:55
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 You might say that of all the PS4 games I played this year, SW4 is "unrivaled." 
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Dec 14, 2022 07:04
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Should I platinum SW4 over Christmas if I haven't played SW5 or Spirit of Sanada yet? I think I just have to do every objective on every mission and do every mission with every story mode character.
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Dec 15, 2022 07:09
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Samurai Warriors 5 is on sale on Nintendo Switch, if anyone's on the fence.
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Dec 20, 2022 11:40
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The next Omega Force game is apparently a Fate Stay Night one. It's listed as "Action RPG" so it's either a Warriors or a Nioh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PazfxkDW3RU
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Dec 31, 2022 17:02
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It's a fate game that isn't a vn or gacha therefore I'm interested lol
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Dec 31, 2022 19:18
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An ARPG where you get to command a Servant through a Holy Grail War seems like it could be fun. Yes, I do already know about Fate/Extra (and the Extella sequels), but I don't think that's quite the sort of game I'm thinking of.
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Dec 31, 2022 19:29
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Definitely not a Nioh as that's Team Ninja's domain, but having Shibusawa attached is interesting Maybe closer to P5S?
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We already had a Fate Warriors, it's called Fate/Extella
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